I know we keep bringing up Trouba as a trade target, but how would you feel about trading for Myers? Could be had for less, due to injury history.
- kschmitty33

I really like Myers and I think the Jets would like Maata in return to even out the left side of their D. Pens would need to add but I think Myers is a guy who could get his game back in a system like the Pens play. Its a more realistic play at this point than Trouba.

Why do you have to be a complete ass about it boyd? Come on man.
- rbaurle51

One of the traits of a narcissist is being entire incapable of accepting that they're wrong on anything. Even in the face of absolute fact. Sorta like a 6 year old that sticks their fingers in their ears, squeezes their eyes shut & screams "I can't hear you!" over and over or just keeps repeating whatever statement that they're utterly convinced is correct no matter the facts. If you look at him like a petulant 6 year old, it's almost something you can just roll your eyes at and move past.

Oh, I see we're back talking about the idiocy of Shattenkirk. For Letang money, I want someone who isn't a fvcking disaster in his own zone. Say it with me kids... he's not even Letang in the offensive zone & he's Cameron Gaunce in his own zone. Hard HARD pass. He's got "wildly overpaid Rangers contract" written all over him. It's like some of the people here never ever ever see the warning signs.

And some stupid theory that it's going to require "convincing" to take Fleury. Ha. I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me anything that Mrazek, Grubauer, or any of the rest of these "just as good young goalies" have ever won. And that can include the starting position for any NHL team. I have a feeling I'll be waiting for a while. No NHL GM of an expansion team goes with a guy that's never even been a starter before because it's asinine.

And all topped off with the chronic misunderstanding of what Hornqvist brings to this team & looking simply at him from a dollars & cents standpoint? It almost saddens me to see how narrow of a vision some of my fellow pens fans are. If Sid/Geno/Tanger are the engine that drives the bus, Horny is the steering wheel. He's the guy that directs their 10 billion horsepower towards the net instead of towards a pretty play that might eventually go in the general direction of the net if the 37 pass prerequisite before shooting is met before being broken up or a mistake is made. He's the guy that turns a immensely talented but often maddeningly directionless attack & is the constant reminder of where it needs to go.

The level of absurdity on this board sometimes is staggering.
- ScienceJesus

I agree. Good post!!

It seems apparent that they already have a deal in place with LV. Maybe it was just a deal to take Fleury if he waives his NTC. Maybe it includes adding a pick or player to take him. No idea but GMJR seems confident in what will happen tomorrow.
- MacPatty

Keep in mind that GMGM was with the Caps for a very long time. Him & Teddy kinda really were responsible for the institutional PID (Penguins Inferiority Disorder) that infected that organization. He had a tendency of trying to BECOME the Penguins by going after players that tormented him while they were Penguins (the 2 biggest being Jags and Robert Lang of his tenure that I can think of off the top of my head but there were a number of others over the years as well).

I don't know if he's ever gotten over it with being obsessed with acquiring former Penguins. And if he's still infected with this PID, greatest goaltender in Pens franchise history would be freaking catnip for him.

Sheary isn't going to get more than a 2 year bridge deal. Having one good regular season riding shotgun with the best player in the league isn't enough to earn a lucrative long term deal. He probably signs for 2yr/$6M.

Holding out hope they get Duchene without trading the whole farm.

Hornquist will stay. I'd be cool with signing his next contract. He is going to get a few years at $3Mish and would be well worth it.

It seems apparent that they already have a deal in place with LV. Maybe it was just a deal to take Fleury if he waives his NTC. Maybe it includes adding a pick or player to take him. No idea but GMJR seems confident in what will happen tomorrow.

I might be living in the past but when I see Kronwall exposed by Detroit I get curious whether there is a deal that could be made for him. I love his game and the Pens could really use a physical threat on the back end. Just not sure if age and injuries have caught up with him. I hate the Wings but have always loved the way he plays the game.
- MacPatty

Troy Brouwer is a pretty fair comp for horny. 4 years 18 and that's an inferior version though widely believed to be overpaid

Right. But what about those other playoff series where he couldn't stop a beach ball and started seeing a sports shrink?

