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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:46 AM ET
I like his game. I think you can then run something like
Provorov - Phaneuf,
Hagg - Gudas,
Morin - Gostisbehere.

He can also play PK and match against some top lines. And like Gudas he can add some thump to guys coming across the middle.

I think Ottawa is in a spot they have to move him. If Sanheim shows he is ready in the future maybe you move Gudas who is younger and has a reasonable deal.

I know Phaneuf has a bad rep about him, but I actually think he could work for the Flyers.

- J35Bacher


If you have half decent scouting, you should be able to find a better player than Phaneuf for less money and term.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jun 16 @ 9:47 AM ET
I'll be sure to notify the coaching staff
- PhillySportsGuy


I'd expect things to change through the season. I'm not sold on Ghost-Morin doing more than 3rd pair minutes with Ghost getting PP1 time to start the year.

I guess I'll be getting a ELC offer for team negative soon.

I'm expecting the D to start to be:

Provy-AMac
Gudas-Hagg/Manning
Ghost-Morin

Manning/Vet Signing as 7th...
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:49 AM ET
Congrats on the new job!!! At least you got that going for ya
- nonpoint22


Thank you!
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 16 @ 9:49 AM ET
VAN signed Gudbrandson to a 1 year deal which makes him UFA after....S2TP might be on to something
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 9:50 AM ET
I just can't imagine Hagg as a top pair guy. I like his game but I think he rounds out as a high end 4, maybe a 3
- bulet13



I think Hagg has a great game. He plays like Provorov. Smart, positional defense. He won't be flashy but i think he'll be quietly solid.

Once Myers and Sanheim are ready I see something like this as long as they are all still around:

Provorov - Myers
Sanheim - Hagg
Morin - Gostisbehere
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:50 AM ET
I get the feeling there will be a lot of rotating on the defense next year. I'm just excited to finally see a lot of the young players funneling through. Seems like we've been waiting forever on some of these guys.
- PhillySportsGuy

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 16 @ 9:50 AM ET
Why?
Ottawa already asked him to waive his NMC and were turned down. I guess you don't think that Phaneuf is a better player than AMac? He had 9 goals, 30 points and skated 23 minutes a night for a playoff team, he sure seems like the better player.

- BiggE

no i just meant that you forgot he wasnt in Toronto...i enjoyed it
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 16 @ 9:50 AM ET
Why?
Ottawa already asked him to waive his NMC and were turned down. I guess you don't think that Phaneuf is a better player than AMac? He had 9 goals, 30 points and skated 23 minutes a night for a playoff team, he sure seems like the better player.

- BiggE


The post he quoted has Phaneuf in Toronto still...before your edit I guess.

And there's nothing wrong with a wee nip before noon!
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jun 16 @ 9:52 AM ET
I think Hagg has a great game. He plays like Provorov. Smart, positional defense. He won't be flashy but i think he'll be quietly solid.

Once Myers and Sanheim are ready I see something like this as long as they are all still around:

Provorov - Myers
Sanheim - Hagg
Morin - Gostisbehere

- J35Bacher


But Friedman/Wilcox/Hogberg!!!!!!!
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
I think Hagg has a great game. He plays like Provorov. Smart, positional defense. He won't be flashy but i think he'll be quietly solid.

Once Myers and Sanheim are ready I see something like this as long as they are all still around:

Provorov - Myers
Sanheim - Hagg
Morin - Gostisbehere

- J35Bacher


That's the dream but how likely is it that all 6 of our dmen are home grown and from the last 4(5?) drafts? How often does that happen? As much as I would love for this to happen its almost a garuntee one or two of our prospects dont pan out and become more like Luke Schenn than PK Subban
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
I think Hagg has a great game. He plays like Provorov. Smart, positional defense. He won't be flashy but i think he'll be quietly solid.

