To trade him for more assets. If I'm Holland I'm taking MAF, Mrazek, Raanta, Grubauer, and any other valuable goaltenders. Half may not play for them but they'll stockpile a whole bunch of picks.
- eichiefs9

not sure how deep the goalie market is. I saw the same thing but i would be concerned that you couldnt flip them for very much.


It will certainly be interesting to see which way GM goes. does he try to build a good team now, or try and build a contender in a few years. cant have it both ways.

To trade him for more assets. If I'm Holland I'm taking MAF, Mrazek, Raanta, Grubauer, and any other valuable goaltenders. Half may not play for them but they'll stockpile a whole bunch of picks.
- eichiefs9

do you understand what the Islanders are doing?

Lindberg. This kid has the potential to be really good in this league. His rookie season showed that and late last season backed that up. I did not look into his first 20 games or so too seriously...Oscar came back from dual hip surgeries; and came back a earlier than expected, too.

I see OL as solid #2 center in the future. Keeping him will additionally leave doors open for dealing Stepan before July.

If losing a backup goalie or one OF a fourth line group of players hurts then the rangers have bigger problem . Let Vegas take who ever they want , keep all picks and move on to the NEXT big event of the summer
- way out west

This

not sure how deep the goalie market is. I saw the same thing but i would be concerned that you couldnt flip them for very much.


It will certainly be interesting to see which way GM goes. does he try to build a good team now, or try and build a contender in a few years. cant have it both ways.
- richardson30

DAL and ARI are both likely going to be looking for veteran goaltenders, well definitely ARI. DAL needs to clear out at least one of the schleps they have currently. If you figure they take the four guys I mentioned, MAF/Grubauer are their starter/back-up combo. You can trade Mrzaek and Raanta for a nice return to anyone that needs a goaltender or wait until the deadline and flip them then.

i dont see LVK taking Raanta. they have Malcom Subban, MAF, and a slew of other good goalies to choose from. why take Raanta when you dont need him? I see them taking either Grabner or Lindberg.

of the 4 i think Fast is the smallest loss. Grabner fits perfectly with our 3rd line and Lindberg is a cheap 4th line C that can step up if needed.

I think the rangers protecting Holden says a lot - maybe they like him more than most people think.
- richardson30

Malcom Subban (frank)ing sucks

one of the more overrated prospects

Grabs would hurt! His speed and PK play is huge.

Vegas would have a great PK guy and someone who gets breakaways every game. Not many players available w/ his speed and upside
- rrentz

im thinking the same. people really discount how much his speed meant and how well he can play up and down the lineup

im thinking the same. people really discount how much his speed meant and how well he can play up and down the lineup
- mrn22

And he's a vet. Vegas needs those character guys with experience

It's a no brainer if we lose Grabner it will hurt more then anyone imo. When we lost Hagelin people said his speed was very noticeable when it wasn't there and we got Grabner and that speed reentered the lineup. Plus he was arguably the best player game to game this playoffs. I love Fast and Lindberg but I think you can find a player like them more then you could a Grabner. Backup goalies come out of nowhere sometimes and the coach Allaire seems to bring the best out of guys so im not to worried there. I was hoping holden would go but that won't happen. Either way tho I think we get hit pretty hard no matter who it is as they are all solid selections for Vegas

I'm surprised Vatanen and Dumba are exposed

Forgive me if this was discussed last week as I have been proctoring regents and my administrator is Stalinesque.

Does anyone think the Puempel deal a little odd? I know they needed to get draft compliant but that could have been done by signing any of those guys. I think Vegas may draft Puempel and then receive some compensation in picks.

Forgive me if this was discussed last week as I have been proctoring regents and my administrator is Stalinesque.

Does anyone think the Puempel deal a little odd? I know they needed to get draft compliant but that could have been done by signing any of those guys. I think Vegas may draft Puempel and then receive some compensation in picks.
- climbdenali12

Cap can basically be buried in the minors if need be. Possible he was the only willing one to take the one year deal, which actually is a pay cut for him.

Forgive me if this was discussed last week as I have been proctoring regents and my administrator is Stalinesque.

Does anyone think the Puempel deal a little odd? I know they needed to get draft compliant but that could have been done by signing any of those guys. I think Vegas may draft Puempel and then receive some compensation in picks.
- climbdenali12

this would surprise me

I really think Vegas is taking one of the Rangers 4 guys and there wont be more to it than that

Rangers will be fine. No worries, ezpz.

Forgive me if this was discussed last week as I have been proctoring regents and my administrator is Stalinesque.

Does anyone think the Puempel deal a little odd? I know they needed to get draft compliant but that could have been done by signing any of those guys. I think Vegas may draft Puempel and then receive some compensation in picks.
- climbdenali12

Sounds dirty!

Sounds dirty!
- mdw7413

Gotta stay away from those procto regions.

Cap can basically be buried in the minors if need be. Possible he was the only willing one to take the one year deal, which actually is a pay cut for him.
- airjan23

I get the numbers which to me makes it more odd. He basically wrote his ticket to being a full time wolfpack player next year...to me that is odd for a 24 year old to just give in like that so easily.

this would surprise me

I really think Vegas is taking one of the Rangers 4 guys and there wont be more to it than that
- jimbo83

No Jimbo, I won't accept that. I was in a classroom with 30 high school kids with nothing to do than come up with crazy and whacked out ideas (KPE level) on this upcoming expansion draft.

