I am not saying I base everything on HERO charts, but since I haven't really watched him play much, what am I missing here on T.J. Brodie?




EDIT: how the hell do you paste in these HERO charts? lol. this was a comparison of Brodie and Maatta and they are pretty much the same
- YouMeAndDupuis9

You gotta download the image, and then upload it to IMGUR and copy and paste the image link

Personally I think Brodie is the 3rd best defenseman on the Flames roster. I'm not huge on him, but I wouldn't be mad if he was on the Pens top 4.

The same...expect everything Maatta has dealt with and battled back from.

Now the big difference would be one plays for the Pens the other plays for the Avs...
- MattStrat

Flames*

Flames*
- j.boyd919

Oops

Im always getting my Barries and Broddies mixed...

If we trade Maatta, we need a defenseman coming back. I'm not at all apposed to trading Maatta, since I don't think he'll ever turn into a #2 guy, but if we trade him for a forward, our defense will be in shambles. Maatta is not an addition by subtraction guy, and yes, he is much better than Trevor Daley. Sending out Maatta and replacing him with Daley in the top 4 is no bueno.
- Victoro311

It's hard to trade a D for a D. So I see it as two deals... we can try a Maatta centric deal for a Galchenyuk or a Duchene, and then trade from pieces like Hornqvist, Hagelin, Sprong, Sheary, 1st for a stud D-man.

So what you're saying is that the past 25 years of evidence that no GM doesn't take at least 1 guy with significant starting experience means nothing because some fancy stats say that a guy that's never been a starter might make a better starter even though he's never done it? Can't argue with that logic, I guess..

I went all the way back to the 1972 expansion draft and every single expansion team except for Tampa Bay has taken at least 1 guy that had at LEAST a few years of NHL starting experience (and in some cases, such as Mike Richter, over a decade). That's actually 45 years of evidence that say "NHL GM's of expansion teams value starting experience in their 1st seasons". It took all of 15 minutes.
- ScienceJesus

Mrazek took the starting job from Howard in 2014-15, Started the entire 2015-16 season, and then started 50 games this season in front of a god awful Red wings team.

Mrazek took the starting job from Howard in 2014-15, Started the entire 2015-16 season, and then started 50 games this season in front of a god awful Red wings team.
- j.boyd919

Those are all moot points...Vegas is taking Fleury and it sound like Pens wont have to sweeten anything...we should be rejoicing not fighting over it.

Those are all moot points...Vegas is taking Fleury and it sound like Pens wont have to sweeten anything...we should be rejoicing not fighting over it.
- MattStrat

deleted. I give up.

- j.boyd919

So, yeah, this is the kind of guy Vegas wants...


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Heard there was over 500 people in line starting at 5:00am for a Marc-Andre Fleury appearance tonight at 7:00pm.

http://www.mlive.com/redw...left_petr_mrazek_unp.html

Part of the reason Mrazek's luster has faded could be due to deportment issues that can be traced to contentious off-season contract negotiations (they settled on a two-year, $8 million deal; Mrazek will be a restricted free agent in 2018).

Mrazek was not happy the Red Wings were unable to trade Howard in the off-season and let the club know in less-than-tactful terms.

Work ethic, attitude keys to getting Red Wings' Petr Mrazek turned around

Work ethic, attitude keys to getting Red Wings' Petr Mrazek turned around

Young goaltender has struggled since mid-February of last season.

Mrazek has always had a swagger and air of confidence, which appealed to the Red Wings. But sometimes he's too cocky for his own good, some in the organization believe. He became increasingly difficult to coach last season, they said.

Jeff Blashill's decision to start rookie Jared Coreau in the outdoor game in Toronto spoke to the attitude adjustment the team was seeking from Mrazek.

Mrazek is an entitled jagoff. A headcase. Fleury has weathered the past two years with grace and has accepted his fate by working to get better, not by pouting.

He was a .901 goalie last year. And watching him he was worse than that - no confidence, no fight in him, just crap. The numbers last year certainly do not say that he was better than Fleury, but the year before of course he had a six week run of great play that skews his NHL stats - not unlike a thousand other backup goalies who find short-term success, ala Lalime.

Mrazek took the starting job from Howard in 2014-15, Started the entire 2015-16 season, and then started 50 games this season in front of a god awful Red wings team.
- j.boyd919

And then they gave the job right back to Howard in the playoffs last year. And then Howard got the job back again late this year, and put up a .927 save % behind that same god awful team, compared to Mrazek's .901. And now of course the Red Wings are itching to get rid of Mrazek while holding on to the much older Howard

http://www.mlive.com/redw...left_petr_mrazek_unp.html



Mrazek is an entitled jagoff. A headcase. Fleury has weathered the past two years with grace and has accepted his fate by working to get better, not by pouting.

