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nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jun 21 @ 1:30 PM ET
So Grant McCagg just tweeted the following

"I can't shake the feeling that Philly will do some dealing with Vegas & others.. end up with the 6th pick & 3 first rounders by draft day"

I asked for clarification on twitter, and he said 3 total firsts, then went on to say he believes Glass could be a top line center... the more I think about this, the more I would be ok with this going down.

Thoughts.

- flyers4487



seriously if they move 2 for 6 and a goalie, my love affair with Hextall will be done when they could have just kept Mason.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:30 PM ET
I think that's kind of a silly question. The point is there is no "fair value" the only way I'd move that pick is for a clear overpayment.
- Mordecai


Exactly. You don't trade it for fair value.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 21 @ 1:31 PM ET
Still not enough for me
- Mordecai



But we agree.

It needs to be a complete overpayment
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 1:31 PM ET
So Grant McCagg just tweeted the following

"I can't shake the feeling that Philly will do some dealing with Vegas & others.. end up with the 6th pick & 3 first rounders by draft day"

I asked for clarification on twitter, and he said 3 total firsts, then went on to say he believes Glass could be a top line center... the more I think about this, the more I would be ok with this going down.


nooooooope
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 21 @ 1:32 PM ET
Just curious if you were in Hextall's position and a team (your pick) offered you a package (reasonable, not McDavid and 5 1sts) for the #2...

What kind of package would you think be a tough call, but in the end you would say I would be nuts not to accept?

Again just curious, not trying to MJL you.

- Glak18


If we're talking Vegas, it would take multiple 1sts -- like 6th-overall + 15th-overall + their 1st from next year.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 1:32 PM ET
only because you asked so nicely
- Mordecai

Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:33 PM ET
If someone promotes Suzuki as better than Patrick he quietly gets fired before July 1.

If they trade back even a couple picks they had better be right about the player they select because that's the kind of move that could be career ending.

- mayorofangrytown


That's why my preference is to stay at #2 and make the pick. After Patrick however, my 2 preferred centers would be Glass and Suzuki.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:33 PM ET
If we're talking Vegas, it would take multiple 1sts -- like 6th-overall + 15th-overall + their 1st from next year.
- Tomahawk

1st next year would be top 5 for sure we should do it
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:33 PM ET
I think that's kind of a silly question. The point is there is no "fair value" the only way I'd move that pick is for a clear overpayment.
- Mordecai


Not really silly at all, but what is that line of overpayment?

3 1st round picks? So you may get 3 potential good players for 1 potential great one, is that really overpayment? All depends on who's 1st round picks they are and where they end up being. I would rather have Nico or Nolan over 3 picks in the 20s.

For me unless a prospect/young player the level of a Marner is included with a pick or two it's not overpayment enough. Vegas doesn't have the assets to really get a real perspective of a package, which is why I asked for any team to gauge judgement.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 21 @ 1:34 PM ET
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 21 @ 1:35 PM ET
Not really silly at all, but what is that line of overpayment?

3 1st round picks? So you may get 3 potential good players for 1 potential great one, is that really overpayment? All depends on who's 1st round picks they are and where they end up being. I would rather have Nico or Nolan over 3 picks in the 20s.

For me unless a prospect/young player the level of a Marner is included with a pick or two it's not overpayment enough. Vegas doesn't have the assets to really get a real perspective of a package, which is why I asked for any team to gauge judgement.

- Glak18

I mean I could give you a serious example but it would still be an astronomical overpayment. I'd want something completely ludicrous like 5 1sts+
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 21 @ 1:35 PM ET
seriously if they move 2 for 6 and a goalie, my love affair with Hextall will be done when they could have just kept Mason.
- nastyflyergirl

Truth.

From 13 to 2. You just can't f#@k this up.

I wish they held the draft immediately after the lottery. All this time to over think the process is giving me agita.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 1:35 PM ET
Still not enough for me
- Mordecai


Actually my deal was:

They take AMac, Read and Weise along with #2 overall and we get #6, another top 12 pick in 2017, their unprotected 1st in 2018, our choice of any goalie on their roster, our choice of any Dman on their roster and our choice of any forward on their roster, and, if any of the players we choose have cap hits greater than 3.5 million they need to retain the difference.

That deal, I would make.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 21 @ 1:35 PM ET
That's why my preference is to stay at #2 and make the pick. After Patrick however, my 2 preferred centers would be Glass and Suzuki.
- Baxter27

• LISTS SIDNEY CROSBY OF THE PITTSBURGH PENGUINS AS HIS CHILDHOOD HOCKEY IDOL.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 21 @ 1:35 PM ET
Marner
- Glak18


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:36 PM ET
Still not enough for me
- Mordecai


It's very interesting. "It's a weak draft so let's trade the #2 overall to get more picks in this weak draft".
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:36 PM ET
Exactly. You don't trade it for fair value.
- MJL


Not sure where I asked for fair value, of course you don't want fair value.

"What kind of package would you think be a tough call, but in the end you would say I would be nuts not to accept?"
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:37 PM ET
Actually my deal was:

They take AMac, Read and Weise along with #2 overall and we get #6, another top 12 pick in 2017, their unprotected 1st in 2018, our choice of any goalie on their roster, our choice of any Dman on their roster and our choice of any forward on their roster, and, if any of the players we choose have cap hits greater than 3.5 million they need to retain the difference.

That deal, I would make.

- BiggE


Salary dumps should be left out of the value of the deal. It's just not that important for the Flyers right now comparatively.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 21 @ 1:37 PM ET
• LISTS SIDNEY CROSBY OF THE PITTSBURGH PENGUINS AS HIS CHILDHOOD HOCKEY IDOL.
- YuenglingJagr


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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:38 PM ET
Not sure where I asked for fair value, of course you don't want fair value.

"What kind of package would you think be a tough call, but in the end you would say I would be nuts not to accept?"

- Glak18


Not trying to "Glak 18" you but reasonable or fair value, same thing.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:38 PM ET

- Tomahawk


Would Toronto trade Marner and 2017 1st round pick for the #2 pick?
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 21 @ 1:39 PM ET
Actually my deal was:

They take AMac, Read and Weise along with #2 overall and we get #6, another top 12 pick in 2017, their unprotected 1st in 2018, our choice of any goalie on their roster, our choice of any Dman on their roster and our choice of any forward on their roster, and, if any of the players we choose have cap hits greater than 3.5 million they need to retain the difference.

That deal, I would make.

- BiggE

I WANT MORE DAMMIT
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 21 @ 1:39 PM ET
Man, I just want to lock down and gorge on hockey for the next 4 days.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 21 @ 1:40 PM ET
Would Toronto trade Marner and 2017 1st round pick for the #2 pick?
- Glak18

Can't see why they would want to. They need defense.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:40 PM ET
Salary dumps should be left out of the value of the deal. It's just not that important for the Flyers right now comparatively.
- MJL


I agree!! I wish people would get off this we must dump MacDonald at whatever cost it takes. Flyers have no major cap issues and when they do end up having to resign young players AMac will be long gone.
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