MEh....I think thats more fan fiction. CHia needed the defenceman....if Ebs or Nuge could have gotten it done they would be traded first.
- Larsson_fan

Speaking of Fan Fiction I heard Leon has started writing homo erotic My Little Pony fan fiction. He now goes by his pen name "Pony Danza".

Speaking of Fan Fiction I heard Leon has started writing homo erotic My Little Pony fan fiction. He now goes by his pen name "Pony Danza".
- Reveen.

Not surprised.

Getting back to dumb poop, someone actually beleives LArsson is better at HOckey than Hall. I'll buy the value to EDmonton arguement but saying Larsson>HALL is (frank)ing stupid.

Did you have my back? I didnt make a stupid statement about Hall I just wanted to explore the idea.....Morris and others flamed me for suggesting it.
- Larsson_fan

I don't know that I supported your exact idea of a Hall trade. If I'm remembering it right, you supported the trading of Hall for a #1 Dman while I was of the mind that we wouldn't get that level of return for a winger as "championship teams don't build around wingers". My ideas always centered around getting a top-4 Dman, a quality C/young forward and maybe a pick or prospect (all dependent upon the other pieces involved). I only distinctly remember two suggestions from post-2014 season:

Hall to Minny for Brodin/Spurgeon (leaned Brodin because we had Schultz and Petry), Zucker and a goalie (might've been Kuemper, but I recall wanting Harding before his diagnosis)
Hall to Anaheim for Beauchemin (assuming an extension), Rakell and a 2nd

That type of deal was what I recall looking at as I believed Yakupov had the dominant elements of Hall's game in him (boy was I wrong).

I don't know that I supported your exact idea of a Hall trade. If I'm remembering it right, you supported the trading of Hall for a #1 Dman while I was of the mind that we wouldn't get that level of return for a winger as "championship teams don't build around wingers". My ideas always centered around getting a top-4 Dman, a quality C and maybe a pick or prospect (all dependent upon the other pieces involved). I only distinctly remember two suggestions from post-2014 season:

Hall to Minny for Brodin/Spurgeon (leaned Brodin because we had Schultz and Petry), Zucker and Harding
Hall to Anaheim for Beauchemin, Rakell and a 2nd

That type of deal was what I recall looking at as I believed Yakupov had the dominant elements of Hall's game in him (boy was I wrong).
- MaximumBone

Your minni trade aint bad.....Anaheim?

Not surprised.

Getting back to dumb poop, someone actually beleives LArsson is better at HOckey than Hall. I'll buy the value to EDmonton arguement but saying Larsson>HALL is (frank)ing stupid.
- Larsson_fan

You can't compare the two...

Your minni trade aint bad.....Anaheim?

- Larsson_fan

Yup, but I firmly believed that the team wasn't getting anywhere and needed a reset. Beauchemin was a very effective Dman and the type of veteran leadership I thought would be important for Klefbom and Nurse and Rakell did (and does) represent versatile forward value and was still playing at C at the time.

Thinking back, I don't believe it was Harding and instead would've been Kuemper as that was around the time Harding had been absent due to MS.

Some other deals were centered around (with some miscellaneous add-ons) guys like Reilly Smith and Joe Morrow from Boston, Campbell and Trocheck out of Florida, Grigorenko and Myers from Buffalo and Staal and Miller from NYR.

You can't compare the two...
- Reveen.

Apparently someone said FACT: Larsson>Hall.

Apparently someone said FACT: Larsson>Hall.
- Larsson_fan

apples and oranges


Oilers with Larsson is better than the Oilers with Hall

apples and oranges


Oilers with Larsson is better than the Oilers with Hall
- Reveen.

I dont disagree. I said years ago that I would lose a trade to improve the team. I beleive that happened. We lost the value for value aspect of the trade, but we had the forward depth to absorb the Hall loss somewhat and we added the much needed depth to the blueline and a rock solid defender.

Yup, but I firmly believed that the team wasn't getting anywhere and needed a reset. Beauchemin was a very effective Dman and the type of veteran leadership I thought would be important for Klefbom and Nurse and Rakell did (and does) represent versatile forward value and was still playing at C at the time.

Thinking back, I don't believe it was Harding and instead would've been Kuemper as that was around the time Harding had been absent due to MS.

Some other deals were centered around (with some miscellaneous add-ons) guys like Reilly Smith and Joe Morrow from Boston, Campbell and Trocheck out of Florida, Grigorenko and Myers from Buffalo and Staal and Miller from NYR.
- MaximumBone

They werent. The more I look back on it, and i remember feeling this way when the rebuild was announced, the oilers were not prepared at all for a rebuild. NOt sure what Tambo had in mind even to this day aside from collecting high 1st rounders.

I applauded LOwe at the time for fixing the minor league system in the organization. In hindsight, it was 5 years too late, but once the EIG shackles were gone he did a great job establishing a farm system.

