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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 19 @ 1:46 PM ET
Chayka has done a nice job of acquiring assets. I don't necessarily think it means he is doing a good job however. The Coyotes have some solid looking prospects but right now don't have a hell of a lot of talent on the roster. They have a bunch of prospects with upside, but the problem is they will most likely struggle with development because there are few good players to work them in with.

About half the teams in the league have better 3rd lines than the best line the Yotes can put together. At some point in time you have to win in the NHL, not just make asset deals just for the sake of "winning" a trade.

- MacPatty

So basically you are trying to knock Chayka because Tanner is supportive of him or you are just discounting Chayka because of the lack of talent that AZ had before he even got there.

Chayka is doing a great job.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jun 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
So basically you are trying to knock Chayka because Tanner is supportive of him or you are just discounting Chayka because of the lack of talent that AZ had before he even got there.

Chayka is doing a great job.

- Feds91Stammer

best gm in the last year. hands down
Girouxsalem90
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Upstate, NY
Joined: 05.28.2013

Jun 19 @ 1:59 PM ET
ok buddy. just did
- rinaldo

Liar.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jun 19 @ 2:05 PM ET
So basically you are trying to knock Chayka because Tanner is supportive of him or you are just discounting Chayka because of the lack of talent that AZ had before he even got there.

Chayka is doing a great job.

- Feds91Stammer

He really is sizing up the team in terms of talent and depth. His first year was VERY good. If he's a great GM will be determined based on how he follows up over the next 2+ years.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Jun 19 @ 2:25 PM ET
So basically you are trying to knock Chayka because Tanner is supportive of him or you are just discounting Chayka because of the lack of talent that AZ had before he even got there.

Chayka is doing a great job.

- Feds91Stammer


I am saying that you can't make any real judgement on what he has done so far. It looks nice on paper, but anyone can trade away guys like Yandle and Handzal at the trade deadline and acquire assets. Or take on bad contracts to get a few assets.

This summer will give you a good indication of what he can do. He has plenty of cap space and assets, now lets see if he can turn that into a roster that can be competitive before we start talking about what a great job he is doing.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 19 @ 2:30 PM ET
I am saying that you can't make any real judgement on what he has done so far. It looks nice on paper, but anyone can trade away guys like Yandle and Handzal at the trade deadline and acquire assets. Or take on bad contracts to get a few assets.

This summer will give you a good indication of what he can do. He has plenty of cap space and assets, now lets see if he can turn that into a roster that can be competitive before we start talking about what a great job he is doing.

- MacPatty

So Chayka traded away Yandle?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 19 @ 3:01 PM ET
So Chayka traded away Yandle?
- Feds91Stammer


I think you're missing his point.
James Tanner
Washington Capitals
Location: North Cederbrooke , ON
Joined: 01.19.2017

Jun 19 @ 3:11 PM ET
ok buddy. just did
- rinaldo


To be fair, it wasn't one of your better posts!
James Tanner
Washington Capitals
Location: North Cederbrooke , ON
Joined: 01.19.2017

Jun 19 @ 3:15 PM ET
I am saying that you can't make any real judgement on what he has done so far. It looks nice on paper, but anyone can trade away guys like Yandle and Handzal at the trade deadline and acquire assets. Or take on bad contracts to get a few assets.

This summer will give you a good indication of what he can do. He has plenty of cap space and assets, now lets see if he can turn that into a roster that can be competitive before we start talking about what a great job he is doing.

- MacPatty



There seems to be this idea that anyone could have done it, but isn't that what we say whenever we're confronted with something that might make us have to reassess how we think of an NHL GM?

He's 27 when hired and the avg age of a GM is like 55. Seems if we acknowledge how he's basically outperformed most of the league, we might have to reconsider how much we value experience.

Chayka has killed it. 100%. He is also dealing with his hands being tied due an untenable situation with the head coach sort of being his boss.

But if "anyone" could have made those trades, why was it Chayka who did, and not the GMs of 10-12 other struggling teams who clearly are terrible at asset management.

Chayka has done well, the only knock against his success is that virtually any smart person could come in and outperform 80% of the NHL's GMs. So your original complaint is valid but only if you consider other people and not people currently employed by an NHL team.
BURDA13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jun 19 @ 3:34 PM ET
Doan is finally gone according to Pierre LeBrun... wow
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 19 @ 3:48 PM ET
Doan is finally gone according to Pierre LeBrun... wow
- BURDA13


is it really that surprising?
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jun 19 @ 3:50 PM ET
There seems to be this idea that anyone could have done it, but isn't that what we say whenever we're confronted with something that might make us have to reassess how we think of an NHL GM?

He's 27 when hired and the avg age of a GM is like 55. Seems if we acknowledge how he's basically outperformed most of the league, we might have to reconsider how much we value experience.

Chayka has killed it. 100%. He is also dealing with his hands being tied due an untenable situation with the head coach sort of being his boss.

But if "anyone" could have made those trades, why was it Chayka who did, and not the GMs of 10-12 other struggling teams who clearly are terrible at asset management.


Chayka has done well, the only knock against his success is that virtually any smart person could come in and outperform 80% of the NHL's GMs. So your original complaint is valid but only if you consider other people and not people currently employed by an NHL team.

- james_tanner1

do you really think any of the moves he made where ground breaking, trend setting moves? Where they original moves that were outside the box thinking?

Lets see what he does if they ever become good. they look good on paper and e gets credit for that. your just over doing it. Was any luck involved you think?

just curious as to what other 10-12 other struggling team you are talking about.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Jun 19 @ 3:50 PM ET
There seems to be this idea that anyone could have done it, but isn't that what we say whenever we're confronted with something that might make us have to reassess how we think of an NHL GM?

