You just called Tuch a bust on the Wild board.

Those guys are fine, but I'd mich rather have drafted Dumba
- Tojo.

Yeah I was trolling when I called him a bust.

Dumba hasn't shown to be anything more than a 3rd pair guy atm

In this crazy season with side deals and handshake agreements who's to say McPhee didn't offer GMJR a late round 1st to keep Fleury on roster instead of trading him to a team where he could be protected and not claimed in the draft. Or perhaps GMJR sends Vegas a 3rd rd pick and their 1st rd pick in 2018 for a late rd 1st rounder this year from another Vegas side deal to package in a trade for a Barrie or Duchene???

Just saying it could happen...
- Chukkles

I'm to say.

Wouldn't a 2018 1st hold more value than a 2017 1st?

GMJR said he's adding toughness? What's tougher than kneeing guys heads? A first and Pouliot James Neal.

Yeah I was trolling when I called him a bust.

Dumba hasn't shown to be anything more than a 3rd pair guy atm
- Feds91Stammer

Dude's 22 isn't he? At the moment means very little with a guy that young. The projected future is what matters.

GMJR said he's adding toughness? What's tougher than kneeing guys heads? A first and Pouliot James Neal.
- Zac_O

In all seriousness though, if they have the cap space left over and the ask is reasonable, I'd be cool with getting Neal back. He is a bonehead but he is a bonehead who will put up 30+ goals on a line with Geno.

I'd do a 1st & Pouliot for Neal if LV retained half of his salary.

Dude's 22 isn't he? At the moment means very little with a guy that young. The projected future is what matters.
- Zac_O

And what if Tuch has a higher expected future value?

I'm to say.

Wouldn't a 2018 1st hold more value than a 2017 1st?
- Feds91Stammer

It is quite possible the Pens 2018 1st rd pick is only marginally better than this year. If the Pens were to get to the ECF and lose, the pick may end up being #28 or #29. However you are correct in that if the Pens have a bad year the pick could be much more valuable.

In all seriousness though, if they have the cap space left over and the ask is reasonable, I'd be cool with getting Neal back. He is a bonehead but he is a bonehead who will put up 30+ goals on a line with Geno.

I'd do a 1st & Pouliot for Neal if LV retained half of his salary.
- MacPatty

VGK could get a better return than that if they are retaining 50%

It is quite possible the Pens 2018 1st rd pick is only marginally better than this year. If the Pens were to get to the ECF and lose, the pick may end up being #28 or #29. However you are correct in that if the Pens have a bad year the pick could be much more valuable.
- Chukkles

2018 is also supposed to be a much stronger draft.

In all seriousness though, if they have the cap space left over and the ask is reasonable, I'd be cool with getting Neal back. He is a bonehead but he is a bonehead who will put up 30+ goals on a line with Geno.

I'd do a 1st & Pouliot for Neal if LV retained half of his salary.
- MacPatty

Well at least I could dust off the old jersey...

He was honestly one of my favorite players when he was here. That quick release was so damn beautiful. Once we traded him away I just saw him as a huge tool lol.

Let's put it this way, if cost was the same, who would you rather have.. Neal or E. Kane?

Well at least I could dust off the old jersey...

He was honestly one of my favorite players when he was here. That quick release was so damn beautiful. Once we traded him away I just saw him as a huge tool lol.

Let's put it this way, if cost was the same, who would you rather have.. Neal or E. Kane?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Neal.. I think? I dunno, they're both close in production, both raw and underlying. I'd be cool with either at the right price.

I'm to say.

Wouldn't a 2018 1st hold more value than a 2017 1st?
- Feds91Stammer

No. An upcoming draft pick is always worth more than one in a following draft.

Well at least I could dust off the old jersey...

He was honestly one of my favorite players when he was here. That quick release was so damn beautiful. Once we traded him away I just saw him as a huge tool lol.

Let's put it this way, if cost was the same, who would you rather have.. Neal or E. Kane?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Neal>Kane

No. An upcoming draft pick is always worth more than one in a following draft.
- nelson911

Why is that?

yes you got me i know nothing on the topic. Not a computer expert on everything. But I do know behavioral biases and they all indicate he has a good reason to retire right now for himself and the team. So that makes the condition very murky.
- sditulli

You know behavioural biases?....well I don't doubt that because you are being bias in your own opinion. Your are a mirror of behavioural biases and that is what you choose to see in this situation.

Listen to any guy that plays PROFESSIONAL hockey, they sound like little kids out there because they get to go do something they absolutely love each and every day and even if Hossa decided to retire, that is his decision and his alone. The hawks organization can do this any way they choose within legalities and the NHL will obvious review anything "murky" as you say.

In all seriousness though, if they have the cap space left over and the ask is reasonable, I'd be cool with getting Neal back. He is a bonehead but he is a bonehead who will put up 30+ goals on a line with Geno.

I'd do a 1st & Pouliot for Neal if LV retained half of his salary.
- MacPatty

He's a 1 year rental. And we don't know if we need salary retention.

Neal.. I think? I dunno, they're both close in production, both raw and underlying. I'd be cool with either at the right price.
- j.boyd919

A dirty player or a locker room cancer. Both can score. (Even if Kane is accused of forcing his way to "scoring". Get it?)

Either would be a good add but not for what it'd take to get them. IMO

And what if Tuch has a higher expected future value?
- Feds91Stammer

Is he?

Is he?
- Zac_O

He is a big power forward that was 7th in 5v5 g/gp in the AHL for players under 21. Also he was on the lowest scoring team so it isn't like he had a ton of support.

Well at least I could dust off the old jersey...

He was honestly one of my favorite players when he was here. That quick release was so damn beautiful. Once we traded him away I just saw him as a huge tool lol.

Let's put it this way, if cost was the same, who would you rather have.. Neal or E. Kane?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't know. I might lean towards Kane. Both can score goals, I think Kane is a better skater and a bit more physical. Neal is stupid on the ice, Kane is stupid off the ice but I think in a big contract year for him he will take care of his personal life.

Not sure the Pens need to/should spend assets on either as I'd want no part of a big contract extension for either.

He is a big power forward that was 7th in 5v5 g/gp in the AHL for players under 21. Also he was on the lowest scoring team so it isn't like he had a ton of support.
- Feds91Stammer

This is were the very little of where they are matters. Dumba is right now an NHL level player. So that adds value to him.

I honestly don't know enough about Tuch to say who they should have kept. I'm just giving my perspective as a fan of the Wild for my second favorite team.


Edit: f you auto correct

This is wear the very little of where they are matters. Dumba is right now an NHL level player. So that adds value to him.

I honestly don't know enough about Tuch to say who they should have kept. I'm just giving my perspective as a fan of the Wild for my second favorite team.
- Zac_O

But we are talking Haula and Tuch vs Dumba

Well at least I could dust off the old jersey...

He was honestly one of my favorite players when he was here. That quick release was so damn beautiful. Once we traded him away I just saw him as a huge tool lol.

Let's put it this way, if cost was the same, who would you rather have.. Neal or E. Kane?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

If it weren't for the aquisition cost and off-ice issues, I'd love Kane. Toughness, speed, and 24 ES goals.

Why is that?
- Feds91Stammer

In general you're getting a player that is 1 year closer to being NHL ready.

No. An upcoming draft pick is always worth more than one in a following draft.
- nelson911

Guaranteed last pick in the recent draft is worth more than the probability of having better pick in next years draft? Not sure how that works.

Here.. lemme give you a dollar. Or next year, you have a higher probability of getting 5 dollars, but theres a slim possibility you get $1.