Canucks and leafs are both trying to rebuild... don't see why either team or any team would trade for a 32 year old defenceman that doesn't put up much offensively with over six years left on his contract getting over 6 million/year
- Kunit

Exactly . He does not fit the bill for us at all. We need points on the back end.

The only way that would work is Seabrook (as a salary dump) Debrincat and this years first.

Seabrook was a great player in his day but now he has a bad contract and is on the down slope.

Don't the hawks get hit with a cap penalty of hossa retires before the end of his contract?

Because . . . as I'VE reported, I don't think it's just "take on his deal for draft picks."

I think the Hawks are adding sweeteners (prospects/young players). And Toronto's rebuild is ahead of Vancouver's, so a guy with Seabrook's experience could be a nice add for a good, young team that's getting closer, like they are.
- John Jaeckel

I think Seabrook to Toronto makes sense for Toronto. I mentioned on the last blog that imo Toronto reminded me of the 2009 Blackhawks this season. A player with Seabrooks experience would be an asset for a team who could be a Cup contender next season.

Don't the hawks get hit with a cap penalty of hossa retires before the end of his contract?
- drummer829

Yes

However, I have also heard that a deal like that worked out with Arizona for Chris Pronger, Hossa going to a floor team and/or on LTIR at some point, is a possibility.

It's already in the CBA the league can step in and check a player out if they are put on LTIR. It's a bit of a pipe dream that the league will let Blackhawks dodge cap re-capture penalties for anything less than a severe (Pronger-esqe) injury happening to Hossa.

Exactly . He does not fit the bill for us at all. We need points on the back end.

The only way that would work is Seabrook (as a salary dump) Debrincat and this years first.

Seabrook was a great player in his day but now he has a bad contract and is on the down slope.
- VANTEL

You need far, far more than points on the back end to compete in the Pacific.

Might as well start with losing the Sedins and Loui Eriksson to start a full fledged crater job. The Canucks are wallowing in what Leaf fans watched for decades.

Seabs won't waive to play there unless he wants semi-retirement.

Exactly . He does not fit the bill for us at all. We need points on the back end.

The only way that would work is Seabrook (as a salary dump) Debrincat and this years first.

Seabrook was a great player in his day but now he has a bad contract and is on the down slope.
- VANTEL

I agree that Seabrook to Vancouver doesn't make sense, but with Benning you never can totally discount a move like this.

Seabrook, Debrincat and a 1st??? Horvat (+) would have to be included for that price.

I agree that Seabrook to Vancouver doesn't make sense, but with Benning you never can totally discount a move like this.

Seabrook, Debrincat and a 1st??? Horvat (+) would have to be included for that price.
- DarthKane

How about something like Seabrook + Anisimov for the twins? How much would the Hawks need to add?

You need far, far more than points on the back end to compete in the Pacific.

Might as well start with losing the Sedins and Loui Eriksson to start a full fledged crater job. The Canucks are wallowing in what Leaf fans watched for decades.

Seabs won't waive to play there unless he wants semi-retirement.
- RickJ

We know we are in for years of pain

I agree that Seabrook to Vancouver doesn't make sense, but with Benning you never can totally discount a move like this.

Seabrook, Debrincat and a 1st??? Horvat (+) would have to be included for that price.
- DarthKane

Exactly There is really no chance of a Chi/ Van deal

I'm not even a leafs fan.... but the the dman they'd be looking for would be one that is younger and can move the puck more importantly one that can contribute offensively for many years eg. Vatanen, Faulk.

No team is going to trade young assets for an aging Brent seabrook that has 7 years left on his deal.... no matter what sweetener the Blackhawks throw in... this years draft is not as deep so these so called sweeteners are even more meaningless...

I'm not even a leafs fan.... but the the dman they'd be looking for would be one that is younger and can move the puck more importantly one that can contribute offensively for many years eg. Vatanen, Faulk.

No team is going to trade young assets for an aging Brent seabrook that has 7 years left on his deal.... no matter what sweetener the Blackhawks throw in... this years draft is not as deep so these so called sweeteners are even more meaningless...
- Kunit

Only problem is Vatanen and faulk aren't going to sell for kapanen+1st. Your going to have to throw worth while assets as those teams (especially carolina) to get those players.

Seabrook would come back "cheaper" assets wise, actually has some pedigree to him, clear cut leader (2013 vs. detroit anyone?), and the coach knows him from some international experience.

How about something like Seabrook + Anisimov for the twins? How much would the Hawks need to add?
- stonefire

I'm not even a leafs fan.... but the the dman they'd be looking for would be one that is younger and can move the puck more importantly one that can contribute offensively for many years eg. Vatanen, Faulk.

