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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 16 @ 12:15 PM ET
Spoiler alert: Statistically Gudas is a better defenseman
- Mordecai

Please dont
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 16 @ 12:15 PM ET

- StepfordSam


LOL

Well played
JGHawley
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bryn Mawr, PA
Joined: 12.18.2013

Jun 16 @ 12:16 PM ET
Problem is AMac is a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy with a #1 contract. Flyers need a real compliment to Provorov but they don't currently have one so AMac gets the minutes.

Gudas is a 2nd pairing D, moving him up just exposes him like AMac.
Can't get rid of Gudas because he's the only grit on your back end.

So Ghost - Gudas is your proper 2nd pairing with any combination of Manning/Morin/Hagg for your third

I want no part of Phaneuf - why move AMac for another problem contract especially since Sanheim and Myers are on their way?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 16 @ 12:17 PM ET
We only do poop like that in AprilXXX
- mayorofangrytown


Well that needs change then since it is Cold as Frank in April and June is prime stripping season
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 16 @ 12:17 PM ET
Please dont
- YuenglingJagr

I've got the rest of the day off with nothing better to do.

arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 16 @ 12:18 PM ET
Problem is AMac is a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy with a #1 contract. Flyers need a real compliment to Provorov but they don't currently have one so AMac gets the minutes.

Gudas is a 2nd pairing D, moving him up just exposes him like AMac.
Can't get rid of Gudas because he's the only grit on your back end.

So Ghost - Gudas is your proper 2nd pairing with any combination of Manning/Morin/Hagg for your third

I want no part of Phaneuf - why move AMac for another problem contract especially since Sanheim and Myers are on their way?

- JGHawley


Morin will have grit too
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 16 @ 12:18 PM ET
You could always flip Beaulieu or whomever to get something of need. Again. more or less the overall idea variations of players and picks can be substituted. However, the idea of a G to Montreal for a nice package of players and picks is what Im suggesting
- nonpoint22


A trade of Giroux has some merit, I just don't know if that's the right deal.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 16 @ 12:19 PM ET

- Streit2ThePoint

xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 16 @ 12:21 PM ET
A trade of Giroux has some merit, I just don't know if that's the right deal.
- MJL


If the right deal comes along I would trade G in a heart beat.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 16 @ 12:22 PM ET
Yes and no. MacDonald is better defensively than Gudas is.
- MJL


Not according to the...nvm
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 12:22 PM ET
Problem is AMac is a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy with a #1 contract. Flyers need a real compliment to Provorov but they don't currently have one so AMac gets the minutes.

Gudas is a 2nd pairing D, moving him up just exposes him like AMac.
Can't get rid of Gudas because he's the only grit on your back end.

So Ghost - Gudas is your proper 2nd pairing with any combination of Manning/Morin/Hagg for your third

I want no part of Phaneuf - why move AMac for another problem contract especially since Sanheim and Myers are on their way?

- JGHawley



When people have talked about Phaneuf it is not at his current price. It would have to be with money retained.

flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Jun 16 @ 12:24 PM ET
According to Dave Isaac Hextall said 25-75% chance he's making a trade before roster freeze tomorrow.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 16 @ 12:25 PM ET
The idea that MacDonald would be difficult to replace is laughable. Assuming the 2 guys coming up this season are Morin/Hagg. That still leaves TJ Brennan, Travis Sanheim (two Ns? I always forget), and Phil Meyers (unlikely to make the jump) as replacements. On top of that, you can find a cheap stop-gap for this season somewhere in FA. It's not like there's absolutely no other options.

This idea that we HAVE to have a certain number of "veteran" players is also outdated. Gudas and Manning are "veterans" enough.

- Diamondback424


Brennan is not an NHL defenseman and he could not replace MacDonald.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 16 @ 12:25 PM ET
Yes and no. MacDonald is better defensively than Gudas is.
- MJL

Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 16 @ 12:26 PM ET
According to Dave Isaac Hextall said 25-75% chance he's making a trade before roster freeze tomorrow.
- flyerfan28

So definitely maybe probably?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 12:26 PM ET
A trade of Giroux has some merit, I just don't know if that's the right deal.
- MJL



What's something you would need in a giroux deal?

I think any deal would need you to keep some salary or take a bad deal back, like Montreal would probably want to get rid of Plekanc's last year at 6 million.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 16 @ 12:27 PM ET
According to Dave Isaac Hextall said 25-75% chance he's making a trade before roster freeze tomorrow.
- flyerfan28


so the same % chance of rainfall tomorrow ?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 12:27 PM ET
So definitely maybe probably?
- Mordecai



that's like when comcast tells you they will be there sometime between 12 and 6 pm
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Jun 16 @ 12:27 PM ET
So definitely maybe probably?
- Mordecai


We should be hearing about a deal in the next few minutes if history repeats
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 16 @ 12:28 PM ET
What's something you would need in a giroux deal?

I think any deal would need you to keep some salary or take a bad deal back, like Montreal would probably want to get rid of Plekanc's last year at 6 million.

- J35Bacher


I'm convinced that if you were GM, no player would remain on the team for more than 6 months
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 16 @ 12:29 PM ET
According to Dave Isaac Hextall said 25-75% chance he's making a trade before roster freeze tomorrow.
- flyerfan28


Huh

I asked for one move that everyone would make in yesterday's thread, but never offered mine

I'm still not sure what I'd do -- I don't hate the Flyers roster at this moment, even with its flaws -- so I'm curious what type of move Hextall would make

Shedding salary? Bringing in a better defenseman than MacDonald for that final protection slot, even if you don't move MacDonald in the deal (no interest in the AMac debate today)?

A scoring LW? A goalie?

Curious what Hextall would be looking at doing
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 16 @ 12:29 PM ET
According to Dave Isaac Hextall said 25-75% chance he's making a trade before roster freeze tomorrow.
- flyerfan28


J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 12:31 PM ET
I'm convinced that if you were GM, no player would remain on the team for more than 6 months
- PhillySportsGuy



Depends.

Right now the Flyers are in a roster transition. they have youth coming. they have guys they can lose.

It all depends.

But I also think some people tend to overvalue guys.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 16 @ 12:45 PM ET
Niemi can
- YuenglingJagr


lolz
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 16 @ 12:46 PM ET
What's something you would need in a giroux deal?

I think any deal would need you to keep some salary or take a bad deal back, like Montreal would probably want to get rid of Plekanc's last year at 6 million.

- J35Bacher


Top prospect + Pick for Giroux with retained salary
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