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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 6:30 PM ET
Overall
- Nucker101


I like Elias Pettersson by a small margin
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 21 @ 6:30 PM ET
What is hockeeeyyyiinsiider reporting?
- flyerfan28

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 21 @ 6:32 PM ET
I like Elias Pettersson by a small margin
- ob18

10th overall for me
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 21 @ 6:34 PM ET
Did you see Florida is working out a deal with Vegas to have them possibly take both Marchessault AND Smith? After protecting Bjugstad's corpse? I love that.

Sheriff Tallon is back in town.

- Mononoke


I bet, in his mind, he thinks he's selling high on Marchessault
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 21 @ 6:36 PM ET
I like the LV jerseys... just sayen
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 21 @ 6:37 PM ET
I love beets so I'm unsure how to take this
- arichardson22

Who the hell knew hockey fan were also crazy@ss beet lovers.

Knowledge
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 21 @ 6:39 PM ET
I bet, in his mind, he thinks he's selling high on Marchessault
- PhillySportsGuy


Smith too is a very strong possession player good for 45-50 normally. Those are two top 6 pieces an expansion team just might add like that. Those are mid 20s pieces to build around.

But I also read they may be working something for Galchenyuk -- Florida that is. But they'll still lose Marchessault likely to protected Bjugstad, Dale Tallon's first ever draft pick who he signed to a 6 year deal and who has had serious injury issues. I'm sure that was an objective decision.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 6:40 PM ET
Everyone have their pitchforks for tomorrow?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 21 @ 6:47 PM ET
Smith too is a very strong possession player good for 45-50 normally. Those are two top 6 pieces an expansion team just might add like that. Those are mid 20s pieces to build around.

But I also read they may be working something for Galchenyuk -- Florida that is. But they'll still lose Marchessault likely to protected Bjugstad, Dale Tallon's first ever draft pick who he signed to a 6 year deal and who has had serious injury issues. I'm sure that was an objective decision.

- Mononoke


I could imagine them taking a step back (or just being mediocre again) next year and it resulting in a panic move. I'd definitely be keeping an eye on them as the season progresses.

I guess you could kind of call this a panic move, but I see this as more of a cleansing of the previous regime move.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 6:47 PM ET
Who the hell knew hockey fan were also crazy@ss beet lovers.

Knowledge

- mayorofangrytown


Don't beet yourself up about it
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 21 @ 6:48 PM ET
Don't beet yourself up about it
- arichardson22


Beet me to it
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 21 @ 6:49 PM ET
(frank)ing hilarious too that VGK are taking Reinhart from Edmonton. After all they riskily and stupidly gave up to trade for him (16th+33rd), he still has yet to establish himself in the NHL, and then they lose him for nothing.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 6:49 PM ET
Beet me to it
- funmaster18


let's keep this beet going
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 21 @ 6:50 PM ET
If -- and I repeat IF -- the Flyers move down, I likely wouldn't lose my poop mainly because Hextall understands the value of assets

I don't always love his idea of free agency, but by and large, the dude knows what stuff is worth in draft value

I'm not scared to move down. The Flyers' No. 1 centers -- very good players, all -- since 2008 have been some combination of Claude Giroux, Mike Richards and Jeff Carter

None of whom were Top 10 picks, all of whom have multiple 70-plus point seasons and/or All-Star game appearances, with Giroux being a Hart finalist
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 21 @ 6:50 PM ET
Did you see Florida is working out a deal with Vegas to have them possibly take both Marchessault AND Smith? After protecting Bjugstad's corpse? I love that.

Sheriff Tallon is back in town.

- Mononoke


Smith's got that big contract, too.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 21 @ 6:52 PM ET
I could imagine them taking a step back (or just being mediocre again) next year and it resulting in a panic move. I'd definitely be keeping an eye on them as the season progresses.

I guess you could kind of call this a panic move, but I see this as more of a cleansing of the previous regime move.

- PhillySportsGuy


McKenzie confirmed both Smith/Marchy going to VGK. Awesome move by Vegas. Maybe they have a second deal involved for one of them. I'd love to see how little they traded them for.

