I actually did a mock of all the teams on CapFriendly's ED site the other night and got to the floor fairly easily, even picking the younger, less established set and not taking a guy who is likely on the move before the draft (Vatanen/Fowler/Lindholm, for example). Adding in a few enticements (Dallas paying to lose a goalie), but I didn't go crazy with that either. It's a fun little site I spend too much time on. I always seem to end up d-man/goalie heavy, with not as many forwards.

I do agree Husso has passed Binnington on the potential chart in the last year, but Binnington is still likely the team's #3 goalie if he doesn't get chosen, with Husso getting heavy AHL minutes this upcoming season. After that, who knows, Hutton is only signed for next year. Goaltenders are currency in expansion drafts, though...which is why I could see Vegas taking a bunch and then flipping them for other players later.

I would probably be ok with losing Binnington over Jaskin. But rather have Binnington than Magnus. Maybe the new coaching staff can get Jaskin being the big body we need. (Coach Otter's pet project, perhaps?)

I'd rather be out from under Bouwmeester, and would spend a mid-round pick, if George McPhee gave me a ring...
- Firebrand

Good call, it is surprisingly easy to get to the floor. I was thinking the floor was somewhere around 20 mil under the cap. If I were Mcphee I'd be looking at Jaskin or Binnington unless there was a sweetener with Lehtera.

No need to get out from under Bowmeester just yet. Even if you want to promote Edmundson to the top pair, you still create a hole on the left side middle pair.

Binnington has never been ahead of Allen.


- carcus

You are right who needs empirical evidence.

Binnington fell behind Husso by a long way this year

he is expendable

Blues would be happy to lose binnington if it meant they get to keep Jaskin and Paajarvi
- sycsam

Obviously. I did not say anything to the contrary that is written here, merely that Binnington hasn't always sucked and it might be due to Corsi's effect. I do not care if the Blues lose him.

I actually did a mock of all the teams on CapFriendly's ED site the other night and got to the floor fairly easily, even picking the younger, less established set and not taking a guy who is likely on the move before the draft (Vatanen/Fowler/Lindholm, for example). Adding in a few enticements (Dallas paying to lose a goalie), but I didn't go crazy with that either. It's a fun little site I spend too much time on. I always seem to end up d-man/goalie heavy, with not as many forwards.

I do agree Husso has passed Binnington on the potential chart in the last year, but Binnington is still likely the team's #3 goalie if he doesn't get chosen, with Husso getting heavy AHL minutes this upcoming season. After that, who knows, Hutton is only signed for next year. Goaltenders are currency in expansion drafts, though...which is why I could see Vegas taking a bunch and then flipping them for other players later.

I would probably be ok with losing Binnington over Jaskin. But rather have Binnington than Magnus. Maybe the new coaching staff can get Jaskin being the big body we need. (Coach Otter's pet project, perhaps?)

I'd rather be out from under Bouwmeester, and would spend a mid-round pick, if George McPhee gave me a ring...
- Firebrand

After what Magnus showed and his willingness to play tougher and given his age, likely got injured, plus his speed... No way I would give up on him soon.

Good call, it is surprisingly easy to get to the floor. I was thinking the floor was somewhere around 20 mil under the cap. If I were Mcphee I'd be looking at Jaskin or Binnington unless there was a sweetener with Lehtera.

No need to get out from under Bowmeester just yet. Even if you want to promote Edmundson to the top pair, you still create a hole on the left side middle pair.
- fattyboubatty

After Yeo took over JayBo got back to being a highly effective player and making his cap hit a great value to the team. While I have long been a proponent of Edmundson, I still think he has development to attain. He could be a better checker versus relying on the cross check so much. Of course with having had a back injury he might not yet have gained full confidence in its use and so you do not not see him use his body more.

You are right who needs empirical evidence.

- BluemanGuruu

Please provide the evidence of Binnington over Allen.

Please provide the evidence of Binnington over Allen.


- carcus

I gather from your response you have indicated an error in your reading. Go back to what I wrote and then prove I was completely mistaken.

I did not use present tense.

What I am interested in is the time period when the Blues had a ton of injuries, needed to win, played good teams in big games with what were thought as AHLers who led the team offensively during this time.

Because Agostino and Megan had huge offensive seasons down low and proved they could play at the NHL level. Was it a fluke? They both appeared to have better than average NHL speed. The Blues have got to start cutting some fat and embrace going younger as their younger core "ages" and this "newer" game evolves. If the Blues lose, Gunnarsson, which is most likely, that is a great thing. But they also need to move on from some other players, such as Lehtera. No matter how you slice it, no matter how much better he played in the play offs his speed is his issue first and foremost. The faster the opponent the worse he looks. He is a battler and I appreciate his skill set, but it bears no relationshipto his cost.

There are other forwards as well. Though I love Stastny and at the time the signing was correct his hit is a killer with his inability to stay healthy. BUT, perhaps he rights that wrong with a significantly cheaper extension? Or plays a great contract year?

But Barbs has proven to be a great replacement over Lehtera.

There are no reasons to continue with the fourth line. Better to imitate the Rangers and use it to place some talent that can move up and down in the line up as young players grow and deal with consistency. Do not even ask for energy from straight up checking but how about goals or creating? Hell I would consider Perron and Berglund fourth liners if you bring up players like Megan and Agostino.

The Blues have the young offensive dmen coming along, the young players with skill and speed, time to change the complexion of the team and get the speed out that is necessary in this ever evolving game.

How about speed and hard hitting? A great defensive team who has a deadly transition game? There are too many slow players on the team who are average to less than average that require essentially grinding to slow the game down.

The Blues also need players with the creativity and the speed to fake a pass to the point and use that to create space down low and reopen up their point men when the forwards then become weary of cheating to the point men.

I gather from your response you have indicated an error in your reading. Go back to what I wrote and then prove I was completely mistaken.

I did not use present tense.


- BluemanGuruu

Binnington has never been better than Allen. Never.

Binnington has never been better than Allen. Never.
- carcus

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=106592


http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=121736

First full season or heck first two as pros or AHL seasons. Pretty sure it shows numbers indicating what I said.

Now if I was bored enough I could pull out a number of quotes further supporting my statement as regards how the Blues felt some years ago. I could even pull some scouting information.

This does not mean right now it means during their development. Of course Allen got better and better and Jordan has regressed. But my question is how much was the Corsi effect?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=106592


http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=121736

First full season or heck first two as pros or AHL seasons. Pretty sure it shows numbers indicating what I said.

Now if I was bored enough I could pull out a number of quotes further supporting my statement as regards how the Blues felt some years ago. I could even pull some scouting information.

This does not mean right now it means during their development. Of course Allen got better and better and Jordan has regressed. But my question is how much was the Corsi effect?
- BluemanGuruu

Interesting comparison. I would just hate for Binnington to be LV's Blues pick, then watch him flipped to the Hawks to serve as their backup goalie, haunting us for years and years. I think that might depend on the other goalies out there for LV to claim, but Binnington is in that next tier if Raanta and Grubauer aren't there for LV to take.

I have to say, I was hoping for more activity after the finals wrapped up. It's like the cone of silence has descended upon the NHL and nothing much interesting is leaking out. Missing leveraging interest in the sport, methinks...the NFL does that so well with the draft.