I forgot to mention that if this is the end of your career Hoss then thank you for being a class act and a great player and I would expect a first round HOF induction

it's too bad we can't go back in time and force the Blackhawks to make the Hossa contract an 8 year 58 million dollar deal for a cap hit of 7.25 mil a year instead of the 12 year 62 million dollar deal with a 5.2 mil cap hit that the league let the Hawks get away with all these years.

it's bullpoop
- jimbo83

Maybe know the facts before making an ignorant post. In 2009 when the contract was signed it was approved by the league. Then when the new CBA was put in place the recapture penalty was added. Changing rules to existing contacts is what is bs.

Maybe know the facts before making an ignorant post. In 2009 when the contract was signed it was approved by the league. Then when the new CBA was put in place the recapture penalty was added. Changing rules to existing contacts is what is bs.
- MansonFan

Thank YOU!!! This was a source of my ire and certainly Powerenforcer level stuff. The Hawks and a few other teams got retroactively punished for playing by the rules under a previous CBA. It made no sense those players were not grand-fathered in and I can't understand why the Hawks didn't fight it.

EVERY TEAM had EVERY right to sign players to 10-15 year contracts. It was within the rules.

So they changed the rules and then retroactively punished a team....

SO STUPID. That is like when prohibition happened in this nation, arresting someone who had taken a drink before prohibition was instituted.

Cant say enough about what 81 has brought to this organization. A great person to the fans in Chicago and most importantly, a guy whose effort could never be questioned. I watched a replay of a few of the games from the St. Louis series in 16', the guy was the best player on the ice in a Hawks sweater. Truly a gift to watch!

Hossa was one of my favorite players in the NHL, guy was a stud. Going to miss watching that guy.

Hall of Famer all the way

That could still happen. Not super likely, but not out of the realm of possibility.

I think some fans really need to wrap their heads around the concept of RETURN in a trade.

If Bowman makes any trades this summer, they will be more of the value for value variety that Hawk fans have not seen from this management team, as opposed to selling salaries off for draft picks, which they have.

Draft picks don't help the hawks next season, and that's what it's all about today, tomorrow, the rest of the summer.
- John Jaeckel

And since they aren't bent over the cap they should be able to stretch value.

I still think they need to get deeper up the middle and they don't have the assets or futures to replace a player like Hossa so they will need to move a core piece + to back fill appropriately.

Sucks to be Bowman this summer. Loses if "we like our team" and loses if "trades whomever."

Should make for a crazy weeks end though. Heck, with the right moves they can have a better roster than last year and end up well under the cap.

Thank YOU!!! This was a source of my ire and certainly Powerenforcer level stuff. The Hawks and a few other teams got retroactively punished for playing by the rules under a previous CBA. It made no sense those players were not grand-fathered in and I can't understand why the Hawks didn't fight it.

EVERY TEAM had EVERY right to sign players to 10-15 year contracts. It was within the rules.

So they changed the rules and then retroactively punished a team....

SO STUPID. That is like when prohibition happened in this nation, arresting someone who had taken a drink before prohibition was instituted.
- kwolf68

A Pens fan should know about those deals - Crosby is technically signed to one.

Also, fans of other teams are missing a big point: Hossa is more valuable than cap space and it will be difficult, possibly impossible, to replace what he brings to the team with whatever space they've freed.

When Hossa lowered his shoulder - A Tribute:

That could still happen. Not super likely, but not out of the realm of possibility.

I think some fans really need to wrap their heads around the concept of RETURN in a trade.

If Bowman makes any trades this summer, they will be more of the value for value variety that Hawk fans have not seen from this management team, as opposed to selling salaries off for draft picks, which they have.

Draft picks don't help the hawks next season, and that's what it's all about today, tomorrow, the rest of the summer.
- John Jaeckel

I would not be opposed to doing a retool year. A year without 'One Goal' banging the drum all the way to a collapse in the first round at the hands of a team with any depth.

The Penguins had to gut out guys before they finally figured it out. Oprik, Neal, Niskanen, Dupuis, Martin, Perron, and Sutter all had to go before they got back to the Cup. For us that doesn't seem like much but for a Pitt fan that had to be tough seeing longtime vets or promising younger guys go.

Maybe the Hawks move one or two of AA, Crawford (NMC), Seabrook, Panarin, Panik and try to come back in 2018 with a new lineup.

This lineup right now will be a Wild Card team at best, but obviously that will change in the next week. I know management will never go for a 'down' year, but as of now we're in for a lackluster year anyway.

Mark Lazerus has an article about "The Gunk" which is what it was called in the 70's. Go read it. It's interesting and horrible. Besides the actual rash, getting too many cortisone and steroid shots can be a real problem. So, it's actually two-fold. Rash and meds.
- CanOCorn

http://www.lockerroomdoct...k-a-virulent-oozing-rash/

Maybe know the facts before making an ignorant post. In 2009 when the contract was signed it was approved by the league. Then when the new CBA was put in place the recapture penalty was added. Changing rules to existing contacts is what is bs.
- MansonFan

Blackhawks agreed the rule change was fair, they signed onto the CBA like everyone else. More importantly, they had the option to get from the contract if the cap re-capture penalties weren't worth it to them. They choose to keep the contract knowing the penalties were part of that.

