and this was one of the best refs who warranted officiating a SCF game? meh
- nastyflyergirl

I'd like to know the last time an NHL ref was let go, or the league truly looked at how it officiates the sport.

Its becoming a gong show, and effecting the outcome of games. "Part of the game", is dinosaur talk.

I don't think they are a sack of poop. They played to their roster. They don't have the talent to play run and gun pond hockey with the Rags, or Pens. Yet they competed their asses off with what they had and almost pulled it off. Boucher is an excellent coach.
It's all about winning, you don't get style points for doing it a certain way. The Devils have won 3 Cups and basically have owned the Flyers for 20+ years. The bottom line is winning is never "boring".

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- PLindbergh31

im with you on this one

This is why I've felt the buyout wouldn't happen.
- hereticpride

Approximately 2 million a year for 4 years isn't as bad as losing your 2 time cup winning young goalie...

[quote=jmatchett383]WOW...from Paul Stewart's blog:

The video review process shall be permitted to assist the Referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they are “good hockey goals”). For example (but not limited to), pucks that enter the net by going through the net meshing, pucks that enter the net from underneath the net frame, pucks that hit the spectator netting prior to being directed immediately into the goal, pucks that enter the net undetected by the Referee, etc. This would also include situations whereby the Referee stops play or is in the process of stopping the play because he has lost sight of the puck and it is subsequently determined by video review that the puck crosses (or has crossed) the goal line and enters the net as the culmination of a continuous play where the result was unaffected by the whistle (i.e., the timing of the whistle was irrelevant to the puck entering the net at the end of a continuous play).


First, the video review in this case would come from Toronto. It is not one of the TWO options for coaches challange. Only off sides and goalie interference can challanged.
Second, it was not a continuous play. Murray stopped the original shot, it bled through on the shot, the whistle blew and THEN A SECOND PLAYER poked they puck in the net. It would not have gone in from the first shot.
- jaws1955

I guess you have to determine what a "continuous" play is. Also i don't think the shot was stopped and it bled through. that puck was through quick. If the ref is on the other side or behind the net it's an easy call.
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I'd like to know the last time an NHL ref was let go, or the league truly looked at how it officiates the sport.

Its becoming a gong show, and effecting the outcome of games. "Part of the game", is dinosaur talk.
- flyer_nutter

Pretty sure Stephane Auger was fired, although it was far later than it should have been.

Article on potential Fleury moves...

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Fleury won’t budge and the Penguins are forced to expose Murray

This is the bad option. And it won’t happen. But it’s worth pointing out to demonstrate that Fleury does have leverage in this situation and will need some sort of incentive to waive his no-movement or no-trade clause.

After a season in which General Manager Jim Rutherford, Fleury and his agent, Allan Walsh, spent time discussing solutions to this dilemma, it’s unlikely Fleury digs in his heels and refuses to cooperate. But he could and that would create problems.

Fleury can name 18 teams to which he’d accept a trade. In theory, he could only name teams secure in their goaltending situations, effectively barring a deal. That moves the Penguins to their next decision point, but again there is no reality in which Murray is exposed in the expansion draft.

The Penguins will not let Murray go and get nothing in return. They would sooner trade him. And Rutherford would probably choose self-flagellation even before that. But what if …

Fleury won’t budge and the Penguins are offered a big trade package for Murray

This too is highly, highly unlikely. But there’s always the potential for teams to do crazy things, such as offer Pittsburgh a ridiculous package for Murray.

Fair market value is probably something north of a top-10 pick in the coming NHL draft. The Canucks traded Cory Schneider for the ninth pick in the 2013 draft. Murray is younger and has a more team-friendly contract as well as two Stanley Cups on his résumé. Pittsburgh would have to be enticed by (much) more than that — including assets that could help it win immediately.

As of now, Pittsburgh only has three defensemen under contract next season and depth on the blue line has been the biggest issue the Penguins have navigated the past several seasons. Of course, they’ve “dealt with it,” by winning two Stanley Cups. Would a team such as, say, Winnipeg — which could be really good with a strong netminder — be willing to part with a top-four defenseman plus Marko Dano (a potential expansion draft victim himself) in exchange for Murray? That’s completely hypothetical, but for the Penguins to even entertain the idea, it would have to be a massive haul.

Smart money says this ain’t happening, though. Moving on.