Retarded is a word that means underdeveloped. I didn't use it incorrectly, calling a player a head case based on a false media narrative is in fact a retarded narrative, it's an underdeveloped one, unless you are his sports shrink, have access to his medical records, or anything of the sort, then I will retract my statement, but as it stands, I didn't use the word incorrectly, I used it to describe an underdeveloped narrative.
- j.boyd919

That's not what you meant, but nice try though

Shattenkirk might reel in a solid 7.5 mil. I'm not sure the pens should sign him to a multi year deal at the range when we have other key players that we would need to sign in the future as well. With him, letang, malkin, Crosby, kessel, that's around like 40 mil. Too much tuna.
- rbaurle51

Never too much tuna...

Oh, I see we're back talking about the idiocy of Shattenkirk. For Letang money, I want someone who isn't a fvcking disaster in his own zone. Say it with me kids... he's not even Letang in the offensive zone & he's Cameron Gaunce in his own zone. Hard HARD pass. He's got "wildly overpaid Rangers contract" written all over him. It's like some of the people here never ever ever see the warning signs.

And some stupid theory that it's going to require "convincing" to take Fleury. Ha. I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me anything that Mrazek, Grubauer, or any of the rest of these "just as good young goalies" have ever won. And that can include the starting position for any NHL team. I have a feeling I'll be waiting for a while. No NHL GM of an expansion team goes with a guy that's never even been a starter before because it's asinine.

And all topped off with the chronic misunderstanding of what Hornqvist brings to this team & looking simply at him from a dollars & cents standpoint? It almost saddens me to see how narrow of a vision some of my fellow pens fans are. If Sid/Geno/Tanger are the engine that drives the bus, Horny is the steering wheel. He's the guy that directs their 10 billion horsepower towards the net instead of towards a pretty play that might eventually go in the general direction of the net if the 37 pass prerequisite before shooting is met before being broken up or a mistake is made. He's the guy that turns a immensely talented but often maddeningly directionless attack & is the constant reminder of where it needs to go.

The level of absurdity on this board sometimes is staggering.
- ScienceJesus

Yeah, gotta say I agree with all of that...though I dont think Shatts is quite as bad as you make him out to be. I'd take him for around 5 mill per but thats not happening. For 7+ no thanks. I think Letang (when healthy, obviously) is leaps and bounds ahead of Shatts in a lot areas including his own end.

Letang's contract is 7.25 per year...but that was signed 4 years ago....

Right. But what about those other playoff series where he couldn't stop a beach ball and started seeing a sports shrink?
- j.boyd919

Lets conveniently ignore that he had a borderline incompetent (or at best, horribly ineffective) part-time goalie coach in Giles Meloche that only had the gig because he was a friend of Mario until Mike Bales got hired in 2013. Conveniently hired right after Fleury's worst 2 playoff performances. Not to mention that pretty inept concept of team defense that was practiced under Bylsma. No, that's entirely irrelevant. It's all the "sports psychologist" and nothing to do with getting actual competent goaltending coaching for the first time in his career after like 9 seasons to turn his game entirely around.

Yeah, gotta say I agree with all of that...though I dont think Shatts is quite as bad as you make him out to be. I'd take him for around 5 mill per but thats not happening. For 7+ no thanks. I think Letang (when healthy, obviously) is leaps and bounds ahead of Shatts in a lot areas including his own end.

Letang's contract is 7.25 per year...but that was signed 4 years ago....
- MattStrat

He's not QUITE that bad in his own zone but he's bottom-pairing level most certainly. He's top pairing in the offensive zone, but just a really really bad investment for a contender at his asking price. He's the kinda guy you let Florida or Arizona sign for 7.5M and then trade for him at a deadline with them retaining 1/3 of his cap. I said it before & I'll say it again. Even if he was only looking for 5M, I'd be hard pressed NOT to take Justin Schultz over him at the same price. Schultz is significantly better in his own zone & only marginally less effective at worst in the offensive zone. But if it's Schultz at 4-5 and Shattenkirk at 7.5, I'd have to be suffering from some severe head trauma to pick Shattenkirk.

