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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 2 @ 8:59 PM ET
Very well said!
I especially liked where you compared him to trump (cause Jimmy loves him some emogi's)

- camfor


I edited it to make my point more clear for he who's name we shall not mention.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 2 @ 9:01 PM ET
WTF?



So then every player in the league is the same and it is all out of their control?

- Aetherial


Well yeah, I mean, if they get unlucky in a game or the other teams get really lucky which apparently happens frequently.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 2 @ 9:01 PM ET
I said this a few months ago.

Tanner is EXACTLY like Trump.

- Aetherial


Bigly
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 2 @ 9:02 PM ET
Great post. What happened to the mantra of the analytic heads of trust the process?
- MJL


Always remember the golden rule advanced stats.

Reality - Advanced Stats = luck + you don't understand


It is impossible to debate with idiots who won't acknowledge facts and who just use "luck" to explain away the constant failures of their theory.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 2 @ 9:03 PM ET
Well yeah, I mean, if they get unlucky in a game or the other teams get really lucky which apparently happens frequently.
- Rinosaur


a player's shooting percentage is completely out of their control.

I am going to attend a bunch of NHL camps as a walk on and hope I just get lucky shots and sign a huge contract
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 2 @ 9:57 PM ET
I said this a few months ago.

Tanner is EXACTLY like Trump.

- Aetherial

Except Trump is thinner, has better hair, and owns his own home.
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Jun 2 @ 9:59 PM ET
Except Trump is thinner, has better hair, and owns his own home.
- Atomic Wedgie


And has a lot of debt and his business is highly leveraged. So prob no on that last point
Newgod77
Boston Bruins
Location: IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Jun 2 @ 11:16 PM ET
So Ovechkin just needs to be luckier in the playoffs. Got it.
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 2 @ 11:22 PM ET
Doing a MTL GM series starting in 15 mins heres the link https://www.twitch.tv/fef1f0fum ty for the Sup.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 2 @ 11:32 PM ET
Except Trump is thinner, has better hair, and owns his own home.
- Atomic Wedgie




Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 2 @ 11:33 PM ET
So Ovechkin just needs to be luckier in the playoffs. Got it.
- Newgod77


Yes, his shooting percentage is entirely out of his control.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 3 @ 3:28 AM ET
Except Trump is thinner, has better hair, and owns his own home.
- Atomic Wedgie


Fake news
Thorny
Location: OH
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jun 3 @ 9:29 AM ET
You are pretty much are the Donald Trump of bloggers.

1) Aside from never admitting you're wrong when people clearly prove you're wrong, you'll argue around their point without ever acknowledging the valid point they've made. You know who does this? TRUMP!


2) You seem to get some sort of weird enjoyment from telling people they're wrong, stupid, moronic, etc... The hockeybuzz is far from writing for an actual publication of any sort, but you do not carry yourself with any sort of professionalism. You know who does this? TRUMP!

3) It's either your way or it's wrong. The frequency in which you tell people how you know more, you're smarter than or just have a better understanding is frankly troubling. You know who does this? TRUMP!


4) You throw temper tantrums. You know who does this? TRUMP!


5) You're not nearly as smart or educated as you like to portray. You know who does this? TRUMP!


Just because EK has allowed you to be a blogger on here doesn't make you an expert in any sense of the word. Actually, the fact he has you as a blogger puts into question his hiring abilities.

- Rinosaur



Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 3 @ 9:32 AM ET
My wife came home early from a business trip last night - caught me banging a hooker in our bedroom.

She was mad until I explained to her that being faithful to a wife is the one thing a husband has no control over. She understood.

Advanced stats for the win!
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jun 3 @ 10:30 AM ET
I really don't see the issue here to be honest. Ovi has been the best goal scorer of his era and more than likely the best of all time.

This year was pretty clear that he was taking it easy all year to save it for the playoffs, then he was playing hurt after this knee on knee from Kadri.

The guy has the ability to put up 50+ goals every year, I say put him in the position to do that. You want the OVI who is the best player in the world, not the one who is saving it for the playoffs.

Caps still have a contending team, keep building and go for a cup again. It's that simple
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 3 @ 10:40 AM ET
T-roll
A-nalytics
N-arcissistic
N-onsense
E-rroneous
R-andom
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jun 3 @ 11:16 AM ET
What is this opinion based upon?

Have you ever attended a Capitals practice?

How could you possibly come to this conclusion?

- Atomic Wedgie


Because I have been around hockey players and they always say the grinders are way better than you think. So much of what star players do is based on their ability to find open ice.

All I am saying is that when you don't have a 200 lbs defenseman trying to kill you, all NHL players are pretty skilled in the shooting and the passing. I don't think this is would be controversial, but actually pretty obvious. One of my best friends grew up playing on a team with Daniel Carcillo , and even though in the NHL he was a fighter, he was still the best hockey player any of those guys knew.