He's 27 when hired and the avg age of a GM is like 55. Seems if we acknowledge how he's basically outperformed most of the league, we might have to reconsider how much we value experience.

Chayka has killed it. 100%. He is also dealing with his hands being tied due an untenable situation with the head coach sort of being his boss.

But if "anyone" could have made those trades, why was it Chayka who did, and not the GMs of 10-12 other struggling teams who clearly are terrible at asset management.

Chayka has done well, the only knock against his success is that virtually any smart person could come in and outperform 80% of the NHL's GMs. So your original complaint is valid but only if you consider other people and not people currently employed by an NHL team.

- james_tanner1


Again, age has nothing to do with anything. He has been GM for one year and has made some good moves. He made a few nice trades for assets and they did a nice job at the draft. All I am saying is you need to see if he can put together a team that can win hockey games before you can call him a great GM.
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
Location: Lou is our savior
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jun 19 @ 3:51 PM ET
Doan is finally gone according to Pierre LeBrun... wow
- BURDA13

He's on his way to the Islanders. Snow gave up 3-3rd rounders and a half-eaten meatball sub for him.
gmiel1980
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 09.30.2015

Jun 19 @ 3:52 PM ET
For your loyalty through all of the crap, for sticking with a team when not a lot of others would have, for being the face of the franchise, for always being available to fans, for your dignity during an ugly time in the face of BK, for sticking it out for as long as you did and most importantly....

For taking the time during an autograph signing for season ticket holders to talk to one of your biggest fans, laughing hysterically about the hair on your rookie card, taking the time to talk to my 11 year old daughter then, not caring what security said, letting her dad get a picture with you and her that she forever cherishes...

Thank you Shane Doan
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 19 @ 3:52 PM ET
is it really that surprising?
- Codes1087


benning is preparing a 2-year deal
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
Location: Lou is our savior
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jun 19 @ 3:52 PM ET
do you really think any of the moves he made where ground breaking, trend setting moves? Where they original moves that were outside the box thinking?

Lets see what he does if they ever become good. they look good on paper and e gets credit for that. your just over doing it. Was any luck involved you think?

just curious as to what other 10-12 other struggling team you are talking about.

- rinaldo

I'd rather have Chayka than Snow. Just a question. What constitutes a ground-breaking, trend-setting move to you?
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
Location: Lou is our savior
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jun 19 @ 3:54 PM ET
For your loyalty through all of the crap, for sticking with a team when not a lot of others would have, for being the face of the franchise, for always being available to fans, for your dignity during an ugly time in the face of BK, for sticking it out for as long as you did and most importantly....

For taking the time during an autograph signing for season ticket holders to talk to one of your biggest fans, laughing hysterically about the hair on your rookie card, taking the time to talk to my 11 year old daughter then, not caring what security said, letting her dad get a picture with you and her that she forever cherishes...

Thank you Shane Doan

- gmiel1980


Never had the opportunity to meet him, but he seems like a very down-to-earth kind of guy.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jun 19 @ 4:02 PM ET
I'd rather have Chayka than Snow. Just a question. What constitutes a ground-breaking, trend-setting move to you?
- Isleshockeyman

the way tanner talks him up is like he is doing stuff no other gm has done before or inventing new ways to make trades is all I am saying.

not saying he is bad at all. he has made nice moves. quite frankly easy moves. just doesn't equate to being great is all. Had he said has very nice first year, I agree.
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
Location: Lou is our savior
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jun 19 @ 4:12 PM ET
the way tanner talks him up is like he is doing stuff no other gm has done before or inventing new ways to make trades is all I am saying.

not saying he is bad at all. he has made nice moves. quite frankly easy moves. just doesn't equate to being great is all. Had he said has very nice first year, I agree.

- rinaldo

Gotcha. At least he's making moves. Snow hoards all his prospects and never makes a move.
James Tanner
Washington Capitals
Location: North Cederbrooke , ON
Joined: 01.19.2017

Jun 19 @ 5:11 PM ET
do you really think any of the moves he made where ground breaking, trend setting moves? Where they original moves that were outside the box thinking?

Lets see what he does if they ever become good. they look good on paper and e gets credit for that. your just over doing it. Was any luck involved you think?

just curious as to what other 10-12 other struggling team you are talking about.

- rinaldo



Why does a move have to be outside the box and groundbreaking to be good? How often does anyone make a move worthy of those adjectives? Couple times a decade?
James Tanner
Washington Capitals
Location: North Cederbrooke , ON
Joined: 01.19.2017

Jun 19 @ 5:12 PM ET
For your loyalty through all of the crap, for sticking with a team when not a lot of others would have, for being the face of the franchise, for always being available to fans, for your dignity during an ugly time in the face of BK, for sticking it out for as long as you did and most importantly....

For taking the time during an autograph signing for season ticket holders to talk to one of your biggest fans, laughing hysterically about the hair on your rookie card, taking the time to talk to my 11 year old daughter then, not caring what security said, letting her dad get a picture with you and her that she forever cherishes...

Thank you Shane Doan

- gmiel1980



That's awesome.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 19 @ 6:22 PM ET
benning is preparing a 2-year deal
- Tumbleweed


hes saving that for extending the Sedins for a couple of years.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jun 19 @ 7:45 PM ET
Why does a move have to be outside the box and groundbreaking to be good? How often does anyone make a move worthy of those adjectives? Couple times a decade?
- james_tanner1

the way tanner talks him up is like he is doing stuff no other gm has done before or inventing new ways to make trades is all I am saying.

not saying he is bad at all. he has made nice moves. quite frankly easy moves. just doesn't equate to being great is all. Had he said has very nice first year, I agree.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jun 20 @ 10:03 AM ET
To be fair, it wasn't one of your better posts!
- james_tanner1

ha, cant be on top of game all the time!!! all good
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