Lets conveniently ignore that he had a borderline incompetent (or at best, horribly ineffective) part-time goalie coach in Giles Meloche that only had the gig because he was a friend of Mario until Mike Bales got hired in 2013. Conveniently hired right after Fleury's worst 2 playoff performances. Not to mention that pretty inept concept of team defense that was practiced under Bylsma. No, that's entirely irrelevant. It's all the "sports psychologist" and nothing to do with getting actual competent goaltending coaching for the first time in his career after like 9 seasons to turn his game entirely around.
- ScienceJesus

Everything you say here is correct...but...you can not dismiss the shrink and what he did for him too. MAF credits the shrink more than anything else...

So in saying this I dont see why his play pre shrink/pre goalie coach(both occurred around same time) matters at all....its the past and MAF has been a much better goalie since. Even the 1st cup of this repeat wouldnt of happened without him. They wouldn't of even made the playoffs if it weren't for MAF in the first half (before Christmas) of the season with MJ coaching. They were terrible in front of him (remember everyone thinking Crosby was done/finally on decline?) and he was stellar a lot of nights.

I know we keep bringing up Trouba as a trade target, but how would you feel about trading for Myers? Could be had for less, due to injury history.
- kschmitty33

If he didn't have 2 years remaining at 5.5m I might entertain it.. but he's an expensive cap hit. His shot generation/suppression are awful too. Not really ideal.

That's not what you meant, but nice try though
- willi

Oh? Thanks for letting me know how I, the one who said it, meant it.

Oh, I see we're back talking about the idiocy of Shattenkirk. For Letang money, I want someone who isn't a fvcking disaster in his own zone. Say it with me kids... he's not even Letang in the offensive zone & he's Cameron Gaunce in his own zone. Hard HARD pass. He's got "wildly overpaid Rangers contract" written all over him. It's like some of the people here never ever ever see the warning signs.

And some stupid theory that it's going to require "convincing" to take Fleury. Ha. I'm still waiting for anyone to tell me anything that Mrazek, Grubauer, or any of the rest of these "just as good young goalies" have ever won. And that can include the starting position for any NHL team. I have a feeling I'll be waiting for a while. No NHL GM of an expansion team goes with a guy that's never even been a starter before because it's asinine.

And all topped off with the chronic misunderstanding of what Hornqvist brings to this team & looking simply at him from a dollars & cents standpoint? It almost saddens me to see how narrow of a vision some of my fellow pens fans are. If Sid/Geno/Tanger are the engine that drives the bus, Horny is the steering wheel. He's the guy that directs their 10 billion horsepower towards the net instead of towards a pretty play that might eventually go in the general direction of the net if the 37 pass prerequisite before shooting is met before being broken up or a mistake is made. He's the guy that turns a immensely talented but often maddeningly directionless attack & is the constant reminder of where it needs to go.

The level of absurdity on this board sometimes is staggering.
- ScienceJesus

Wrong on the first 2 points, but I'll agree there is an element that Horny brings to the Pens.

Sheary isn't going to get more than a 2 year bridge deal. Having one good regular season riding shotgun with the best player in the league isn't enough to earn a lucrative long term deal. He probably signs for 2yr/$6M.

Holding out hope they get Duchene without trading the whole farm.

Hornquist will stay. I'd be cool with signing his next contract. He is going to get a few years at $3Mish and would be well worth it.

It seems apparent that they already have a deal in place with LV. Maybe it was just a deal to take Fleury if he waives his NTC. Maybe it includes adding a pick or player to take him. No idea but GMJR seems confident in what will happen tomorrow.

I might be living in the past but when I see Kronwall exposed by Detroit I get curious whether there is a deal that could be made for him. I love his game and the Pens could really use a physical threat on the back end. Just not sure if age and injuries have caught up with him. I hate the Wings but have always loved the way he plays the game.
- MacPatty

Trust me, you don't want Kronwall. He is not the player he used to be at all. His last 2 season were bad.

