You say "no matter what sweetener" but I have to disagree. It really only takes one sweetener to give Seabrook value. Chicago retaining salary. Seabrook at 3.5m has tons of value. Even at 4.5m teams would be happy to add him. It's just at 6.875m where his trade value is in the negative.
- Antilles

I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly - anyone?) that retained salary must be applicable to the balance of the contract.

So - in your scenario - $2-$3 MM salary (and cap hit) retained for 7 more years.

Doesn't sound like something a Wirtz (even a Rocky one) would want to do.

Yeah Bob Murray should just lose him in the LV expansion....I know he is in AA but I think even drunk, he will want to get something.


- wiz1901Josh Manson, the leagues next super defender

Not so much that Josh untouchable - but trading him in conference to a team that he would slot perfectly on with a cap hit of 825K - helps the Hawks in 2 areas ... just not smart -

It really is a non issue. (1) There is no talk at all in Vancouver about Seabrooks. (2) Benning has come out publicly and said he is looking for a puck moving Dman and a young center.

(3) There is no Seabrook to Vancouver trade .
- VANTEL

(1) with all due respect, how would you know? Maybe there's no talk amongst your friends or on the Hockeybuzz Canucks board, I'll grant you that, but in the circle that matters - Benning's - you can't say there's no talk.

(2) because GMs never lie or deflect or tell half truths. Sure.

(3) again, with all due respect, you may be correct in the end, but how would you know? You may not like it.. you may not want to think it, but you don't really know what goes on behind closed doors within the Canuck org.

Do I think that a trade will happen? I have no idea, but I have been in business (what the NHL is after all) for a very long time and a whole lot of things get discussed that folks discount publicly, but I have known to be true. As discussions, considered offers - even if it's just to say back, ultimately, no thanks.

(1) with all due respect, how would you know? Maybe there's no talk amongst your friends or on the Hockeybuzz Canucks board, I'll grant you that, but on the circle that matters - Benning's - you can't say there's no talk.

(2) because GMs never lie or deflect or tell half truths. Sure.

(3) again, with all due respect, you may Ben correct in the end, but how would you know? You may not like it.. you may not want to think it, but you don't really know what goes on behind closed doors within the Canuck org.

Do I think that a trade will happen? I have no idea, but I have been in business (what the NHL is after all) for a very long time and a whole lot of things get discussed that folks discount public ally, but I have known to be true. As discussions, considered offers - even if it's just to say back, ultimately, no thanks.
- Marlowe

I tried to be polite but if you want to pull this stuff I will be a little more open. Seabrook's contract sucks and a team rebuilding does not need a slow guy for 7 more years who is aged 32.

Wish all you want but it will never happen.









Oh yeah I forgot "With all due respect"

Thx for the update John...we'll see how it plays out.

Would hate to lose Seabs who's a leader in that room, but they've already tried twice to move CC and no luck. Really interested to see how Stan moves the pieces on the chess board here and what he comes up with. No question this is his toughest summer and biggest challenge.

I tried to be polite but if you want to pull this stuff I will be a little more open, Seabrook's contract sucks and a team rebuilding does not need a slow guy for 7 more years who is aged 32.

Wish all you want but it will never happen.
- VANTEL

Not wishing. Not saying it's going to happen. Just pointing out that just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't being considered. I don't think it really makes sense for Vancouver either but on both sides of the equation there's a whole lot neither of us know! Seabs trade could be (would have to be) just one move that forms part of the bigger picture.

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Grasso @RumorBeeak 10:37 am
#BREAKING - Chicago is shopping Seabrook but no offers on the table. Am told that Canucks, Flames, Stars, Sabres have interest.

Anyone else having flashbacks to Sharp, Crawford of summers past?

(1) with all due respect, how would you know? Maybe there's no talk amongst your friends or on the Hockeybuzz Canucks board, I'll grant you that, but in the circle that matters - Benning's - you can't say there's no talk.

(2) because GMs never lie or deflect or tell half truths. Sure.

(3) again, with all due respect, you may be correct in the end, but how would you know? You may not like it.. you may not want to think it, but you don't really know what goes on behind closed doors within the Canuck org.

Do I think that a trade will happen? I have no idea, but I have been in business (what the NHL is after all) for a very long time and a whole lot of things get discussed that folks discount publicly, but I have known to be true. As discussions, considered offers - even if it's just to say back, ultimately, no thanks.
- Marlowe

The same can absolutely be said on the other side of the coin


Regardless of much you want it to be true, there's a great chance it's all just nonsense and a few people somehow considered insiders are just throwing sh1t against the wall.
It's funny, I've seen it a million times. Some "insider" makes up a deal he thinks makes logistical sense (which is often flat out wrong in itself) and a few other guys latch onto that thought -and soon it's a "rumour "

Of course by strict definition it's a rumour-but there's no actual truth or substance behind it

And using anecdotal evidence about "a whole lot of things" doesnt prove your point.
Far far far more rumours never come true than do. The easy retort here is that it's probably because there was never an ounce of truth to them in the first place.

