Any goalie would look like poop with that defense and discos system infront of him
- feetontheair22

I thought bylsma's system was too defensive, wasn't getting the d involved and thats why they werent scoring as much?


so which is it?

I'm glad your not our GM, Why does he have to be moved for a pick? If a team has interest in him, why can't we trade him for a RFA from the other team that would help us?
- macman9

What RFA are you hoping for here though? In terms of players you'd prolly get a bottom 6 guy or a salary dump. I'd take the 2nd to build our prospect pool up again or throw in to a trade for a top defenseman

I thought bylsma's system was too defensive, wasn't getting the d involved and thats why they werent scoring as much?


so which is it?
- Sabresfan-365

I heard his system was just trash. Like even future HOFer Iginla said it was just impossible to understand.

I heard his system was just trash. Like even future HOFer Iginla said it was just impossible to understand.
- Jammerz04

I believe it was but the question marks around lehner have to do with things you would see more of if the team was more offensive.

Lehner and Kane for Landy and Pickard

Is this a trick question ? i'd take a can of oil for him.

Lehner and Kane for Landy and Pickard
- TheSabresTaco

wait....no

I heard his system was just trash. Like even future HOFer Iginla said it was just impossible to understand.
- Jammerz04

The other day, carlo colaiacovo was on WGR talking to Peters and Rivet... Bylsma's system was brought up on Monday, he said something along the lines of Dan's system that he tried to implement didnt fit the players that are on the team., that they couldnt play it.

wait....no

- DDM-Coga

I'd bash you for taco assualt, but that's a vegetarian taco, so by all means..

The better question would be, "who would trade a 2nd rounder for Lehner?"

A year ago I think a number of teams might have pulled the trigger. But now?

What RFA are you hoping for here though? In terms of players you'd prolly get a bottom 6 guy or a salary dump. I'd take the 2nd to build our prospect pool up again or throw in to a trade for a top defenseman
- Jammerz04

There are teams out there that are up against the cap, but need to get better in goal, They may be willing to part with a young, improving player at a position where that team has an abundance of players that they can afford to move. it doesn't have to be a bottom of the barrel type of player.

tender a qualifying offer and see if we can get comp picks out of it?

Lehner and Kane for Landy and Pickard
- TheSabresTaco

No thanks.

Landeskog's numbers have been going down regularly for the last 3 seasons. Only one I'm interested in from Colorado is Mackinnon.

Take a 2nd and run.

Lehner is 54th out of 58 goalies over the last 3 years with 2500+ 5v5 mins in GSAA per 60.

Take the 2nd

Take a 2nd and run.

Lehner is 54th out of 58 goalies over the last 3 years with 2500+ 5v5 mins in GSAA per 60.
- Feds91Stammer

I'm not one for fancy stats but what the hell is this?

How can one goalie be that low in one category but nobody who faced the same amount or more shots than him in the regular season had a better save percentage than him?

As a matter of fact he was 7th in the league in save percentages of goaltenders that faced 1200 or more shots with only

Bob, Dubs, Price, Gibson, Murray and Holtby having a better save percentage

I'm not one for fancy stats but what the hell is this?

How can one goalie be that low in one category but nobody who faced the same amount or more shots than him in the regular season had a better save percentage than him?

As a matter of fact he was 7th in the league in save percentages of goaltenders that faced 1200 or more shots with only

Bob, Dubs, Price, Gibson, Murray and Holtby having a better save percentage
- Stripes77

http://ingoalmag.com/anal...c-evaluating-goaltenders/

What GSAA Does Well

It is a very good stat at equalizing goalies across the league, regardless of the team that they play for. For example, a goalie that has a .925 save percentage and has faced a lot more shots than average is actually playing better than a goalie that has a .930 save percentage and has faced less shots. The first goalie has faced more scoring opportunities, and has saved more goals from going in based on their quality of play.
It tells you how much a team relies on their goaltending to win games. If a team gives up a lot of shots, but their goalie is continually bailing them out, their goalie will have a very high GSAA number. Those teams are more likely to struggle if their goalie goes into a slump or gets injured. Teams that succeed despite having a goaltender that is in the middle of the pack (or worse) in GSAA are actually more stable, because if their goalie slumps or gets injured, they still have a very good chance to win using a replacement netminder.
It gives you a physical number of goals saved, rather than a percentage. It’s a stat that can be very shocking. For example, Ben Bishop has saved almost 24 goals from being scored on the Tampa Bay Lightning in 44 games. A number that large will draw a lot of attention. It is a great stat to prove Bishop’s worth to the Lightning. 24 goals saved is a VERY significant number.

What GSAA Does Not Do Well

Goalies that play more games will accumulate more goals saved. If the stat was expressed as GSAA/per 60 minutes, it would be even more accurate. You would have to turn it into a percentage, though. Only goalies that have played a certain number of games would be able to qualify.
It does not take penalty killing into account. On average this season in the NHL, goalies have seen a 4.4% drop in save percentage while on the penalty kill compared to even strength. This is a major problem for some goalies that play for a team that is constantly killing penalties. Undisciplined teams will have goalies with a lower save percentage and a lower GSAA as a result.
It does not take fatigue into account. Saves that are made after the 30 shot mark should be worth more, because goalies that face more shots than the league average will be more tired, and will make less saves due to the poor quality of the team in front of them giving up more scoring attempts.
It also does not take shot quality into account. This can be related to the number of penalties a certain team commits, or even a team’s quality of defence, but that would be very difficult for any statistic to quantify.
GSAA is definitely not a perfect statistic, but it is one of the best ones available at the moment when it comes to analyzing goaltenders. It has flaws, but it is more accurate than save percentage and should become more widely used.

Take a 2nd and run.

Lehner is 54th out of 58 goalies over the last 3 years with 2500+ 5v5 mins in GSAA per 60.
- Feds91Stammer

The high danger save percentage is the killer. 2nd last among goalies with 50 or more games played.


Greiss, who they could've had in FA that same year they acquired lehner, was fourth

http://ingoalmag.com/analysis/gsaa-essential-statistic-evaluating-goaltenders/
- Feds91Stammer

So what you're telling me that a goaltender who has faced more shots but has a lower save percentage than a certain player that has faced less shots is playing better if the difference isn't that substantial?

Like in the example used.

Did you know Lehner faced the most shots in the league last year?

The high danger save percentage is the killer. 2nd last among goalies with 50 or more games played.


Greiss, who they could've had in FA that same year they acquired lehner, was fourth
- Sabresfan-365

This stat is useless if you're saying Greiss is a better goalie

Greiss's save percentage was .913 facing 1,453 shots
Lehner's sace percentage was .920 facing 1,910 shots

This stat is useless if you're saying Greiss is a better goalie

Greiss's save percentage was .913 facing 1,453 shots
Lehner's sace percentage was .920 facing 1,910 shots
- Stripes77

Greiss is a better goalie. Stop using raw save percentage.

This stat is useless if you're saying Greiss is a better goalie

Greiss's save percentage was .913 facing 1,453 shots
Lehner's sace percentage was .920 facing 1,910 shots
- Stripes77

he stopped more dangerous shots than lehner did. How is that useless?

So what you're telling me that a goaltender who has faced more shots but has a lower save percentage than a certain player that has faced less shots is playing better if the difference isn't that substantial?

Like in the example used.

Did you know Lehner faced the most shots in the league last year?
- Stripes77

Well he hasn't faced the most shots over the last 3 years... which I use as a larger more accurate sample size...

he stopped more dangerous shots than lehner did. How is that useless?
- Sabresfan-365

Because raw save percentage