James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jun 3 @ 11:19 AM ET
James, you repeat once again that the Caps are "the best team in the NHL" and simply unlucky in the playoffs, then go on to list several ways that you'd improve the team, from replacing Trotz to giving Ovechkin a better winger and more ice time. If they're the "best team in the NHL" and simply unlucky, why change anything? Changing something might inadvertently make them a worse team and, if they're just unlucky, then their luck should change if they just keep doing the same thing. If you really believed that they're the best team and only unlucky, you'd be advocating not changing a thing. You're trying to have it both ways, though. You want to believe that they're the best team because that would validate your hockey theories while also wanting to show how you would do things differently as GM. You're not consistent.
- Osprey


The Capitals were the best team over the last 164 games - i'd love to hear how they're not.

But that doesn't mean they don't need to make some tweaks - they'll be forced to by free agency.

As for the coach, I just don't like him - his post playoff loss press conference was weak and i'd fire him for it.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jun 3 @ 11:23 AM ET
I said this a few months ago.

Tanner is EXACTLY like Trump.

- Aetherial



The irony is that the people saying this are the guys who don't back up their opinions with arguments and jump right to being condescending and insulting as a way to try and win an argument.

I back up everything I say with facts and logic, so that's hardly Trump-like.
Thorny
Location: OH
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jun 3 @ 1:16 PM ET
The Capitals were the best team over the last 164 games - i'd love to hear how they're not.
- James_Tanner



The fact that they haven't made a conference final the last two years, says they are not. Isn't the ultimate goal to win the Cup? Washington was 7-6 in their last 13 games played, that doesn't seem like the best team to me. 0 goal differential, again...that doesn't seem like the best to me. 2016 they were 6-6 in their last 12 games, seems when the stakes were the highest and the most important, Washington was pretty average.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 3 @ 1:32 PM ET
Because I have been around hockey players and they always say the grinders are way better than you think. So much of what star players do is based on their ability to find open ice.

All I am saying is that when you don't have a 200 lbs defenseman trying to kill you, all NHL players are pretty skilled in the shooting and the passing. I don't think this is would be controversial, but actually pretty obvious. One of my best friends grew up playing on a team with Daniel Carcillo , and even though in the NHL he was a fighter, he was still the best hockey player any of those guys knew.

- James_Tanner

This is absurdly flawed logic.

Jay Beagle is 100X the hockey player I am. No doubt about it.

The above statement has absolutely no relevance to a comparison between Ovi and Beagle.

And let's be honest, Tanner: you don't hang with NHL players. Cut the poop.

You really are the gift that keeps on giving.
Johnotron
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Claremont, ON
Joined: 02.18.2011

Jun 3 @ 2:15 PM ET
Not really relevant to these boards, but tanner has your opinion of murray and carlyle changed in any way with the ducks making it to the conference finals?
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jun 3 @ 2:22 PM ET
I said this a few months ago.

Tanner is EXACTLY like Trump.

- Aetherial

So he is making blogging great again. Good job then tanner!
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Jun 3 @ 2:25 PM ET
T-roll
A-nalytics
N-arcissistic
N-onsense
E-rroneous
R-andom

- gergeswillems







rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 3 @ 3:26 PM ET
This is absurdly flawed logic.

Jay Beagle is 100X the hockey player I am. No doubt about it.

The above statement has absolutely no relevance to a comparison between Ovi and Beagle.

And let's be honest, Tanner: you don't hang with NHL players. Cut the poop.

You really are the gift that keeps on giving.

- Atomic Wedgie



I've played at a pretty high level of hockey when I was younger, not that anyone cares , but one huge difference between pros vs. others is their anticipation, and patience. The reason I mention this is b/c of Tanner's comparison of Beagle to Ovi.

Ovi vs. Beagle or any top flight scorer vs. a Beagle , or any other player like him is that the goal scorer takes that xtra split second to wait for opening to shoot, or to change their shooting angle (i.e. ..toe drag, etc). Those slight changes in shooting angles completely change the the % of that shot becoming a goal! A large % of Ovi's shots are slap shots from the top of circle ( I know...its been beat to death), and his onetimer gives him that xtra milli second adv. over the goalie.

If he became a little less predictable w/ what he does, maybe he would raise that Shooting %, or give his teamates open nets if he passed it to them more.

Whether Tanner wants to admit that is another story. Amt. of shots isn't the end all be all, but rather what you do w/ that shot.

And Fleury made that save on Ovi w/ his stick b/c Fleury put himself in a position to save the puck!!!!! It might have been a low % save, but he SAVED it! It wasn't all luck, b/c he put his stick in front of the puck and stopped it! Duh!!!!

Sorry for the length, but w/ Trump pulling out of the Paris Accord, I didn't know if I would have time to write another response to Tanner. The Earth might explode tomorrow!! Everything is Trumps Fault!!!!!!! Right James!?
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