Once Myers and Sanheim are ready I see something like this as long as they are all still around:

Provorov - Myers
Sanheim - Hagg
Morin - Gostisbehere

- J35Bacher


This would likely be a first in Flyers history a 6 man D group featuring all Flyer draft picks and/or amateur free agents.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
no i just meant that you forgot he wasnt in Toronto
- YuenglingJagr

That's not booze, that's just old age.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
That's not booze, that's just old age.
- BiggE

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 9:54 AM ET
If you have half decent scouting, you should be able to find a better player than Phaneuf for less money and term.
- PhillySportsGuy



I don't know.

Phaneuf is a pretty solid player who can give you 27-30 minutes a night on the top pair.

Ottawa is in a bit of a bind with him not waiving his NMC because now they need to protect Karlsson, Phaneuf and one of Methot/Cici. I see Phaneuf moved before Saturday. If you can get ottawa to take Read and retain 40-50% that's a solid deal.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 16 @ 9:54 AM ET
Keeping MacDonald is fine for now. His buyout isn't too bad if they want to go that route next year or the year after. I just wish they'd play him on the third pair. Gudas is far more equipped to handle top pair duties with Provorov.
- PhillySportsGuy


No reason not to keep him. I mean if Vegas wants to take him great. He should be thought of as the #7 going into training camp. If he's pushed down even further great he can be on the phantoms. It would actually be good for him to be the callup all year for injuries or if a young guy isn't working out because you can waive him up and down without ever having to worry if he'll get claimed. He's the perfect #7 utility guy for us
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:55 AM ET
This would likely be a first in Flyers history a 6 man D group featuring all Flyer draft picks and/or amateur free agents.
- BiggE


Imagine the 30 for 30 ESPN could do on this D group after we win 5 Cups in a row
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:55 AM ET
That's the dream but how likely is it that all 6 of our dmen are home grown and from the last 4(5?) drafts? How often does that happen? As much as I would love for this to happen its almost a garuntee one or two of our prospects dont pan out and become more like Luke Schenn than PK Subban
- bulet13


It may not be likely, but Provorov and Ghost are already established NHL regulars and there is not a scout that I've ever heard from who doesn't think, 100%, that Sanheim, Morin, Myers and Hagg will be NHL players. Can't say for sure that they are all top 4 guys or if any, save Provorov, will be top pairing guys. But I will be very surprised if, barring injury, all 6 aren't NHL regulars.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:55 AM ET
I'll be sure to notify the coaching staff
- PhillySportsGuy


Make sure to mention Morin goes on the left side of any pairing he's on.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 16 @ 9:55 AM ET
I don't know.

Phaneuf is a pretty solid player who can give you 27-30 minutes a night on the top pair.

Ottawa is in a bit of a bind with him not waiving his NMC because now they need to protect Karlsson, Phaneuf and one of Methot/Cici. I see Phaneuf moved before Saturday. If you can get ottawa to take Read and retain 40-50% that's a solid deal.

- J35Bacher



want no part of it. Gudas is our Phaneuf. Young players coming
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:56 AM ET
ttt
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 16 @ 9:56 AM ET
Imagine the 30 for 30 ESPN could do on this D group after we win 5 Cups in a row
- arichardson22

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 9:56 AM ET
But Friedman/Wilcox/Hogberg!!!!!!!
- dragonoffrost



That's why I said if they all stay.

I do like Friedmans game. He plays like a more aggressive Gostisbehere.

It will be interesting to see what happens moving forward. Just nice to finally have options.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:57 AM ET

Both sides must have really burned some bridges.

- MBFlyerfan


I generally don't give a hoot about off-ice "drama" but in this case I am very curious.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:57 AM ET
I don't know.

Phaneuf is a pretty solid player who can give you 27-30 minutes a night on the top pair.

Ottawa is in a bit of a bind with him not waiving his NMC because now they need to protect Karlsson, Phaneuf and one of Methot/Cici. I see Phaneuf moved before Saturday. If you can get ottawa to take Read and retain 40-50% that's a solid deal.

- J35Bacher


I think you meant 20-23 minutes.

But I wouldn't consider taking Phaneuf at 4 x $7m unless MacDonald (3 x $5m) was going the other way.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 9:58 AM ET
Yes Mason running his mouth had to be the reason why the Flyers chose to sign Neuvirth 2 months before that
- YuenglingJagr


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