Don't take that from me.

Gorton failed to do anything before the freeze but "rules" , did I do that right?

It's a no brainer if we lose Grabner it will hurt more then anyone imo. When we lost Hagelin people said his speed was very noticeable when it wasn't there and we got Grabner and that speed reentered the lineup. Plus he was arguably the best player game to game this playoffs. I love Fast and Lindberg but I think you can find a player like them more then you could a Grabner. Backup goalies come out of nowhere sometimes and the coach Allaire seems to bring the best out of guys so im not to worried there. I was hoping holden would go but that won't happen. Either way tho I think we get hit pretty hard no matter who it is as they are all solid selections for Vegas

I'm surprised Vatanen and Dumba are exposed
- Slimtj100

I can't say I agree, TJ. Grabner's speed was important to this team, no doubt. But, we have players that can allow us to play that same style if Krieder decides to be a player). And he missed the net more than I do! Miro is right that his stock will never be higher, because I don't see him scoring anywhere near 30 again. Hope I'm wrong, but I'd be surprised.
As for Lindberg and Fast, Oscar doesn't look like he's going to set the league on fire, but he also looks like he can easily be an important member of this team for a long time. Good defensively, on draws, IQ, skating, starting to drive the net and score a little more often. And Quickie, yeah there's not much flash, but he's as steady as they come. To me, he's like a Dom Moore with more upside. And, you don't win the Player's Player award two years in a row if you're just another 3rd or 4th liner. That speaks volumes to me.

I'd be perfectly fine, even HAPPY if LVK took Grabner. For the simple reason that he is the most replaceable of the four.

My Thoughts:

1) Grabner is not going to put up 25 goals a year, 10- 15 is more his avg
2) Grabner is 29 years old
3) Raanta is a GREAT, cheap and reliable backup who is VERY valuable to this team right now
4) Lindberg is young, cheap, reliable and very solid. His play the second half of the season showed the player he can be after finally getting through his injury fully, and will only be better with a healthy summer this year
5) Fast is the most undervalued guy, the grit he provides this team is hard to find. He will also be cheap like Lindberg and solidifies that bottom three.
6) Losing Grabner opens the door to more time for Buch who hopefully grows this offseason.

The above being said, what Grabner did for the Rangers last year can not be understated, but I've said all year, he is the guy to sell high on. His numbers will regress more to the mean of his career stats. He shot out of a cannon to start the year and really cooled off in the second half. Also for the PK, you would still ave Nash, Oscar, Lindberg, Hayes & Miller (The last two were phenomenal on the kill last year for a long stretch)

Grabner certainly can do another 30 goals season if the line-mate is right and also the team is offensive minded.And even if he does not he is a great PK
So to call him they easiest to replace is pretty wrong because you cant teach SPEED

Rangers will be fine. No worries, ezpz.
- tomburton99

If losing a backup goalie or one OF a fourth line group of players hurts then the rangers have bigger problem . Let Vegas take who ever they want , keep all picks and move on to the NEXT big event of the summer
- way out west

All well and good for a bad team with no depth, Grabner is the one player who I'm certain would hurt us, I was right when we lost Hags speed and I'd be right agian if we lose Grabs, fairly certain I've been dead on about a lot of players but attacked right after we've lost them

Allaire will make Kuemper or whoever replaces Raanta if he's chosen, what he can't do is recoup the assets not acquired in losing him

If the Rangers lose Lindberg I think that stings the most for the reasons mentioned, but at the same time I think Raanta has the most trade value. It would hurt to see Raanta taken and flipped for a 1st or something similar, if Lindberg is selected it would be to use him to build. I don't see them wanting Fast and Grabner is the wild card.

Gorton failed to do anything before the freeze but "rules" , did I do that right?
- KreiderBomb

How is it that you know he failed to get anything done? If he has reached some sort of agreement with Vegas, or anybody else for that matter, we (you know, the people who REALLY don't know anything) won't find out until the dust settles.
It amazes me how many people truly think that being a pro sport GM is as easy as picking up a phone and telling someone the trade you want to make. This expansion draft scenario is as complex as anything I can think of ever seeing before. That's why I've resigned myself to just waiting to see what happens. Way too many ways this could go down. Enjoy the suspense of what could be and why certain decisions are made.

How is it that you know he failed to get anything done? If he has reached some sort of agreement with Vegas, or anybody else for that matter, we (you know, the people who REALLY don't know anything) won't find out until the dust settles.
It amazes me how many people truly think that being a pro sport GM is as easy as picking up a phone and telling someone the trade you want to make. This expansion draft scenario is as complex as anything I can think of ever seeing before. That's why I've resigned myself to just waiting to see what happens. Way too many ways this could go down. Enjoy the suspense of what could be and why certain decisions are made.
- Tonybere

I wanted Bickell and boy was I wrong lol

Your right tho, fans have 0 patience. None. Nada. Our GM hats are always on but it's simply never that easy