Karlsson Claesson
Ceci Phaneuf
Harpur Chabot
Borowieki Widemman
- spatso

Top 3 things that piss me off about this Methot situation:
3) Chemistry with Karlsson and Team Leader lost
2) You didn't get ANYTHING for him. IF he was traded for at least a 2nd round pick, he could been flipped again by another team (I'm talking last week) but they played a game of bluff and lost. Ceci WITHOUT a doubt should have been moved IMO.
1) People actually think that there's a replacement for Methot (today). You can ONLY play 6 D-men so listed 4 guys outside the big 3 doesn't mean a whole lot to me. Cleasson on the top pair? Are you serious? I can understand if you think he's progressed but FC against Crosby? Mathews? Stamkos?...(should I go on?) This team REALLY benefits from a shutdown guy like Methot

A month ago - 90% of fans are saying "no way Sens loose Methot for nothing". Now that I see it, really wish Dion waived... wonder if he gets taken with all the D-men taken

So why didn't Dory give Vegas the Sens 1st to protect both Methot and Ceci? I'm mean like if Methot was any good or Ceci for that matter! Are they not worth a 1st, or is it just preception? Cause having to pick 28th in a supposed weak draft! this 28th pick prospect MIGHT! play in the nhl?the kid MIGHT! play in3to5 years? So that's it going to cost now to replace Methot? That 1st doesn't have a lot of value on its own!! So a 1st, prospect, and a roster player not named Ryan! you see what I'm saying! Cause before the lost of Methot their was a hole in fill in this line up and those assets could of been used to accomplish that! But now their are two!
- MR.Hunter

Its being reported that Mcphee wanted the 2018 1st plus a prospect. Say they did that and Vegas doesn't take Methot or Ceci. They would of then taken Claessen. So instead of just losing Methot (32y old making 5m) you lose Claessen, a 1st, and a prospect. I think they made the right decision. Going to be frustrating if Vegas flips Methot for something good but it was definitely a tough spot for Dorion.

Its being reported that Mcphee wanted the 2018 1st plus a prospect. Say they did that and Vegas doesn't take Methot or Ceci. They would of then taken Claessen. So instead of just losing Methot (32y old making 5m) you lose Claessen, a 1st, and a prospect. I think they made the right decision. Going to be frustrating if Vegas flips Methot for something good but it was definitely a tough spot for Dorion.
- SENS 613

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few of these GMs who just wouldn't make these kind of deals purely out of principle. Losing a guy for nothing is tough to swallow, but giving up a pick and prospect plus a roster player for basically the hockey equivalent of extortion might have just been too much for some GMs take.

Before crucifying the GM with made-up trade offers and fantasy scenarios, why don't we see what Dorion actually does to address the situation? I'm already tired of people claiming that any kind of reasonable deal was on the table last week, or that it somehow makes more sense to protect a 32yo player in the twilight or their prime, versus a 23yo who's playing a comparable role and just starting to realize their potential.

Seriously, even when Methot was signed at $4.9M/yr, a lot of people criticized the term of the contract because it was for 4 years and would extent until he was 34. Now all of a sudden some people are acting like he's irreplaceable. I mean who knows, maybe Dorion steps up and makes a trade with Vegas to get Methot back, once the market for his true value is established? If Vegas is just looking for assets and value, why not include Dorion in the bidding talks and give him a chance to re-acquire him?

Sad to see Methot go, as much for his personality and community than his on ice play, which if we are all honest will have to start declining soon. PD made the right decision not trading Claessen+1st+whatever else they were asking.
As for the awards, until they make the voting results public, you are bound to get ppl voting as much with their hearts as with their heads, which is evident that many of them voted against points last year, but this year were wowed by points and not defensive play. (For example, I would so love to know who thought Torrey Krug was the 2nd best defensman in the league this season )
If anything, EK came back as an even better player this year after last year's "voting", so I can't wait to see what he brings next season

So why didn't Dory give Vegas the Sens 1st to protect both Methot and Ceci? I'm mean like if Methot was any good or Ceci for that matter! Are they not worth a 1st, or is it just preception? Cause having to pick 28th in a supposed weak draft! this 28th pick prospect MIGHT! play in the nhl?the kid MIGHT! play in3to5 years? So that's it going to cost now to replace Methot? That 1st doesn't have a lot of value on its own!! So a 1st, prospect, and a roster player not named Ryan! you see what I'm saying! Cause before the lost of Methot their was a hole in fill in this line up and those assets could of been used to accomplish that! But now their are two!
- MR.Hunter

Because Vegas wanted the Sens 2018 1st rounder not this years 28th pick.
The Sens would have been beyond stupid to trade next years 1st in order to keep Methot. If the Sens miss the playoffs next yr (entirely possible) then they lose out on a chance for the #1 pick.

