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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 2:11 PM ET
They aren't remotely the same

Over the past two years

O'Reilly - 115 points
Okposo - 107 points
Kane- 78 points
Hell, Reinhart has 90

I like Kane's play for the most part (when he is on his game) but he's 6th on a bottom 5 team in points over the past two years, and we want to give him 6 mil?

- sbroads24

guess you ignored the part where I listed 5 on 5 points for the last 2 years

ror was behind kane and reinhart


but I get it, it's tough to swallow a pill

for years you say special teams don't matter much, but


kane
.46666 points per game even strength as a sabre (last 2 years)

ror
.4615 points per game even strength as a sabre (last 2 years)

sam reinhart
.3924 points per game even strength as a sabre (last 2 years)

jack eichel
.4788 points per game even strength as a sabre (last 2 years)


okposo
.3384 points per game even strength as a sabre last year


Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:12 PM ET
They probably would, but two things

A. You can say that for most wingers, and can find a guy to ride shotgun with an elite center for a good price
B. He's historically had issues finding chemistry with ALL centers. He was moved constantly in WPG, and it's been the same here.

If he was already locked up for the next 3 years at 5 mil, this isn't even a discussion, unless they desperately want him gone

- sbroads24



A. Not all wingers can both pot the puck and bust guys up on the boards.

B. Can't blame the shuffling here on Kane. He had pretty good chemistry with Eichel but Disco couldn't resist tinkering with everybody.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jun 6 @ 2:12 PM ET
Because you are, nothing's going to clean that.
- gordong



(frank) 4 real ? worst day ever
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:14 PM ET
(frank) 4 real ? worst day ever
- GERBE!!!75PTS




Oh, it will get better, believe me.
EugenesAxe
Location: G-Town, ON
Joined: 02.18.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:14 PM ET
Evander Kane for Jake Muzzin? Jake Muzzin of LA King and Team Canada? That Jake Muzzin?

Jake Muzzin is a good D man. Signed for three more years at a relatively cheap rate of 4 million per year. You ain't getting Jake Muzzin for the injury prone, erratic, soon to be UFA Evander Kane. That is just wishful thinking
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 2:14 PM ET


Oh, it will get better, believe me.

- Der Kaiser

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 6 @ 2:17 PM ET
guess you ignored the part where I listed 5 on 5 points for the last 2 years

ror was behind kane and reinhart


but I get it, it's tough to swallow a pill

for years you say special teams don't matter much, but


kane
.46666 points per game even strength as a sabre (last 2 years)

ror
.4615 points per game even strength as a sabre (last 2 years)

sam reinhart
.3924 points per game even strength as a sabre (last 2 years)

jack eichel
.4788 points per game even strength as a sabre (last 2 years)


okposo
.3384 points per game even strength as a sabre last year

- homiedclown


Points per game is awfully convenient when talking about a guy who missing many games every year.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:18 PM ET
The sheik he drove his Cadillac
He went cruisin down the ville
Muzzin was standing on the radiator grille.

The Bedouin they brought out, their electric camel drum,
the local guitar picker got his guitar picking thumb
As soon as the shariff cleared the square, they began to wail.

- Der Kaiser


shareef don't like it,

Rock the Casbah
Rock the Casbah
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:18 PM ET
Points per game is awfully convenient when talking about a guy who missing many games every year.
- sbroads24


Joel Armia has turned into a pretty darn fine 4th liner.
LandlordTom
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ice girls, please, NY
Joined: 07.16.2011

Jun 6 @ 2:19 PM ET
Points per game is awfully convenient when talking about a guy who missing many games every year.
- sbroads24

And comparing total points over 2 years without pointing out how many games were played by the players is awfully convenient, too (see p. 1)
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:19 PM ET
I would be in favor of offering pretty much anyone up to see what offers we get. I am a lifetime fan and I have never felt so little connection to so many players ever. Eichel and that's it. I would be happy to see offers for anyone else at this point.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:19 PM ET