I really like Myers and I think the Jets would like Maata in return to even out the left side of their D. Pens would need to add but I think Myers is a guy who could get his game back in a system like the Pens play. Its a more realistic play at this point than Trouba.
- MacPatty

At 5.5 for 2 years? No thanks.

Troy Brouwer is a pretty fair comp for horny. 4 years 18 and that's an inferior version though widely believed to be overpaid
- sditulli

I agree. Someone might overpay him but there's also a chance he signs a 4 year $12-15M deal to stay. I think it's telling that he was on their protection list. Possible they think they can extend him this summer for something reasonable.

One of the traits of a narcissist is being entire incapable of accepting that they're wrong on anything. Even in the face of absolute fact. Sorta like a 6 year old that sticks their fingers in their ears, squeezes their eyes shut & screams "I can't hear you!" over and over or just keeps repeating whatever statement that they're utterly convinced is correct no matter the facts. If you look at him like a petulant 6 year old, it's almost something you can just roll your eyes at and move past.
- ScienceJesus

What was I wrong about?

Also, since there was some talk of signing Radulov in todays blog. I just want to go on record saying I would much rather sign Oshie if we were signing a wing. As much as I hated him, I would love him on my team.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

NO doubt. Oshie fits better than Radulov

Even better is the potential of landing Duchene. Määttä and perhaps Sprong would be on their way out for sure.

Keep in mind that GMGM was with the Caps for a very long time. Him & Teddy kinda really were responsible for the institutional PID (Penguins Inferiority Disorder) that infected that organization. He had a tendency of trying to BECOME the Penguins by going after players that tormented him while they were Penguins (the 2 biggest being Jags and Robert Lang of his tenure that I can think of off the top of my head but there were a number of others over the years as well).

I don't know if he's ever gotten over it with being obsessed with acquiring former Penguins. And if he's still infected with this PID, greatest goaltender in Pens franchise history would be freaking catnip for him.
- ScienceJesus

https://www.washingtonpos...a/?utm_term=.9927557f1633

Is that why McPhee told Leonsis that the trade for Jagr was a bad idea?

http://www.wtae.com/artic...s-and-girls-club/10043844


Seems like good bye to me. They said Vegas will have 3-4 players appear on the awards/ED show tomorrow night. MAybe MAF is tying up loose ends before he is no longer a Penguin.

Lets conveniently ignore that he had a borderline incompetent (or at best, horribly ineffective) part-time goalie coach in Giles Meloche that only had the gig because he was a friend of Mario until Mike Bales got hired in 2013. Conveniently hired right after Fleury's worst 2 playoff performances. Not to mention that pretty inept concept of team defense that was practiced under Bylsma. No, that's entirely irrelevant. It's all the "sports psychologist" and nothing to do with getting actual competent goaltending coaching for the first time in his career after like 9 seasons to turn his game entirely around.
- ScienceJesus

Riiiiight.

He's not QUITE that bad in his own zone but he's bottom-pairing level most certainly. He's top pairing in the offensive zone, but just a really really bad investment for a contender at his asking price. He's the kinda guy you let Florida or Arizona sign for 7.5M and then trade for him at a deadline with them retaining 1/3 of his cap. I said it before & I'll say it again. Even if he was only looking for 5M, I'd be hard pressed NOT to take Justin Schultz over him at the same price. Schultz is significantly better in his own zone & only marginally less effective at worst in the offensive zone. But if it's Schultz at 4-5 and Shattenkirk at 7.5, I'd have to be suffering from some severe head trauma to pick Shattenkirk.
- ScienceJesus

No.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/05/01/george-mcphee-warned-ted-leonsis-that-jaromir-jagr-trade-was-a-bad-idea/?utm_term=.9927557f1633

Is that why McPhee told Leonsis that the trade for Jagr was a bad idea?
- j.boyd919

Nice article! The good thing for Wash is that they didn't give up $hit. We only got garbage in return. Good trade for Them regardless. We got the shaft.

No.
- j.boyd919

I'm not a big fan of Shattenkirk anything above $5.5M. TBH I really like what Schultz brings to the team and wouldn't want somebody to replace him. If only Daley accepted $2M... he'd still be on our team.