Fleury waives his no-trade clause to be dealt to another non-Vegas team

The Penguins will not get anything close to the haul they’d get from dealing Murray, but they would get something and also keep him. If they can achieve the latter, that’s a win. The former is a bonus.

Given the limited size of the goalie trading market and Fleury’s no-trade clause, realistically, he has to okay any deal. The pool of teams looking for a starting goalie doesn’t make that prospect too optimistic, though.

Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver, Buffalo, Philadelphia and maybe the New York Islanders figure to be in the market. Fleury would probably prefer a team capable of at least competing for the playoffs, which strikes the Canucks and, probably, the Sabres, from the list. It’s highly unlikely the Penguins would trade Fleury within the division, so now we’re down to two teams and the next player who requests a trade to Winnipeg will be the first, even though the Jets could be really good with a consistent goaltender.

Still, working out a deal with anyone is probably the best-case scenario for the Penguins. There just doesn’t seem to be a clear trading partner.

Fleury waives his no-trade clause and is taken by the Knights in the expansion draft

For this to happen, Pittsburgh will have to find some incentive for him to waive the no-movement clause. But what?

With a contract running through the next two seasons, Fleury isn’t yet eligible to sign an extension. So there would be nothing to guarantee Fleury a solid new contract should his play plummet while an expansion team endures its growing pains. And if Fleury has no interest in playing in the desert, this is a non-starter.

Fleury — and Walsh — aren’t just going to give the Penguins a get-out-of-jail-free card for nothing. Fleury needs to get his back scratched somehow. But again, how? That brings us to the most likely end to the impending drama.

Fleury refuses to waive his no-movement clause and is bought out by the Penguins

This is the simplest avenue that has a clear benefit to Fleury and the Penguins. Pittsburgh could protect Murray. Fleury gets paid out in full, gets to handpick his next team and can then make even more money by signing a new deal while two years younger than if he had played out the current deal somewhere.

It wouldn’t be ideal for the Penguins, but it would definitely allow them to avoid the worst-case scenario of losing Murray for nothing. And that’s what this whole exercise is truly about.

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- wolfhounds

Fleury refuses to waive his no-movement clause and is bought out by the Penguins

This is the simplest avenue that has a clear benefit to Fleury and the Penguins. Pittsburgh could protect Murray. Fleury gets paid out in full, gets to handpick his next team and can then make even more money by signing a new deal while two years younger than if he had played out the current deal somewhere.

It wouldn’t be ideal for the Penguins, but it would definitely allow them to avoid the worst-case scenario of losing Murray for nothing. And that’s what this whole exercise is truly about.

I could enjoy the Pens carrying little under 2 million for the next 4 years.

im with you on this one
- Crimsoninja

Shot through the heart crims.

I'd like to know the last time an NHL ref was let go, or the league truly looked at how it officiates the sport.

Its becoming a gong show, and effecting the outcome of games. "Part of the game", is dinosaur talk.
- flyer_nutter

I get hockey is a fast game but 1) there are two out there so get in freaking position and 2) why not allow a play like that be reviewed?

Fleury refuses to waive his no-movement clause and is bought out by the Penguins

This is the simplest avenue that has a clear benefit to Fleury and the Penguins. Pittsburgh could protect Murray. Fleury gets paid out in full, gets to handpick his next team and can then make even more money by signing a new deal while two years younger than if he had played out the current deal somewhere.

It wouldn’t be ideal for the Penguins, but it would definitely allow them to avoid the worst-case scenario of losing Murray for nothing. And that’s what this whole exercise is truly about.

I could enjoy the Pens carrying little under 2 million for the next 4 years.
- nastyflyergirl

It won't impact them badly next year as they'll have to let Bonino walk and will probably lose either Hagelin or Hornqvist via the ED. But when they have new contracts for all of Rust, Sheary, and Guentzel, it could hurt.

I get hockey is a fast game but 1) there are two out there so get in freaking position and 2) why not allow a play like that be reviewed?
- nastyflyergirl

Truthfully, I dont think the league cares.

Its the same reason they will continue to employ guys like Milbury. Gets people talking, and draws attention to the league one way or another.

It won't impact them badly next year as they'll have to let Bonino walk and will probably lose either Hagelin or Hornqvist via the ED. But when they have new contracts for all of Rust, Sheary, and Guentzel, it could hurt.
- jmatchett383

they have difficult decisions to make on defense

It won't impact them badly next year as they'll have to let Bonino walk and will probably lose either Hagelin or Hornqvist via the ED. But when they have new contracts for all of Rust, Sheary, and Guentzel, it could hurt.
- jmatchett383

it will stink but its really too hard to care right now.