HAD THEY ADDRESsed minor player drafting and development earlier thing undoubtedly would have been better, but they were so limited financially and were horrific at drafting.Imagine if they had a couple D besides Petry ( thank God MacT didnt extend him to that silly money) that were 22-23 come 2010,!
Tambo on the other hamd was a (frank)ing tool. Considering we once had Hemsky, Souray and Penner in their primes you would think we would have more than Oscar Klefbom to show for it.
Also...they had bad luck. Ryan Whitney's foot fungus, ,having 1stOA in 2 of the new milleniums weakest drafts didnt help.

apples and oranges


Oilers with Larsson is better than the Oilers with Hall
- Reveen.

Can't say that either. Never saw the exact same team with only those two changed. More was different than just those two players.

Can't say that either. Never saw the exact same team with only those two changed. More was different than just those two players.
- Iggysbff

Mthey changed the jerseys last year too, right?

Can't say that either. Never saw the exact same team with only those two changed. More was different than just those two players.
- Iggysbff

Keep them blinders on

Mthey changed the jerseys last year too, right?
- smellmyfinger

#FreeMacT

Keep them blinders on
- Reveen.

What blinders? Can't say what would have happened. We will never know? Maybe a line of Hall Nuge Ebs would have ripped it up as a second line? They dominated in the past maybe it would have happened again? And maybe we wouldn't be talking about Nuge and Ebs under performing?

So many things could have been different.

But go ahead...keep saying it is all about the exchange of those two players that made all the difference

What blinders? Can't say what would have happened. We will never know? Maybe a line of Hall Nuge Ebs would have ripped it up as a second line? They dominated in the past maybe it would have happened again? And maybe we wouldn't be talking about Nuge and Ebs under performing?

So many things could have been different.

But go ahead...keep saying it is all about the exchange of those two players that made all the difference
- Iggysbff

You have to admit that the addition of Larsson did a lot to strengthen the back end.pushing sekeras to the 2nd pair and in turn keeping Nurse lower down the line up was beneficial.

You have to admit that the addition of Larsson did a lot to strengthen the back end.pushing sekeras to the 2nd pair and in turn keeping Nurse lower down the line up was beneficial.
- Larsson_fan

I've said many times he's a useful player. A good #3 shutdown rh dman.

He just wasn't worth the price. And we still have other needs on that side that need addressed.

What blinders? Can't say what would have happened. We will never know? Maybe a line of Hall Nuge Ebs would have ripped it up as a second line? They dominated in the past maybe it would have happened again? And maybe we wouldn't be talking about Nuge and Ebs under performing?

So many things could have been different.

But go ahead...keep saying it is all about the exchange of those two players that made all the difference
- Iggysbff

Hi wish we neverr did that Hall traid!!!! Hi miss Larsson so much!!!!

I've said many times he's a useful player. A good #3 shutdown rh dman.

He just wasn't worth the price. And we still have other needs on that side that need addressed.
- Iggysbff

You keep saying number 3, that would imply you believe there are 60 better defensemen in the NHL or at the very least 30 that can play the right side/shoot right handed?

The guy isn't Drew Doughty, but he has proven he can handle top pair minutes on a nightly basis. You want to see what happens without that let Ben Lovejoy play next to Klefbom for a season.

MEh....I think thats more fan fiction. CHia needed the defenceman....if Ebs or Nuge could have gotten it done they would be traded first.
- Larsson_fan

This is true- no one wanted those two players (Ebs and Nuge) for a top 2-3 dman...

What blinders? Can't say what would have happened. We will never know? Maybe a line of Hall Nuge Ebs would have ripped it up as a second line? They dominated in the past maybe it would have happened again? And maybe we wouldn't be talking about Nuge and Ebs under performing?

So many things could have been different.

But go ahead...keep saying it is all about the exchange of those two players that made all the difference
- Iggysbff

maybe they do rip it up... but then our defence is still a tire fire and we're back in the lottery

Hi wish we neverr did that Hall traid!!!! Hi miss Larsson so much!!!!
- Frowns

Lord Larsson is ours

I've said many times he's a useful player. A good #3 shutdown rh dman.

He just wasn't worth the price. And we still have other needs on that side that need addressed.
- Iggysbff

I agree we lost that trade... there is no debate there. Every team knew we were desperate and made us pay the price..

What I'm saying is the Oilers are a better team with Larsson than they were with Hall. I would have preferred RNH or Eberle being moved but that wasn't happening.

I've said many times he's a useful player. A good #3 shutdown rh dman.

He just wasn't worth the price. And we still have other needs on that side that need addressed.
- Iggysbff

Well we can forget about that dynamic RH offensive D that isn't poop defensively...we have no trade chips for that calibre player. Unless we draft one that Ian ready to play.

Well we can forget about that dynamic RH offensive D that isn't poop defensively...we have no trade chips for that calibre player. Unless we draft one that Ian ready to play.
- Larsson_fan

Disagree. Some combination including guys like Nuge, Eberle, 1st rounders, Bear, Jones, etc could easily snag a guy like Dumba or Vatanen out of the right situation (that might be Vegas).

That having been said, I don't think we need that high producing offensive Dman. Klefbom is already looking great on the PP and seems to be a safe bet for some 40 point seasons with the possibility of finding a greater ceiling. Sekera racks up 30-40 points a year and both of Nurse and Benning have genuine offensive ability. I would prioritize actively pursuing another shutdown-capable RHD to help alleviate some burden off of Larsson's shoulders.