Ew. We gave them a respectable goalie prospect AND Cousins for a 5th+NCAA 4th liner. That's really really bleh. Not a big deal but why?
- Mononoke

I'm assuming he was unlikely to sign with them considering the Flyers goalie prospect depth

This is actually decent.
too many middling forwards that you can't protect and a goalie prospect that you have zero options for in the future. so no loss there.
get back a chance to pick someone next year.
sounds like a win to me.

bet they sign Weal soon

I'm assuming he was unlikely to sign with them considering the Flyers goalie prospect depth
- PhillySportsGuy

So? Madsen's right alone are worth a 5th maybe, certainly more than Warren. So is Cousins. So we included both of them for that deal. Maybe a 3rd rounder or at least a 4th going our way sounds fair. They got a 6'6 good college goalie and an NHL depth player. We got what looks to be a future 4th line AHLer, maybe, and a 5th rounder. I don't know, looks like we got the lesser end to me on what is still a low key deal.

5th rounder is for 2018
- missingmike

nailed it

But who will the Phillies take with the #1 in 2018!?
- PhillySportsGuy

Looks like a lot of just meh talent next year. No Bryce Harper in next years draft class.

i know zero about warren other than he is a former 81st pick but i'm sad to see cousins go. the flyers obviously have a log jam at forward so it helps with that while picking up a prospect. Madsen is buried behind more promising prospects

So? Madsen's right alone are worth as much or more than a 5th+Warren. So is Cousins. So we included both of them for that deal. I don't know, looks like we got hosed to me on a low key deal. Maybe a 3rd rounder going our way sounds fair.
- Mononoke

bill's opinion of Madsen was a career minor leaguer if i recall correctly

So? Madsen's right alone are worth as much or more than a 5th+Warren. So is Cousins. So we included both of them for that deal. Maybe a 3rd rounder going our way sounds fair. They got a 6'6 really good college goalie and an NHL depth player. We got what looks to be a future 4th line AHLer, maybe, and a 5th rounder. I don't know, looks like we got hosed to me on what is still a low key deal.
- Mononoke

We threw madsen in the trash it was great

So? Madsen's right alone are worth as much or more than a 5th+Warren. So is Cousins. So we included both of them for that deal. I don't know, looks like we got hosed to me on a low key deal. Maybe a 3rd rounder going our way sounds fair.
- Mononoke

If the Flyers knew Madsen wasn't going to sign and Vegas was likely to take Cousins, then I think it's fine. At least they got something for them.



On a personal level, I never really liked having a guy accused of sexual assault on the team, so I won't shed a tear for Cousins's departure

Looks like a lot of just meh talent next year. No Bryce Harper in next years draft class.
- Sinisalo4vr

Won't matter because we're going to sign the real Bryce Harper!

bill's opinion of Madsen was a career minor leaguer if i recall correctly
- nastyflyergirl

Goalies are funny in evaluating. If he wasn't signing fine, but he's a good college goalie with some potential. Even if he ends up a career minor leaguer, which I don't see how is predictable at age 21. Alex Lyon was a freshman in college at that age and not even on the radar (who might also be a minor leaguer).

This Warren kid had 10 points on a garbage Michigan team with plenty of opportunity and was 13th on the team in scoring as a sophomore. Sounds like an absolute career minor leaguer to me. And Nick Cousins is an NHLer. A 5th going back our way doesn't make up the difference to me.

If the Flyers knew Madsen wasn't going to sign and Vegas was likely to take Cousins, then I think it's fine. At least they got something for them.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't think there's a remote chance Vegas was taking Cousins with 3 of Bellemare, Laughton, Raffl, Read also available.

Goalies are funny in evaluating. If he wasn't signing fine, but he's a good college goalie with some potential. Even if he ends up a career minor leaguer, which I don't see how is predictable at age 21. Alex Lyon was a freshman in college at that age and not even on the radar.

This Warren kid had 10 points on a garbage Michigan team with plenty of opportunity and was 13th on the team in scoring as a sophomore. Sounds like an absolute career minor leaguer to me. And Nick Cousins is an NHLer. A 5th going back our way doesn't make up the difference to me.
- Mononoke

I see it as Cousins for the 5th rounder and college kids swap. It's a nothing trade.

I see it as Cousins for the 5th rounder and college kids swap. It's a nothing trade.
- missingmike

Signing issue aside, I wouldn't swap Madsen for Warren straight up. Don't think they're on the same tier of college talent. Two players in college aren't equal just because they're in college. One is a top goalie at that level; the other a 4th liner.

I don't think there's a remote chance Vegas was taking Cousins with 3 of Bellemare, Laughton, Raffl, Read also available.
- Mononoke

Bellemare = Not good
Laughton = minor leaguer
Raffl = Protected
Read = 1 year deal

If I were Vegas, I would have taken Cousins for those reasons above. I believe he's under team control for 3 or 4 more years. That would be important to me if I were building a team from scratch.