Top 3 things that piss me off about this Methot situation:
3) Chemistry with Karlsson and Team Leader lost
2) You didn't get ANYTHING for him. IF he was traded for at least a 2nd round pick, he could been flipped again by another team (I'm talking last week) but they played a game of bluff and lost. Ceci WITHOUT a doubt should have been moved IMO.
1) People actually think that there's a replacement for Methot (today). You can ONLY play 6 D-men so listed 4 guys outside the big 3 doesn't mean a whole lot to me. Cleasson on the top pair? Are you serious? I can understand if you think he's progressed but FC against Crosby? Mathews? Stamkos?...(should I go on?) This team REALLY benefits from a shutdown guy like Methot

A month ago - 90% of fans are saying "no way Sens loose Methot for nothing". Now that I see it, really wish Dion waived... wonder if he gets taken with all the D-men taken
- AlfieisKing

So if they would have traded him last week then they would have lost Claesson or Wideman to Vegas. So great, they have an extra 2nd round pick but they would be down 2 d men.

Methot is a nice player but it's not the end of the world that he is gone.

meh who cares.

Karlsson has already won two Norris trophies. He's regarded as the best if not top 3 damn in the league. Hell likely win one or more down the road. No reason to feel shafted. Burns is a beast. Regardless of this year's winner, Karlsson is an elite superstar and the best in the game. He's the rare player that makes the defensive position an exciting thing.


as for Methot that's a shame. you should have bit the bullet to make that guy ^^ happier.

I don't care too much about the Norris. EK has two of them and will probably win more. Like McDavid said... he'd trade all his personal awards for a Stanley Cup.

I'm still mystified why they didn't go with the 4-4-1 selection though. I would certainly have kept Methot over Dzingel, Smith or Brossard. These are just average joe's that are a dime a dozen. What do they think: that Dzingel is ever going to have more impact than skating really fast up the ice, missing the net and falling over?

I'm pissed off about losing Methot and I don't know if I'm ever going to get over it. It was a really phucking dumb and idiotic thing to do.

So if they would have traded him last week then they would have lost Claesson or Wideman to Vegas. So great, they have an extra 2nd round pick but they would be down 2 d men.

Methot is a nice player but it's not the end of the world that he is gone.
- Stalemate

Or don't trade anyone, just protect 4 D. Going 4-4-1 means they would have lost their 5th best D, or Brassard/Pageau...

Also, I doubt Vegas is asking a 1st and a prospect not to pick Brassard; presumably the price would have been much lower, when looking at what other teams gave up...

Conclusion: complete mismanagement by PD

First, let me say, I think Karlsson is awesome. Probably the best dman in the league right now when accounting for offense and defense. He will likely have a better over all career than Burns.

But Burns was better this one regular season than Karlsson (It was close though). Which is why he won the Norris this one year. And even the players had him in the top 3 for the Lindsey. So don't blame the media for voting for him for the Norris, Even the players thought Burns was better this year.

And if the Norris was awarded for the best defensive dman, Vlasic would have won quite a few by now. Maybe even the years that Karlsson won

Or don't trade anyone, just protect 4 D. Going 4-4-1 means they would have lost their 5th best D, or Brassard/Pageau...

Also, I doubt Vegas is asking a 1st and a prospect not to pick Brassard; presumably the price would have been much lower, when looking at what other teams gave up...

Conclusion: complete mismanagement by PD
- AllKnowingSensFan

For all we know, Melnyk saw an easy excuse to save $5m a year and told Dorian to let it happen. Any time Ottawa sheds salary there's a decent chance Melnyk had something to do with it.

Or don't trade anyone, just protect 4 D. Going 4-4-1 means they would have lost their 5th best D, or Brassard/Pageau...

Also, I doubt Vegas is asking a 1st and a prospect not to pick Brassard; presumably the price would have been much lower, when looking at what other teams gave up...

Conclusion: complete mismanagement by PD
- AllKnowingSensFan

Methot is easier to replace than Pageau or Brassard.

Or don't trade anyone, just protect 4 D. Going 4-4-1 means they would have lost their 5th best D, or Brassard/Pageau...

Also, I doubt Vegas is asking a 1st and a prospect not to pick Brassard; presumably the price would have been much lower, when looking at what other teams gave up...

Conclusion: complete mismanagement by PD
- AllKnowingSensFan

Seeing what they got for centres, it would have been Brasssard .... so who do you want to lose ..... a 1A/B centre, or a 3/4 calibre Dman, who plays a #2 due to chemistry.....

when I started looking at it this way, the loss of Methot became more palatable.... as much as I hated to see him go.