Geez, just please take the time to read the complete statement before commenting:

https://www.nhl.com/black...-marian-hossa/c-290029810

Blackhawks agreed the rule change was fair, they signed onto the CBA like everyone else. More importantly, they had the option to get from the contract if the cap re-capture penalties weren't worth it to them. They choose to keep the contract knowing the penalties were part of that.
- Antilles

Doesn't make it less shady to punish people for signing perfectly legal contracts.

Under what circumstances could Hawks not be worse off (on-the-ice) in 2017-18?

Blackhawks agreed the rule change was fair, they signed onto the CBA like everyone else. More importantly, they had the option to get from the contract if the cap re-capture penalties weren't worth it to them. They choose to keep the contract knowing the penalties were part of that.
- Antilles

My guess is they may have had an understanding with the league (see Pronger shenanigans).

"While I am disappointed that I will not be able to play, I have to consider the severity of my condition and how the treatments have impacted my life both on and off the ice."

Found this part of his statement very interesting. Some of these medications are dangerous to family members that have physical contact with the person being treated as well.

Thank YOU!!! This was a source of my ire and certainly Powerenforcer level stuff. The Hawks and a few other teams got retroactively punished for playing by the rules under a previous CBA. It made no sense those players were not grand-fathered in and I can't understand why the Hawks didn't fight it.

EVERY TEAM had EVERY right to sign players to 10-15 year contracts. It was within the rules.

So they changed the rules and then retroactively punished a team....

SO STUPID. That is like when prohibition happened in this nation, arresting someone who had taken a drink before prohibition was instituted.
- kwolf68

Ex Post Facto

Under what circumstances could Hawks not be worse off (on-the-ice) in 2017-18?
- phantasmo

Package Panarin + Prospects for a package of NHL players

Off topic, the Pokka negotiation is to get him under contract and trade him. He will not be a Hawk the end of the week.

Yesterday George McPhee revealed that he would be drafting a lot of defenseman for the purpose of trading them. Expect Pokka to be moved in a trade similar to Mark McNeil. Pokka goes with a draft pick for depth and a future asset to Vegas for a defenseman that can help now.

That could still happen. Not super likely, but not out of the realm of possibility.

I think some fans really need to wrap their heads around the concept of RETURN in a trade.

If Bowman makes any trades this summer, they will be more of the value for value variety that Hawk fans have not seen from this management team, as opposed to selling salaries off for draft picks, which they have.

Draft picks don't help the hawks next season, and that's what it's all about today, tomorrow, the rest of the summer.
- John Jaeckel

I'm afraid that Bowman's concept of the value of Panarin, a scoring machine in the 99.98/99.99 percentile in the league is going to be dramatically disappointing. Especially now that that line of Panarin Kane and Anisimov with it's proven chemistry has become even more important to the well-being of the team given the loss of Hossa. Why would Stan want to gamble that away? Stan knows that if they bring a guy who has 30 goals on another team it absolutely does not guarantee those goals will happen in Chicago. So he should trade a near sure thing for a crapshoot? Really bad idea.

Off topic, the Pokka negotiation is to get him under contract and trade him. He will not be a Hawk the end of the week.

Yesterday George McPhee revealed that he would be drafting a lot of defenseman for the purpose of trading them. Expect Pokka to be moved in a trade similar to Mark McNeil. Pokka goes with a draft pick for depth and a future asset to Vegas for a defenseman that can help now.
- Omahawk

And that's a wrap on the leddy trade.

If they can get a 3rd round pick for him I'd consider that a win at this point. Sorry as the Hawks D-prospects are, Pokka hasn't been able to reach up and claim a spot. Though rumors of injury persist, but I hate speculative explanations based off injury.

Same condition that brought premature end to career of former #Preds D Jan Vopat in 1999-2000. He's now Blues' Head of European Scouting.I

Off topic, the Pokka negotiation is to get him under contract and trade him. He will not be a Hawk the end of the week.

Yesterday George McPhee revealed that he would be drafting a lot of defenseman for the purpose of trading them. Expect Pokka to be moved in a trade similar to Mark McNeil. Pokka goes with a draft pick for depth and a future asset to Vegas for a defenseman that can help now.
- Omahawk

That would be great!

And that's a wrap on the leddy trade.

If they can get a 3rd round pick for him I'd consider that a win at this point. Sorry as the Hawks D-prospects are, Pokka hasn't been able to reach up and claim a spot. Though rumors of injury persist, but I hate speculative explanations based off injury.
- kwolf68

Agreed, Pokka is just plain not good. No team is foolish enough for us to foist him on someone else. Dylan Olsen 2.0

I'm afraid that Bowman's concept of the value of Panarin, a scoring machine in the 99.98/99.99 percentile in the league is going to be dramatically disappointing. Especially now that that line of Panarin Kane and Anisimov with it's proven chemistry has become even more important to the well-being of the team given the loss of Hossa. Why would Stan want to gamble that away? Stan knows that if they bring a guy who has 30 goals on another team it absolutely does not guarantee those goals will happen in Chicago. So he should trade a near sure thing for a crapshoot? Really bad idea.
- Savoy

Wherever he ends up (doubt he's moved, but who knows) you can start his fan club for him there. Maybe get him some vitamins so he doesn't get tired.

The guy has had gravy line his 2 years in Chicago. I always wondered why they never moved him to help balance things out. If we was SO DAMN GOOD then put him with Toews, but we never really saw that. They always kept him tied to Kane.

But in your mind he's actually BETTER than Kane.