The Colorado Avalanche has opted to buy out the remaining term of defenseman Francois Beauchemin's contract.

Beauchemin had one year left on his three-year deal with the Avs, which he signed as a free agent on July 1, 2015.

Teravainen gets 2 years, 2.86mil AAV from Carolina.

Teravainen gets 2 years, 2.86mil AAV from Carolina.
- Feanor

The Colorado Avalanche has opted to buy out the remaining term of defenseman Francois Beauchemin's contract.

Beauchemin had one year left on his three-year deal with the Avs, which he signed as a free agent on July 1, 2015.
- Feanor

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I say we all spend a day in the Vancouver thread to truly understand suffering. Then we come back here with some fresh perspective.
- Mordecai

(frank) that noise.

I'd rather just think that the Flyers suck

It was a fun post and all, but really what does it all mean? Are you saying we should just trust that the Flyers or any other team on here does everything right because they know more than anyone else? Are you saying it just isn't worth talking about over and over?

If it is the latter, I would probably agree, but also point out that is literally all that is done on here. If it is the former, then I would ask where you would expect to see that? Are skill and responsibility inversely proportional? Does a guy have to be 34 to lead? I see those types of comments getting thrown around all over the place as assumptions. To have a team that values skill and positive shot differentials and whatever other "fancy" things you want to throw in there does not mean the team cannot have veterans, grinders, "professional" players on the roster.

So yes, I agree that probably no one single person is right, and some of us have our own opinion on what is right, but free thought is always nice to see if it has an actual resemblance to being supported by evidence. Even all the evidence in the world doesn't guarantee the right decision is made either. If the Flyers were doing everything right, they wouldn't be picking #2 next weekend.
- YuenglingJagr

The problem is the lack of understanding of how individual player analytics are really team stats. Those numbers are a collection of stats from all of the players on the ice at the time including the opposition, and the situations a player is played in. You cannot isolate a player from those factors. A good player can have bad analytics because of it. That's where watching the player with the "eye test" comes in. That Bellemare is not a good player based on those analytics is just as much of an assumption being made as what you point out is. Some refuse to believe there is the possibility of Bellemare putting up better numbers and production if he plays with better players on a better team. If we want to look at a players skill level, you don't see that with analytics. Then we get to the narrative of do the Flyers do everything right. I would ask do the Flyers do everything wrong? Analytics tell us that the Flyers view of seeing Bellemare as a valuable player to the team is wrong. How could analytics possibly be wrong! LOL

I took the Filpulla trade as a trade for this year. At that point they didn't have the 2nd overall pick and needed some center depth. The move got Schenn back on the wing and kind of took some offensive pressure off Couturier. Even though we like to label Couturier as the 3rd line center, he really isn't because he will play heavy minutes.

Getting Filpulla for 1 year at 5 million was allowing the Flyers to not have to chase any FA in this offseason. And you would never get a FA like him on a 1 year deal.

Getting the number 2 pick has chaged some things. Also the development of Linblom and now him coming over. But it's not anything that can't be fixed. The number 2 pick could come in and play center and move Filpulla to wing or vice versa.

Filpulla plays well and depending on the Flyers playoff position he could be a nice asset to flip.

The Flyers actually have solid depth this year the way things are looking. I actually am not finding much wrong right now unless for some dumb reason they don't take one of Patrick or Hischier at number 2
- J35Bacher

The problem is the lack of understanding of how individual player analytics are really team stats. Those numbers are a collection of stats from all of the players on the ice at the time including the opposition, and the situations a player is played in. You cannot isolate a player from those factors. A good player can have bad analytics because of it. That's where watching the player with the "eye test" comes in. That Bellemare is not a good player based on those analytics is just as much of an assumption being made as what you point out is. Some refuse to believe there is the possibility of Bellemare putting up better numbers and production if he plays with better players on a better team. If we want to look at a players skill level, you don't see that with analytics. Then we get to the narrative of do the Flyers do everything right. I would ask do the Flyers do everything wrong? Analytics tell us that the Flyers view of seeing Bellemare as a valuable player to the team is wrong. How could analytics possibly be wrong! LOL
- MJL

You act as if this is something new and you're the only one that knows the strengths and weaknesses of advanced statistics. Any form of data (film or formula) can be interpreted incorrectly. The post is difficult to read and we've moved on.

And no, the Flyers don't do everything wrong. For the last 4 years they have done a lot of things right. They still do some things wrong though. Some of which have come and gone and some of which are current and concerning. I don't think it takes the use of "analytics" to see that either. Hopefully moving forward they do enough right to overcome the wrong, which is really the case for any team, I just hope the Flyers do it better than the others.

Teravainen gets 2 years, 2.86mil AAV from Carolina.
- Feanor

suckers

simply stated, his cap hit. I don't hate him and he was a really good player for the Flyers in his first 3 seasons. since then, while he has played his role well, he is vastly overpaid.
- nastyflyergirl

He's basically worth $2M (I would argue more), so you're talking about eating about $1M this season in order to keep him. Seems stupid to get rid of him when he's one of your best 12 forwards.