Hey Prock!

You still owe me money big guy....
- riceroni

$50 donation I believe.

Yeah, I took a long break off the site around that time. Wedding, honeymoon. I don't think I was on here for about 6 months or so.

Knocked the women up, so....... I could become scarce around here again, in roughly about 3 months.

Weren't you getting locked down as well around then?

Or don't trade anyone, just protect 4 D. Going 4-4-1 means they would have lost their 5th best D, or Brassard/Pageau...

Also, I doubt Vegas is asking a 1st and a prospect not to pick Brassard; presumably the price would have been much lower, when looking at what other teams gave up...

Conclusion: complete mismanagement by PD
- AllKnowingSensFan

I want the Leafs to go after Methot.

I'm hearing rumours they just picked up colin miller though???

I want the Leafs to go after Methot.

I'm hearing rumours they just picked up colin miller though???
- prock

Because you like him, or to stick it to the Sens?

Or a bit of both maybe?

Because you like him, or to stick it to the Sens?

Or a bit of both maybe?
- david22

I think he's done a hell of a job taking the bulk of the defensive work for his pairing for years. He seems to let players that focus on offense do that. We've got two guys, Rielly and Gardiner, that could probably seriously benefit from that. Rielly has been put in the position to take on the hardest matchups for 2 years now. He's doing it, sometimes more effectively than others, and it's probably been a phenomenal learning experience, but it's not his forte.

They're all left shots, but if any of them are flexible in that, and can play the right, I'd love to see if he can help stabilize those guys. It would make for two extremely effective pairings, Rielly/Zaitsev, Gardiner/Methot, or something of that ilk. Two pairings with guys that complement each other very well.

The fact that it would be sticking it to the turds would be icing on the cake.

I've always thought he'd be a great addition. Low key, just does his job, very dependable. That kind of dman goes a long way towards stabilizing an entire defense.

I want the Leafs to go after Methot.

I'm hearing rumours they just picked up colin miller though???
- prock

Colin Miller is the better option at his age and money.

Somebody is going to be surprised to discover that the. Mark Methot playing without Karlsson is very different then the Methot that plays with most gifted Dman in the NHL.

Remember the anguish when Filip Kuba was moved. Apparently Karlsson likes playing with Claesson.....so, that is good enough for me.

I think he's done a hell of a job taking the bulk of the defensive work for his pairing for years. He seems to let players that focus on offense do that. We've got two guys, Rielly and Gardiner, that could probably seriously benefit from that. Rielly has been put in the position to take on the hardest matchups for 2 years now. He's doing it, sometimes more effectively than others, and it's probably been a phenomenal learning experience, but it's not his forte.

They're all left shots, but if any of them are flexible in that, and can play the right, I'd love to see if he can help stabilize those guys. It would make for two extremely effective pairings, Rielly/Zaitsev, Gardiner/Methot, or something of that ilk. Two pairings with guys that complement each other very well.

The fact that it would be sticking it to the turds would be icing on the cake.

I've always thought he'd be a great addition. Low key, just does his job, very dependable. That kind of dman goes a long way towards stabilizing an entire defense.
- prock

$5m a year, 32 years of age.

It is a lot for a player that does not have any puck handling skill although his skating is very good.

$5m a year, 32 years of age.

It is a lot for a player that does not have any puck handling skill although his skating is very good.
- spatso

He would come reasonably cheap I expect.

I believe the Phaneuf/Methot juggling on the expansion draft has always been about cap space.

I believe the Sens want to add a large piece up front and all the posturing has been about creating a $6m cap space.

Ederle going to NYI makes me wonder on who and/or where Colorado players land. I have heard that Duchene,

He would come reasonably cheap I expect.
- prock

I actually think if teams wait a month the price will come down on most of these assets. It is no accident the best assets came from the 4 Conference finalists.

I actually think if teams wait a month the price will come down on most of these assets. It is no accident the best assets came from the 4 Conference finalists.
- spatso

I don't think the best assets came from the 4 conference finalists at all.

I do'nt think Methot is one of the best assets there. I just think he's one that fits the Leafs needs.

I don't even know about MAF either (as in, one of the best assets). They may be the most important position to a team, but the goalie market is fickle, and I don't know he'd be up there in terms of value.

Shea Theodore is the number one asset in my books.

$5m a year, 32 years of age.

It is a lot for a player that does not have any puck handling skill although his skating is very good.
- spatso

i think he would fit in very well on the leafs.

And unless im mistaken, his contract comes off the books when most big raises are due.