- homiedclown



Let's not make baseball out to be any more important than it really is. It's just a diversion that keeps us from pondering our own personal hells. So what do you say, folks? How about we kill another 3 hours on our slow and painful march to the grave? All right, top of the 1st. We should have a good one here this afternoon.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:22 PM ET
Hey man how's it going! Sorry to just jump in here ,but there was talk about Kane and Vancouver possibly being a landing spot? Do you think Tanev would be the answer? personally I think Minnesota has been a great trading partner with Buffalo! So maybe a trade to be made there?and or Winnipeg? What says you :thumbsup. S. Besides they have better dmen imho
- MR.Hunter


wtf
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 6 @ 2:24 PM ET
And comparing total points over 2 years without pointing out how many games were played by the players is awfully convenient, too (see p. 1)
- LandlordTom

So what is the most important thing then for today? 5 on 5 scoring I guess?

So Cody Franson had the same 5 on 5 point totals as Ristolainen, so I assume, give him 5 mil per year?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 2:24 PM ET
Points per game is awfully convenient when talking about a guy who missing many games every year.
- sbroads24

they all missed games



cept reinhart

again
Kane, has more points per game even strength as a sabre than ror and okpos, 2 players we locked up long term



JESUS CHRIST


the guy who shows up, does his job and accepts his spot as a 3rd liner is gionta, another guy people want gone
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 2:26 PM ET
So what is the most important thing then for today? 5 on 5 scoring I guess?

So Cody Franson had the same 5 on 5 point totals as Ristolainen, so I assume, give him 5 mil per year?

- sbroads24

Special teams don't matter much
-sbroads24
MR.Hunter
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.22.2016

Jun 6 @ 2:26 PM ET
Let's not make baseball out to be any more important than it really is. It's just a diversion that keeps us from pondering our own personal hells. So what do you say, folks? How about we kill another 3 hours on our slow and painful march to the grave? All right, top of the 1st. We should have a good one here this afternoon.
- Der Kaiser

MR.Hunter
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.22.2016

Jun 6 @ 2:27 PM ET
wtf
- Der Kaiser

Wtf wtf? ...oh shat I see
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 6 @ 2:27 PM ET
they all missed games



cept reinhart

again
Kane, has more points per game even strength as a sabre than ror and okpos, 2 players we locked up long term




JESUS CHRIST


the guy who shows up, does his job and accepts his spot as a 3rd liner is gionta, another guy people want gone

- homiedclown

Good for him. If you want to believe that he is better than ROR and Okposo, great.

Kane does **1** thing well, score 5 on 5 goals. It's pretty damn important, but not the only thing that should be considered.

Again, if he was already signed, this wouldn't be a discussion
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 2:29 PM ET

So Cody Franson had the same 5 on 5 point totals as Ristolainen, so I assume, give him 5 mil per year?

- sbroads24

I'd rather bring back Franson on a 1 year deal to play with guhle, then gorges or bogo


but I doubt we move both
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 6 @ 2:29 PM ET


Again, if he was already signed, this wouldn't be a discussion

- sbroads24

you have been dogging him since we moved armia and myers


so I doubt it wouldn't be a discussion

Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:30 PM ET
Good for him. If you want to believe that he is better than ROR and Okposo, great.

Kane does **1** thing well, score 5 on 5 goals. It's pretty damn important, but not the only thing that should be considered.

Again, if he was already signed, this wouldn't be a discussion

- sbroads24


You're letting the bias get the better of you again.
MR.Hunter
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.22.2016

Jun 6 @ 2:32 PM ET
wtf
- Der Kaiser

ya I franked that up pretty good! I couldn't edit so I scrap it was it belonged!
Woolywolf
Calgary Flames
Location: BC
Joined: 01.21.2014

Jun 6 @ 2:32 PM ET
In a heartbeat
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:32 PM ET
you have been dogging him since we moved armia and myers


so I doubt it wouldn't be a discussion

- homiedclown


Wings tonight. Finally.

It's been a hell a time since before Memorial Day.
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