He can't keep getting away with it

You're all experts on his buyout cause you look it up everyday hoping it magically changes.
- Flyers Time

One can dream right?

For me, just my opinions, I lean towards Patrick. I think he could be the future number 1 center we need. I know Hischier really rose through the rankings but there is something about a guy who was consistently the top guy since he was, what 16-17.

That's just me.
- J35Bacher

At first, I definitely preferred Patrick. But after watching tape, hearing comparisons, and just reading/listening to coaches, gms, scouts etc. I just get stuck between the two. A good way to look at it I guess, theres a good chance the consensus top pick for years could fall to us at #2.

I'm assuming your making your determinations on the stats that you look at that you've talked about before. In your opinion based off this who are the more underrated and overrated defenders in the league?
- Just5

I don't know because I'm not sure how the rest of the league views certain players. I always thought Hampus Lindholm was great and a legit #1. Seems like people don't talk about him a lot because he's not a big point getter. I think Gudas is pretty underrated. Most just see him as a hitter. He's been the Flyers best defenseman over the last two years.

Edit: I also watched the playoffs and the Sens were a mess when Karlsson wasn't on the ice. Their success is a testament to his greatness; not Ceci and Phaneuf playing well.

The idea that MacDonald would be difficult to replace is laughable. Assuming the 2 guys coming up this season are Morin/Hagg. That still leaves TJ Brennan, Travis Sanheim (two Ns? I always forget), and Phil Meyers (unlikely to make the jump) as replacements. On top of that, you can find a cheap stop-gap for this season somewhere in FA. It's not like there's absolutely no other options.

This idea that we HAVE to have a certain number of "veteran" players is also outdated. Gudas and Manning are "veterans" enough.

Brennan is a 28 year old career AHLer.

He's not an NHL option.

Yes Mason running his mouth had to be the reason why the Flyers chose to sign Neuvirth 2 months before that
- YuenglingJagr

Probably not, how about the mediocre play that particular season and whatever was going on behind the scenes? I don't get why everyone gets so upset at the thought of losing Mason. He's been a good goalie here, but not worth a long term investment which i'm sure he wants. Combine that with a likely rift between him and front office, not worth it.

The idea that MacDonald would be difficult to replace is laughable. Assuming the 2 guys coming up this season are Morin/Hagg. That still leaves TJ Brennan, Travis Sanheim (two Ns? I always forget), and Phil Meyers (unlikely to make the jump) as replacements. On top of that, you can find a cheap stop-gap for this season somewhere in FA. It's not like there's absolutely no other options.

This idea that we HAVE to have a certain number of "veteran" players is also outdated. Gudas and Manning are "veterans" enough.
- Diamondback424

Ghost is a veteran....Provorov plays like a veteran and is an outlier among 20 year olds. Manning is a veteran.

Get the kids in there.

I don't know because I'm not sure how the rest of the league views certain players. I always thought Hampus Lindholm was great and a legit #1. Seems like people don't talk about him a lot because he's not a big point getter. I think Gudas is pretty underrated. Most just see him as a hitter. He's been the Flyers best defenseman over the last two years.

Edit: I also watched the playoffs and the Sens were a mess when Karlsson wasn't on the ice. Their success is a testament to his greatness; not Ceci and Phaneuf playing well.
- PhillySportsGuy

Karlsson is amazing. He's the clear cut best defenseman in the league IMO. I like Ceci from what I've seen. I am still totally mystified at how Pittsburgh won with that group. Best coach in the league hands down is Sullivan

The idea that MacDonald would be difficult to replace is laughable. Assuming the 2 guys coming up this season are Morin/Hagg. That still leaves TJ Brennan, Travis Sanheim (two Ns? I always forget), and Phil Meyers (unlikely to make the jump) as replacements. On top of that, you can find a cheap stop-gap for this season somewhere in FA. It's not like there's absolutely no other options.

This idea that we HAVE to have a certain number of "veteran" players is also outdated. Gudas and Manning are "veterans" enough.
- Diamondback424

I don't think anyone is saying you "need" certain amount of veterans. But you also don't want to just throw youngsters into the fire. Yes Provorov was probably our best defensman but not every young player can do that.