No team is going to trade young assets for an aging Brent seabrook that has 7 years left on his deal.... no matter what sweetener the Blackhawks throw in... this years draft is not as deep so these so called sweeteners are even more meaningless...
- Kunit

You say "no matter what sweetener" but I have to disagree. It really only takes one sweetener to give Seabrook value. Chicago retaining salary. Seabrook at 3.5m has tons of value. Even at 4.5m teams would be happy to add him. It's just at 6.875m where his trade value is in the negative.

How about something like Seabrook + Anisimov for the twins? How much would the Hawks need to add?
- stonefire

The Hawks need to get younger and faster! Not older and slower!

I'm not even a leafs fan.... but the the dman they'd be looking for would be one that is younger and can move the puck more importantly one that can contribute offensively for many years eg. Vatanen, Faulk.

No team is going to trade young assets for an aging Brent seabrook that has 7 years left on his deal.... no matter what sweetener the Blackhawks throw in... this years draft is not as deep so these so called sweeteners are even more meaningless...
- Kunit

By "sweeteners" I believe JJ meant more than picks. Hawks have some pretty nice prospects too.

Exactly There is really no chance of a Chi/ Van deal
- VANTEL

As long as Benning is around I wouldn't say there is no chance.

I agree that they are unlikely trade partners.

Exactly . He does not fit the bill for us at all. We need points on the back end.

The only way that would work is Seabrook (as a salary dump) Debrincat and this years first.

Seabrook was a great player in his day but now he has a bad contract and is on the down slope.
- VANTEL

In my book Vantel if the cost of seabs going to Vancouver is Debrincat. I say Great !!
as long as the return is equitable and helps the Hawks. Debrincat is to
small for the NHL in my opinion

Anyone else heartened that this year Stan seems to be active earlier than most other recent post seasons? Not just because they are out earlier either, I think.

In my book Vantel if the cost of seabs going to Vancouver is Debrincat. I say Great !!
as long as the return is equitable and helps the Hawks. Debrincat is to
small for the NHL in my opinion
- mmurray892

It really is a non issue. There is no talk at all in Vancouver about Seabrooks. Benning has come out publicly and said he is looking for a puck moving Dman and a young center.

There is no Seabrook to Vancouver trade .

Leafs trade chips would be van riemsdyk, kapanen and their 1st round pick for this year.... which in any combination prolly won't get them Justin Faulk but vatanen more possible considering ducks may have an expansion draft dilemma...

Someone referred to seabrooks play from 2013 as if it holds the same value today as it did 4 years ago...I have no problem with seabrook as a player... I'm sure he's a great leader.... but in my opinion for any team to take on his contract, the Blackhawks would have to take back another toxic contract such as eg Dustin brown or Ryan callahan

You say "no matter what sweetener" but I have to disagree. It really only takes one sweetener to give Seabrook value. Chicago retaining salary. Seabrook at 3.5m has tons of value. Even at 4.5m teams would be happy to add him. It's just at 6.875m where his trade value is in the negative.
- Antilles

On a non cap-strapped team looking to get younger, that makes complete sense. The 'Hawks are close to $4M over last years' cap as it stands today, IIRC. And I am not sure what increase there will be at all, escalator?

If the Ducks are stupid enough to even consider trading Josh to the Hawks- Bob Murray should be fired on the spot -

What happened to Josh Manson?
- RickJ

I find it laughable that the Blackhawks move to the front of the line to acquire either Chris Tanev or Manson.

Vanc. GM Benning said Tanev goes for "steep price."

The guy is at best a 4th defender and his contract 4.45 mil is MORE than HAMMER makes?

Someone try and convince that this 27 year old is any improvement or close to equal to Hammer, let alone Seabrook. And whatya tellling Hammer in two years, to not ask for more?

Manson, has a steep price by virtue of the fact he is the odd man out with Ducks, and every team will be calling.

I don't need any one here to lecture me on the Cap relief justifies acquiring either.

There is more sense in Max Pacioretty (not on the market) or Alex Galchenyuk,who is...because at least you are getting higher upside return, and even though it is less Cap relief you bettered your chances of be more effective offensively.

Would Tanev or Manson have made some appreciable difference againt the Predators in the firts round? They gonna oil the offense.

If Las Vegas is so bent on veteran Cup leadership, convince Seabrook to go there. (yeah he'll do that!)

If heavy core contract goes they are getting a younger difference maker not inflated bloated return.

hell, call Tampa.
or (gulp) Toronto (seabs has a 3rd plce a cabin near there, right?)
Nylander's son is the odd man out in a few when it comes time to pay Matthews & Marner

If the Ducks are stupid enough to even consider trading Josh to the Hawks- Bob Murray should be fired on the spot -
- dozerD10

Yeah Bob Murray should just lose him in the LV expansion....I know he is in AA but I think even drunk, he will want to get something.

Josh Manson, the leagues next super defender