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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 21 @ 10:38 PM ET
The Wild trade Dumba before the freeze if Vegas don't agree to this deal.

Strong arming doesn't work as a negotiation tactic when the other party has 29 other teams to deal with.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Jun 21 @ 10:40 PM ET
And thorough.
- hereticpride

the dude needs to see the DR
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 21 @ 10:41 PM ET
Then take Eric Staal and flip him for a low 1st or something at the deadline. Take Scandella.

Maybe maybe not. Trades for these guys aren't always so easy, especially with teams needing slots already.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 21 @ 10:42 PM ET
As of right now Vegas' top line would likely be Perron Marchessault Neal. Yikes.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 21 @ 10:43 PM ET
It's the rules! If other GMs don't get it, put yourself in better positions or make a better (frank)ing offer. If they get upset, they're female doges. It isn't Vegas who should have to bend over backwards to appease THEM.
- Mononoke


I hear you, brother. They took 15 defensemen, of which I would want exactly three -- Methot, Theodore and Schmidt

Depending on my cap situation and my top 4, I could squint real hard and maybe find a spot for Garrison or Sbisa. One or the other, not both
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 21 @ 10:43 PM ET
As of right now Vegas' top line would likely be Perron Marchessault Neal. Yikes.
- hereticpride

with 18 goals last year apparently Perron "knows how to score"
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 21 @ 10:43 PM ET


Mason was really telling in one of his last post game interviews. Basically acknowledged he plays better when he's "the guy". That doesn't fly when you've got a slew of goalie prospects to give a shot over the next couple years. Also doesn't help when your game is wildly inconsistent.

- hereticpride

it's just bs and excuses
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 21 @ 10:44 PM ET
just remember this
not even vegas wanted mason
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 21 @ 10:46 PM ET
As of right now Vegas' top line would likely be Perron Marchessault Neal. Yikes.
- hereticpride


Neal-Shipachyov-Smith
Perron-Haula-Marchessault
Karlsson-Eakin-Tuch
Carrier-Lindberg-Bellemare
Leipsic, Nosek

And that's before any more free agent signings and before trading half a dozen dmen.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 21 @ 10:46 PM ET
The Wild trade Dumba before the freeze if Vegas don't agree to this deal.

Strong arming doesn't work as a negotiation tactic when the other party has 29 other teams to deal with.

- Feanor


True, they could, but then you not only lose Dumba (though you maybe get something in return that doesn't need to be protected) but you lose another asset to Vegas

You certainly have a point, but you gotta get more from the Wild than Erik Haula
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 21 @ 10:47 PM ET
ok who's making predictions on Vegas wins next season?
20? +/- 4?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 21 @ 10:47 PM ET
True, they could, but then you not only lose Dumba (though you maybe get something in return that doesn't need to be protected) but you lose another asset
to Vegas

You certainly have a point, but you gotta get more from the Wild than Erik Haula

- AllInForFlyers


They got that Tuch guy who was picked one spot after Sanheim. Maybe they really like him.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 21 @ 10:48 PM ET
Neal-Shipachyov-Smith
- Feanor


Gusev - Shipachyov - Dadonov

edit: wouldn't be surprised if Kovalchuk ends up there, too. SKA Las Vegas.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 21 @ 10:48 PM ET
ok who's making predictions on Vegas wins next season?
20? +/- 4?

- 2Real


A little too soon to say just yet...gotta see who they flip and get back, if anyone
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 21 @ 10:48 PM ET
Neal-Shipachyov-Smith
- Feanor

really? I thought vegas was going to move Engelland to forward after their hype and roll
Engelland Thorburn PEB
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 21 @ 10:49 PM ET
They got that Tuch guy who was picked one spot after Sanheim. Maybe they really like him.
- Feanor


True, and if they're lucky maybe he scores some goals for them quickly
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 21 @ 10:54 PM ET
LV tryna win 15 games this year.

Maybe we should trade #2 for #6, 13, and an unprotected 2018 1st
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 21 @ 11:01 PM ET
What are we going to trade to get him back!

(frank) that fool and the idiot coach that loves him.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 21 @ 11:06 PM ET
I for one liked PEB. Sad to see him go.

Is it going to devastate the team? Of course not. But I liked him.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 21 @ 11:09 PM ET
I for one liked PEB. Sad to see him go.

Is it going to devastate the team? Of course not. But I liked him.

- Giroux_Is_God

Same.

For an undrafted free agent he did pretty well while he was here. Can't complain with the loss though. Look at what the Isles and Jackets gave up. Yikes.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 21 @ 11:09 PM ET
I for one liked PEB. Sad to see him go.

Is it going to devastate the team? Of course not. But I liked him.

- Giroux_Is_God

You've gone soft on me pharmacy man.

PEB seemed like a nice dude. I just didn't like that he always got so much PK time and damnit he was basically a lock to play every night.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:09 PM ET
ok who's making predictions on Vegas wins next season?
20? +/- 4?

- 2Real

They play the Canucks and Yotes in that division enough for me to take the over
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 21 @ 11:10 PM ET
So, OK. Flyers as they stand with just the guys they currently have under contract that we know of:

Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
Weise-Couturier-Schenn
TK-Filppula-Simmonds
Read-Vecchione-Laughton

Prospect who could make it: Lindblom
UFA could return: Weal

Defense
MacDonald-Provorov
Ghost-Gudas
Manning-Hagg/Morin/Myers

Goalies
Neuvirth
Stolarz

OK. I'll ask. Gut feeling.

They go into October with this roster. Do you make the playoffs?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 21 @ 11:13 PM ET
So, OK. Flyers as they stand with just the guys they currently have under contract that we know of:

Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
Weise-Couturier-Schenn
TK-Filppula-Simmonds
Read-Vecchione-Laughton

Prospect who could make it: Lindblom
UFA could return: Weal

Defense
MacDonald-Provorov
Ghost-Gudas
Manning-Hagg/Morin/Myers

Goalies
Neuvirth
Stolarz

OK. I'll ask. Gut feeling.

They go into October with this roster. Do you make the playoffs?

- AllInForFlyers


The goaltending will be the undoing. Neuvirth is no starter. It should be Stolarz playing 20 and Mason 60. I also don't want to hold my breath and say Provorov will have such a dominant season again. He may, but he's still a kid and a bit of a 2nd year struggle wouldn't be out of the question imo.

Morin and Hagg need to play opening night. I want Sanheim or Myers by mid season. I hope they make the playoffs, but it's time to let the kids play and give them some good minutes.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 21 @ 11:17 PM ET
Same.

For an undrafted free agent he did pretty well while he was here. Can't complain with the loss though. Look at what the Isles and Jackets gave up. Yikes.

- hereticpride

Florida too
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