If you think about the logistics of it all, it's easy to figure how little these guys know despite how they wanna represent themselves. Ek and your guy here are perfect examples. I get it, the rumour game is big business. Us fans love it. Myself included. BUt yeah- it's pretty ridiculous when u think about it.

End of the day, they know only what the gms want them to know, and that's often not much more than joe public. Or rather ten minutes before we do

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The same can absolutely be said on the other side of the coin


Regardless of much you want it to be true, there's a great chance it's all just nonsense and a few people somehow considered insiders are just throwing sh1t against the wall.
It's funny, I've seen it a million times. Some "insider" makes up a deal he thinks makes logistical sense (which is often flat out wrong in itself) and a few other guys latch onto that thought -and soon it's a "rumour "

Of course by strict definition it's a rumour-but there's no truth or substance behind it

And using anecdotal evidence of about "a whole lot of things" does t prove your point.
Far far far more rumours never come true than do. The easy retort here is that it's probably because there was never an ounce of truth to them in the first place.

If you think about the logistics of it all, it's easy to figure how little these guys know despite how they wanna represent themselves. Ek and your guy here are perfect examples.

End of the day, they know only what the gms want them to know, and that's often not much more than joe public. Or rather ten minutes before we do
- HB77

Absolutely! My point was declaring who absolutes (either way) is just wrong. But if you see multiple corroborating data points it does make things more smokey- for lack of a better way to put it - though still just a rumor.

The same can absolutely be said on the other side of the coin


Regardless of much you want it to be true, there's a great chance it's all just nonsense and a few people somehow considered insiders are just throwing sh1t against the wall.
It's funny, I've seen it a million times. Some "insider" makes up a deal he thinks makes logistical sense (which is often flat out wrong in itself) and a few other guys latch onto that thought -and soon it's a "rumour "

Of course by strict definition it's a rumour-but there's no actual truth or substance behind it

And using anecdotal evidence about "a whole lot of things" doesnt prove your point.
Far far far more rumours never come true than do. The easy retort here is that it's probably because there was never an ounce of truth to them in the first place.

If you think about the logistics of it all, it's easy to figure how little these guys know despite how they wanna represent themselves. Ek and your guy here are perfect examples. I get it, the rumour game is big business. Us fans love it. Myself included. BUt yeah- it's pretty ridiculous when u think about it.

End of the day, they know only what the gms want them to know, and that's often not much more than joe public. Or rather ten minutes before we do
- HB77

It's not like you are getting a report later of which rumors were true or false. Even if someone involved denies it later, you don't know if they are telling you the truth. The fact is, the Hawks want to get younger on D and there is interest in Seabrook. There are a lot of teams that can't find a top pair D.

It's not like you are getting a report later of which rumors were true or false. Even if someone involved denies it later, you don't know if they are telling you the truth. The fact is, the Hawks want to get younger on D and there is interest in Seabrook. There are a lot of teams that can't find a top pair D.
- breadbag

Are you assuming truth to my assumption of bs ?

That's crazy- just by sheer numbers alone it's crazy that you'd think that.
They hit like 1/100!!

And even if for argument sake we agree these gms do talk endlessly about deals which they know aren't really plausible (which is silly) - how the eff does joe blow insider know ?
Do they hve his office mic'd?
A mole in the room? How long till said gm figures who it is ? A day?
Or are you under the impression that bowman makes sure to pass along the information on every conversation he has to john jaekals contact??

Cmon- it's all just silly.

Sure- theres logic that the he May want to move seabtook. But that's the only concrete logic here. That's not a rumour. That's just common sense

Yeah Bob Murray should just lose him in the LV expansion....I know he is in AA but I think even drunk, he will want to get something.


- wiz1901Josh Manson, the leagues next super defender

I like Manson, but realistically don't see him as nearly the solid defender in his own end that I suspect others do.

Not saying he wouldn't be a good add (he would), but strictly defensively isn't better than the Hawks current 1-3 IMO

Are you assuming truth to my assumption of bs ?

That's crazy- just by sheer numbers alone it's crazy that you'd think that.
They hit like 1/100!!

And even if for argument sake we agree these gms do talk endlessly about deals which they know aren't really plausible (which is silly) - how the eff does joe blow insider know ?
Do they hve his office mic'd?
A mole in the room? How long till said gm figures who it is ? A day?
Or are you under the impression that bowman makes sure to pass along the information on every conversation he has to john jaekals contact??