It's definitely more an asserting-his-power move than panic move. But doesn't prohibit it from being a dumb move. Tallon is a mediocre GM often trapped in the past, so no surprise. He didn't sign Smith. He didn't sign Marchy, and a 5'8 forward is probably nothing to him.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 21 @ 6:54 PM ET
McKenzie confirmed both Smith/Marchy going to VGK. Awesome move by Vegas. Maybe they have a second deal involved for one of them. I'd love to see how little they traded them for.

It's definitely more an asserting-his-power move than panic move. But doesn't prohibit it from being a dumb move. Tallon is a mediocre GM often trapped in the past, so no surprise. He didn't sign Smith. He didn't sign Marchy, and a 5'8 forward is probably nothing to him.

- Mononoke


But he acquired Smith, though, right? Wasn't that him?
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 21 @ 6:56 PM ET
If -- and I repeat IF -- the Flyers move down, I likely wouldn't lose my poop mainly because Hextall understands the value of assets

I don't always love his idea of free agency, but by and large, the dude knows what stuff is worth in draft value

I'm not scared to move down. The Flyers' No. 1 centers -- very good players, all -- since 2008 have been some combination of Claude Giroux, Mike Richards and Jeff Carter

None of whom were Top 10 picks, all of whom have multiple 70-plus point seasons and/or All-Star game appearances, with Giroux being a Hart finalist

- AllInForFlyers



I can't wait for Little Missanelli to come in here and tell you what a company man you are.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 21 @ 6:57 PM ET
McKenzie confirmed both Smith/Marchy going to VGK. Awesome move by Vegas. Maybe they have a second deal involved for one of them. I'd love to see how little they traded them for.

It's definitely more an asserting-his-power move than panic move. But doesn't prohibit it from being a dumb move. Tallon is a mediocre GM often trapped in the past, so no surprise. He didn't sign Smith. He didn't sign Marchy, and a 5'8 forward is probably nothing to him.

- Mononoke

NHL is the closest thing we have to Jurassic Park
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 21 @ 6:59 PM ET
Smith's got that big contract, too.
- Feanor


Big? Eh, maybe $0.5 mil overpaid. Two of the last 4 years he's hit 50 points, and he's a strong possession player regardless. Coming off a down year, but that team was pretty messy and had issues scoring. 4 years x $5mil for a 26 year old in his prime doesn't seem all that big to me for a still good player. Likely he averages out as a 45 point guy.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 21 @ 7:00 PM ET
(frank)ing hilarious too that VGK are taking Reinhart from Edmonton. After all they riskily and stupidly gave up to trade for him (16th+33rd), he still has yet to establish himself in the NHL, and then they lose him for nothing.
- Mononoke

Joke is on Vegas really. Although there is probably some GM out there that still thinks they can make him a good defenseman
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 21 @ 7:01 PM ET
I can't wait for Little Missanelli to come in here and tell you what a company man you are.
- Doc_Sarcasm


LOL

It's just that at some point, yes, somebody can offer you enough to move down

I mean, seriously -- JVR was No. 2 in 2007. Voracek was, what, 7 or 8?

Honestly, they're pretty much the same player, right? Roughly the same value?

There's risk in everything you do. So yeah, the No. 2 pick could be amazing and if you move down, you could look bad

But at the same time, yeah, there's got to be a package that gets Hextall to "yes". You were picking 13th at season's end. You can't be sitting there thinking you were gonna get the No. 2 pick. It's house money, and you can either make the pick or see if somebody gives you enough to get to yes
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 21 @ 7:02 PM ET
But he acquired Smith, though, right? Wasn't that him?
- AllInForFlyers


Yeah, with Savard's contract for Jimmy Hayes (lol). But he chose Bjugstad to protect, like I said he's a player with a lot of history with him. Coming off a 14 point in 54 game season and some real bad head/back injuries, signed for 4 years @ $4.1 mil per. That is scary, and he chose him over both.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 7:03 PM ET
10th overall for me
- Nucker101


he and Glass and more or less tie for me
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 21 @ 7:04 PM ET
Yeah, with Savard's contract for Jimmy Hayes (lol). But he chose Bjugstad to protect, like I said he's a player with a lot of history with him. Coming off a 14 point in 54 game season and some real bad head/back injuries, signed for 4 years @ $4.1 mil per. That is scary, and he chose him over both.
- Mononoke


No, absolutely -- what you said was on point. Just was clarifying, because I thought Tallon was the one who snagged him
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