He was a .901 goalie last year. And watching him he was worse than that - no confidence, no fight in him, just crap. The numbers last year certainly do not say that he was better than Fleury, but the year before of course he had a six week run of great play that skews his NHL stats - not unlike a thousand other backup goalies who find short-term success, ala Lalime.
- hardnosed

Don't worry, I can find a bunch of articles talking about Fleury being a head case too.

And then they gave the job right back to Howard in the playoffs last year. And then Howard got the job back again late this year, and put up a .927 save % behind that same god awful team, compared to Mrazek's .901. And now of course the Red Wings are itching to get rid of Mrazek while holding on to the much older Howard
- hardnosed

And Howard let up 7 goals in 2 games, so Mrazek comes back in and post a .945 sv%.

You probably think Holland is a good GM too.

Please give me a single example of an expansion team taking a goalie that was not previously a starter at the NHL level to be their inaugural season starter in the past maybe 3 or 4 expansions. Wendell Young in 1992 to Tampa? Cause all of the other 90's/00's teams took at LEAST 1 guy that had been a starter for a few (or a LOT) of years during their drafts.

Not a single one of the other available goalies except Elliott has been a starter & there's not a chance that they take Elliott over Fleury.

No NHL GM will risk their inaugural season on the shoulders of an unproven starter. It's that simple. And every single one of those other guys are an unproven starter.
- ScienceJesus

Mrazek hasn't been a starter?

He turned his season around and had a very solid year. I dont think he's going anywhere.
- MattStrat

And they signed his brother.

So, yeah, this is the kind of guy Vegas wants...


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- YouMeAndDupuis9

A head case?

http://www.mlive.com/redw...left_petr_mrazek_unp.html



Mrazek is an entitled jagoff. A headcase. Fleury has weathered the past two years with grace and has accepted his fate by working to get better, not by pouting.

He was a .901 goalie last year. And watching him he was worse than that - no confidence, no fight in him, just crap. The numbers last year certainly do not say that he was better than Fleury, but the year before of course he had a six week run of great play that skews his NHL stats - not unlike a thousand other backup goalies who find short-term success, ala Lalime.
- hardnosed

If you are quoting DET MSM you are quoting bad info.

And then they gave the job right back to Howard in the playoffs last year. And then Howard got the job back again late this year, and put up a .927 save % behind that same god awful team, compared to Mrazek's .901. And now of course the Red Wings are itching to get rid of Mrazek while holding on to the much older Howard
- hardnosed

Howard did that over a small sample because he was hurt most of the year. Holland is an idiot and is still salty Mrazek almost took him to arbitration last summer. Mrazek is the best goalie available in expansion.

http://www.mlive.com/redw...left_petr_mrazek_unp.html



Mrazek is an entitled jagoff. A headcase. Fleury has weathered the past two years with grace and has accepted his fate by working to get better, not by pouting.

He was a .901 goalie last year. And watching him he was worse than that - no confidence, no fight in him, just crap. The numbers last year certainly do not say that he was better than Fleury, but the year before of course he had a six week run of great play that skews his NHL stats - not unlike a thousand other backup goalies who find short-term success, ala Lalime.
- hardnosed

Agreed, I wouldn't use headcase, but when you read some of the articles coming out of Detroit, he really comes off as a diva and a bad teammate. Total opposite with Fleury. And his most recent season was by far his worst so I don't see Vegas taking a shot on him with so many other options.

If I were Vegas I'd take a shot with Grubauer, but Fleury is more proven as a starter, has a wonderful reputation as a teammate, and has that recent playoff run in a league that can very much be about what have you done for me lately.

And IMO, Caps have a better exposed player in Schmidt then anyone the Pens left available. Which may be why Fleury makes sense. On other teams you can take a less experienced goalie with upside, but leaving behind either a potential building block or good asset to flip. Pens really didn't expose someone like that so why not just take Fleury from them and get other players elsewhere? Maybe the Pens worked out a small side deal just to make sure, but Fleury makes as much sense as anyone.

Tampas version of me myself & Irene!

I'm wondering about only 1 of those..........

What would the Pens need to give Vegas to take Eric Staal and send him to us? And would you do it? Seems like a great 3C for $3.5M for next two years. He's only 32.

What would the Pens need to give Vegas to take Eric Staal and send him to us? And would you do it? Seems like a great 3C for $3.5M for next two years. He's only 32.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Not sure what it would take but I could really, really get down with him being the Pens 3C...

What would the Pens need to give Vegas to take Eric Staal and send him to us? And would you do it? Seems like a great 3C for $3.5M for next two years. He's only 32.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't believe there is really a number one Center for Vegas to pick so I would think Staal might be a real need for them. Masrchette??? from FLA is going to be a nice pick up for them.

What would the Pens need to give Vegas to take Eric Staal and send him to us? And would you do it? Seems like a great 3C for $3.5M for next two years. He's only 32.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

E Staal would be the ideal 3C option for PIT imo. Cost most likely includes a 1st and a prospect not named Sprong.