Seems testy up in here.

perhaps it really falls on the Flyers organization and not Gordon. coaches are hired to win. was Gordon charged with making the Phantoms a winning team first and forth most or was he hired to simply develop the prospects? was he told to play certain kids in specific roles to fit what they may be doing in the NHL if they make it? I have no idea. just throwing it out there that we really don't know.
- nastyflyergirl

Yes, that is the concerning part of this

agreed, it is what it is. No Bellemare is no better and actually has less chance of putting up points. The Flyers have taken a player with a 3.6 contract and played him as a 4th liner. Imagine if it was the pens, he probably has 25 plus points on the 4th line.

still a bad contract, not the players fault. His 5 on 5 and playing driving metrics are actually very good for the team. Hard to judge any role playing forward on this team.

agreed, it is what it is. No Bellemare is no better and actually has less chance of putting up points. The Flyers have taken a player with a 3.6 contract and played him as a 4th liner. Imagine if it was the pens, he probably has 25 plus points on the 4th line.

still a bad contract, not the players fault. His 5 on 5 and playing driving metrics are actually very good for the team. Hard to judge any role playing forward on this team.
- wcorvette

The Flyers are going to be under the cap and have not given out any long term deals that I am against. Even Weise will be cheap enough later on. So salary aside my criticism has constantly focused on the role the Flyers organization assigns to a 4th line.

I think everyone would agree there is enough "evidence" to know they are focused on having a defensive fourth line where scoring is an afterthought. On the Flyers and on the Phantoms. We say the Flyers are just using cheap role players to fill the void until our prospects mature and can add skill to the bottom of the roster, but the Phantoms have that ability and choose not to. I do not believe that philosophy is the best way to win in the NHL today.

You act as if this is something new and you're the only one that knows the strengths and weaknesses of advanced statistics. Any form of data (film or formula) can be interpreted incorrectly. The post is difficult to read and we've moved on.


- YuenglingJagr

It was so difficult to read that you were able to reply to the point made. So that comment is invalidated. Some know the strengths and weaknesses of analytics and some clearly don't.

The action is hot and heavy!
- dragonoffrost

We should just bite the bullet and buy out Simmonds now so that we don't have to give him a raise in 2 years.

You act as if this is something new and you're the only one that knows the strengths and weaknesses of advanced statistics. Any form of data (film or formula) can be interpreted incorrectly. The post is difficult to read and we've moved on.

And no, the Flyers don't do everything wrong. For the last 4 years they have done a lot of things right. They still do some things wrong though. Some of which have come and gone and some of which are current and concerning. I don't think it takes the use of "analytics" to see that either. Hopefully moving forward they do enough right to overcome the wrong, which is really the case for any team, I just hope the Flyers do it better than the others.
- YuenglingJagr

Boyd Gordon was a fantastic signing. Everything you say to the contrary I will ignore and/or call irrelevant.

He's basically worth $2M (I would argue more), so you're talking about eating about $1M this season in order to keep him. Seems stupid to get rid of him when he's one of your best 12 forwards.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree with Read as one of the best 12 forwards on the team. He would make a strong 4th line role player who could move up if needed. Who knows maybe we see a resurgence. It is also reasonable to point out that 3+ million is too much to pay a 4th line role player.

The Flyers are going to be under the cap and have not given out any long term deals that I am against. Even Weise will be cheap enough later on. So salary aside my criticism has constantly focused on the role the Flyers organization assigns to a 4th line.

I think everyone would agree there is enough "evidence" to know they are focused on having a defensive fourth line where scoring is an afterthought. On the Flyers and on the Phantoms. We say the Flyers are just using cheap role players to fill the void until our prospects mature and can add skill to the bottom of the roster, but the Phantoms have that ability and choose not to. I do not believe that philosophy is the best way to win in the NHL today.
- YuenglingJagr

You're conflating two different things. At the AHL level they often use players in an attempt to develop them for a future role in the NHL to possibly get a drafted player to develop into an NHL player, rather than basing every move on trying to win. Such as stressing to the player puck management and how to make the right plays with the puck as an example.

Boyd Gordon was a fantastic signing. Everything you say to the contrary I will ignore and/or call irrelevant.
- jmatchett383

Was Gordon around long enough to get a snappy hockey nickname?

Like, "Gordo". Or "Boyder".

- jmatchett383

D'oh!

Was Gordon around long enough to get a snappy hockey nickname?

Like, "Gordo". Or "Boyder".
- johndewar

They just did the usual "first syllable of the last night with a 'y' on the end."

So they just called him Gordy, to distinguish him from every other hockey player ever.

D'oh!
- MBFlyerfan

Watching this closer, she seems to get dropped by the shoe, and the burly protector behind her looks to get dropped by her hair and hat.

Watching this closer, she seems to get dropped by the shot, and the burly protector behind her looks to get dropped by her hair and hat.
- jmatchett383

ban hats!

Can someone please revalidate my comment