I think Fleury will get traded and I wouldnt be surprised if the Pens kept a little salary. I also wouldnt be surprised if Calgary already had a deal in place for him. He has played his role professionally, and I think the Pens will help find a deal that allows him to go somewhere he wants/prefers

they have difficult decisions to make on defense
- YuenglingJagr

schultz needs to be retained. i'd take schultz at 5 over shattenkirk at seven.

daley will go.

hainsey, mercifully, will go.

if they cant work something out with schultz, then yeah. major issues to be addressed

they have difficult decisions to make on defense
- YuenglingJagr

They'll likely keep Schultz with a handshake deal for after the ED. I think Hainsey walks. It's a make-or-break year for Pouliot, otherwise they may have to go with Gaunce or Warofsky. Daley is the tough one.

I think it's poorly worded. When I read "continuous" I think of a player in motion. Scissons was in the process of diving with his stick sweeping towards the puck when it was blown dead. To me, that is "continuous."
- jmatchett383

Its rule interpretation. I was an official for 20 years. We had classes to cover stuff like this. But in fact there were still 2 separate play by 2 different players.

Truthfully, I dont think the league cares.

Its the same reason they will continue to employ guys like Milbury. Gets people talking, and draws attention to the league one way or another.
- flyer_nutter

doesn't NBC employ Milbury?

Filpula has to be protected and will be per Hextall
- dragonoffrost

Ahhhh I knew it didnt look right. Thank you sir.

schultz needs to be retained. i'd take schultz at 5 over shattenkirk at seven.

daley will go.

hainsey, mercifully, will go.

if they cant work something out with schultz, then yeah. major issues to be addressed
- stayinthefnnet

Yeah schultz will be interesting. Every sign points to "this is your chance to make your money" but he could stay at a discount because he enjoys playing there.

I thought dumoulin was one of their best defenders. He doesnt have the point to command something huge, but he is almost out of team control

doesn't NBC employ Milbury?
- Crimsoninja

forget it, he's on a roll....

They'll likely keep Schultz with a handshake deal for after the ED. I think Hainsey walks. It's a make-or-break year for Pouliot, otherwise they may have to go with Gaunce or Warofsky. Daley is the tough one.
- jmatchett383

I think Schultz will get signed/picked if he isnt protected

Fleury refuses to waive his no-movement clause and is bought out by the Penguins

This is the simplest avenue that has a clear benefit to Fleury and the Penguins. Pittsburgh could protect Murray. Fleury gets paid out in full, gets to handpick his next team and can then make even more money by signing a new deal while two years younger than if he had played out the current deal somewhere.

It wouldn’t be ideal for the Penguins, but it would definitely allow them to avoid the worst-case scenario of losing Murray for nothing. And that’s what this whole exercise is truly about.

I could enjoy the Pens carrying little under 2 million for the next 4 years.
- nastyflyergirl

I already have my Flyers number 29 Fleury jersey!

Truthfully, I dont think the league cares.

Its the same reason they will continue to employ guys like Milbury. Gets people talking, and draws attention to the league one way or another.
- flyer_nutter

speaking as someone who watched the 1980 finals, get it right

Yeah schultz will be interesting. Every sign points to "this is your chance to make your money" but he could stay at a discount because he enjoys playing there.

I thought dumoulin was one of their best defenders. He doesnt have the point to command something huge, but he is almost out of team control
- YuenglingJagr

Schultz is an RFA this year so Pens still have some leverage. He's coming off a cap hit of $1.4 million I believe. Played solid for the Pens this year. He kind of just played on a "prove it" deal so i think he'll want to get paid.

I guess you have to determine what a "continuous" play is. Also i don't think the shot was stopped and it bled through. that puck was through quick. If the ref is on the other side or behind the net it's an easy call.

- J35Bacher[url]

The ref was where he was supposed to be on the play. The second ref was on the other side at center ice. Refs will yell out if the puck is loose. But in that arena, they couldn't hear each other to yell.
Bottom line is the ref WAS IN POSITION AND MADE THE CORRECT CALL ACCORDING TO THE RULES.
They then discussed if the puck would have crossed without any additional play and that answer is NO.
Soooooo, right call from the right place and we move on.
Also don't buy the "they called penalties to even things up". Check with Stewie, doesn't work that way.