Cmon- it's all just silly.

Sure- theres logic that the he May want to move seabtook. But that's the only concrete logic here. That's not a rumour. That's just common sense
- HB77

Just because some people are full of BS, doesn't mean all people are full of BS. Assuming that is silly.

Edit: People know because nothing is done in a vacuum. There are people involved and people do hear things.

Just because some people are full of BS, doesn't mean all people are full of BS. Assuming that is silly.

Edit: People know because nothing is done in a vacuum. There are people involved and people do hear things.
- breadbag

Wait - are you assuming someone (lets say an assistant in the office ) is covertly passing on this info?!
How long till they figure that out and fire him/her you think? I give them a week

I think Seabrook to Toronto makes sense for Toronto. I mentioned on the last blog that imo Toronto reminded me of the 2009 Blackhawks this season. A player with Seabrooks experience would be an asset for a team who could be a Cup contender next season.
- jhawk159

I hope so...
but I can't see anyone taking on that contract

Just because some people are full of BS, doesn't mean all people are full of BS. Assuming that is silly.

Edit: People know because nothing is done in a vacuum. There are people involved and people do hear things.
- breadbag

This is the time of year when I say something like "the Hawks are exploring ways to make a run at Josh Manson"

Which some people can't (frank)ing read and interpret as "the Hawks are serious contenders for Manson"

And they compound their KneeJerk reaction by assuming I, or the people who tell me many (later proven) valid things (like most recently the Hawks being in hard on Rutta), have nothing better to do than make poop up ... in order to inevitably read these comments that completely ignore all possible context.

Every (frank)ing year. LOL

Wait - are you assuming someone (lets say an assistant in the office ) is covertly passing on this info?!
How long till they figure that out and fire him/her you think? I give them a week
- HB77

You are wrong. End of story. Do you know how big an NHL hockey ops Dept is and how leaks work? No.

You are entitled to an opinion. But, you're wrong.

- DarthKane

Tazer's "less gifted" little brother??

Wait - are you assuming someone (lets say an assistant in the office ) is covertly passing on this info?!
How long till they figure that out and fire him/her you think? I give them a week
- HB77

You assume it is so black and white, when there can be truth to the rumors. My point is that you don't really know which rumors are true or not. You assume you can measure that? I'm not saying some people aren't BS, but some people actually have sources that are on the level and more often correct. Is that so difficult to believe?

Even if someone reported a rumor on a trade possibility that didn't happen, it doesn't mean it wasn't discussed. My point is you don't know and you don't have evidence to say the rumors are false or true.

For all we know the Hawks are putting rumors out there for purpose of making another deal.

I think it was said elsewhere by another poster, but no problem with the Hawks being "first into the pool" on making a big move. Staying in contention for a deep run requires a serious shakeup. I hate to see Seabrook or Crawford go, but that is the price with the flat-ish cap.

JJ, thanks for all of the insight. I'm with you that Seabrook has a 2-3 year window of being on "top" of his game and would be a difference maker on a team trying to make the leap and win some playoff series(s).

Who catches the biggest prize in "value for value" trades: Seabrook, Panarin or Crawford?

From Toronto get the 28 Years old Matt Martin for 1 Million Dollars . Save 5.8 million dollars.
- mrpaulish

Martin sucks. Toronto would be thrilled to get rid of him.

Wait - are you assuming someone (lets say an assistant in the office ) is covertly passing on this info?!
How long till they figure that out and fire him/her you think? I give them a week
- HB77

You have a lot more faith in tight shops and the ability to ferrret out leakers than I do. People talk to or in front of all kinds of folks (nannies, barbers, drivers) and have to do things ahead of announcements or as part of investigating deals which requires l doing things and talking to people. The ripples from those things are many times where the leaks happen and rumors start. They are also sometimes intentional trial balloons to gauge public opinion too. No action to take there. Some rumors are accurate, whether they end up with action taken or not. Other rumors are made up out of whole cloth, others may be errors in interpreting ancillary facts or actions or words, or they may be stale.

EDIT: point is I trust JJ

I hope so...
but I can't see anyone taking on that contract
- jdfitz77

Yeah. Seabrook only makes sense for a team that's a Cup contender now and the wimdiw is closing in the next few years. Even for a team like Toronto that does look like they could make a run next year tgat contract drags them down tio much in later years when they should still be cintenders. Could be the next Orpik deal for whoever takes it.

How about something like Seabrook + Anisimov for the twins? How much would the Hawks need to add?
- stonefire

Add? BTW, you would just added about 750K to the Hawks cap.