In my example, a guy like Phaneuf can play heavy minutes and big situations where you don't need youngsters like sanheim or myers, trying to fill those shoes when they might not be ready. It allows for a slow transition.

I know this wouldn't be popular, as well as being highly unlikely, but hey if Amac is somehow traded to Vegas or just taken in the ED, and we really need a cheap stop gap veteran d man, Mark Streit could be a one year option. He did mention at TDL how he wanted to be back with us in a mentoring role. Highly unlikely like i said, but a back up plan if that ever were to happen.

- Mordecai

Seems like that would hurt

Isn't Cody Ceci low key terrible? I can't look up the numbers right now.

I know this wouldn't be popular, as well as being highly unlikely, but hey if Amac is somehow traded to Vegas or just taken in the ED, and we really need a cheap stop gap veteran d man, Mark Streit could be a one year option. He did mention at TDL how he wanted to be back with us in a mentoring role. Highly unlikely like i said, but a back up plan if that ever were to happen.
- arichardson22

I actually thought about Kulikov. He is an UFA and coming off injury season. Could be a cheap low risk/high reward type.

I would want someone a little younger then Streit.

Flyers should trade for Neimi and Leighton for an instant cup Victory!

In all seriousness the Flyers are stupid to not sign Mason. First of all Neuvirth in not a solid #1 option. He has had a lengthy injury in every season as a Flyer and unless I am mistaken Mason had the better numbers....

Seems like that would hurt
- Scoob

Some especially awful takes in here today. Yikes.

Isn't Cody Ceci low key terrible? I can't look up the numbers right now.
- Mordecai

I think he is pretty solid defensman.

6'3'', 23 years old.

He had a good playoffs. Ottawa's top 4 played a ton in the playoffs. I think he also played PK.

Thing is it doesn't matter what you think. Ottawa likes him and wants to protect him but they have a problem with Phaneuf not waiving him NMC. So as of this moment they need to decide between Methot and Cici who they both like.

Some especially awful takes in here today. Yikes.
- hereticpride

Trade the 2nd overall for Matt Duschene straight up

Ghost is a veteran....Provorov plays like a veteran and is an outlier among 20 year olds. Manning is a veteran.

Get the kids in there.
- Just5

This!

I dont Meyers is going to give them a choice...dude is going to kick the door in!

I actually thought about Kulikov. He is an UFA and coming off injury season. Could be a cheap low risk/high reward type.

I would want someone a little younger then Streit.
- J35Bacher

It would just be for one year, and this is only if Amac gets moved. Personally don't know enough about Kulikov, but point of the signing I mentioned was just to be a stop gap until Sanheim and Myers are ready. Who knows if Kulikov would even want to sign a one year deal.

It would just be for one year, and this is only if Amac gets moved. Personally don't know enough about Kulikov, but point of the signing I mentioned was just to be a stop gap until Sanheim and Myers are ready. Who knows if Kulikov would even want to sign a one year deal.
- arichardson22

Beggars can't be choosers.

Not a fan of Kulikov

I think he is pretty solid defensman.

6'3'', 23 years old.

He had a good playoffs. Ottawa's top 4 played a ton in the playoffs. I think he also played PK.

Thing is it doesn't matter what you think. Ottawa likes him and wants to protect him but they have a problem with Phaneuf not waiving him NMC. So as of this moment they need to decide between Methot and Cici who they both like.
- J35Bacher

His name is Ceci god damnit. He's not a pizza

Flyers should trade for Neimi and Leighton for an instant cup Victory!

In all seriousness the Flyers are stupid to not sign Mason. First of all Neuvirth in not a solid #1 option. He has had a lengthy injury in every season as a Flyer and unless I am mistaken Mason had the better numbers....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I still feel the fact they didn't approach Mase proves either.....
1) He completely lost favor in organization for not producing and opening his big mouth
2) They have another iron in the fire that has already been agree upon

It would just be for one year, and this is only if Amac gets moved. Personally don't know enough about Kulikov, but point of the signing I mentioned was just to be a stop gap until Sanheim and Myers are ready. Who knows if Kulikov would even want to sign a one year deal.
- arichardson22

I get the stopgap thing.

I just think he is done.

At least with Kulikov, if he played well maybe he can get moved at the TDL if needed. Kind of like moneyball.