Signing issue aside, I wouldn't swap Madsen for Warren straight up. Don't think they're on the same tier of college talent. Two players in college aren't equal just because they're in college. One is a top goalie at that level; the other a 4th liner.
- Mononoke

You maybe right, but it's not worth worrying about. Other GM understanding that Madsen wont be sign here limited Hexy's bargaining

Was really hoping Datsyuk was coming back for Cousins. Hextall really blew this trade.

Bellemare = Not good
Laughton = minor leaguer
Raffl = Protected
Read = 1 year deal

If I were Vegas, I would have taken Cousins for those reasons above. I believe he's under team control for 3 or 4 more years. That would be important to me if I were building a team from scratch.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yes, those are true in our opinion. Vegas is run by George McPhee, not us. I'm still not convinced the Flyers don't protect Bellemare and expose Raffl. Then it's a no brainer who to take. And if they protect Raffl and expose Bellemare, it's obvious Bellemare has cache with NHL teams. To them he's a very good veteran 4th liner. Laughton is a former 1st rounder with potential who did well as a 5v5 scorer and has some upside. I think he has more value than Cousins. I just don't see any possibility they'd take Cousins.

Was really hoping Datsyuk was coming back for Cousins. Hextall really blew this trade.
- arichardson22

priceless!

Your original point that was Vegas would consider MacDonald because they need to use the ED to reach the cap floor. This is patently false. They have already signed a $4.5m free agent and will be signing more after July 1st. The very worst American franchise in the league attracted free agents last summer, and Vegas is a more attractive destination than Arizona. Detroit signed a $5.25m AAV free agent last year.

PP time is a very odd thing to hang your hat on considering MacDonald averaged 6 seconds per game and Gudas averaged 4. I guess it just shows you still haven't gotten over Hextall kicking your boy to the curb and extending the "inferior" Gudas.
- Feanor

No, I didn't say Andrew MacDonald would need to reach the cap floor. I suggested that they might select MacDonald for a number of reasons including experience and a decent length contract.

Again, Arizona has Datyuk and Pronger keeping them above the cap floor, which you haven't even acknowledge. I live in Detroit, my "smart" friend. Detroit is a disaster they're not sure they can get out of heading into little Cesar's arena. By the way, are you talking about the corpse of Thomas Vanek?

Last I check, PP is a special teams situation in the NHL. Gudas has a booming shot but not the creativity. Funny how you bring up what Mac/Gudas did last season on the PP but not entire body of work in terms of career.

Yes, those are true in our opinion. Vegas is run by George McPhee, not us. I'm still not convinced the Flyers don't protect Bellemare and expose Raffl. Then it's a no brainer who to take. And if they protect Raffl and expose Bellemare, it's obvious Bellemare has cache with NHL teams. To them he's a very good veteran 4th liner. Laughton is a former 1st rounder with potential who did well as a 5v5 scorer and has some upside. I think he has more value than Cousins. I just don't see any possibility they'd take Cousins.
- Mononoke

I guess we'll never know unless Hexy comes out and states it.

I disagree with Hexy on certain things, but I like to think he wouldn't have made this trade unless he knew what was going to happen. It be very unlike him to just give up on young players for a measly 5th rounder.

I imagine Vegas would turn to Laughton (assuming he's unprotected) now. If I were them, I'd go out and sign a bunch of the Flyers FAs like Mason, Weal and MDZ. Losing the opportunity to grab a player off the roster isn't really a big deal in my eyes.

If the Flyers knew Madsen wasn't going to sign and Vegas was likely to take Cousins, then I think it's fine. At least they got something for them.



On a personal level, I never really liked having a guy accused of sexual assault on the team, so I won't shed a tear for Cousins's departure
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah but if they knew Vegas was taking cousins they just forced them to lose someone else. I am a fan of Madsen, but I do have doubts he would sign. Fifth is kind of lame but I don't think Hextall is done moving picks. I guess there's really no way to get excited about the trade but it is pretty minor

Yeah but if they knew Vegas was taking cousins they just forced them to lose someone else. I am a fan of Madsen, but I do have doubts he would sign. Fifth is kind of lame but I don't think Hextall is done moving picks. I guess there's really no way to get excited about the trade but it is pretty minor
- YuenglingJagr

The only thing missing was the rights to alt

Signing issue aside, I wouldn't swap Madsen for Warren straight up. Don't think they're on the same tier of college talent. Two players in college aren't equal just because they're in college. One is a top goalie at that level; the other a 4th liner.
- Mononoke

GOalies also move around a lot. I understand not wanting to give any up. I think he still has a ways to go so I don't mind him doing it in another system. NBD

Oh I finally chime in and y'all just leave?