"Other than all the gems, Snow sucks"


- eichiefs9

Noel Fogelman: Isles have missed out on more than just Jake Guentzel
- Noel Fogelman

What difference does if really make when the Islanders have not a (frank)ing clue how to develop prospects properly?

What difference does if really make when the Islanders have not a (frank)ing clue how to develop prospects properly?
- Cptmjl

Come on Cpt. look at the progress Bailey has made since he's been drafted

you just cant do a blog on the draft because of all the factors that go into it. look where zetterberg was taken, 29 teams missed out 6 rounds on the guy he was taken 7th round 210th. coaching, work ethic, supporting cast, the list goes on as to what it takes for a certain guy to develop. I understand the thought process but to blame the isles for not taking karrelson when 13 other teams passed as well is hard to do. I think the more fair thing to do would be explain why the isles suck at developing who they drafted

Edit: answer, snow, cappy, thompson (although the players seem to come up ready till cappy got them) and honestly cairns. wtf is this guy the head of player development for? he could fight and turn the puck over and that was about it

you just cant do a blog on the draft because of all the factors that go into it. look where zetterberg was taken, 29 teams missed out 6 rounds on the guy he was taken 7th round 210th. coaching, work ethic, supporting cast, the list goes on as to what it takes for a certain guy to develop. I understand the thought process but to blame the isles for not taking karrelson when 13 other teams passed as well is hard to do. I think the more fair thing to do would be explain why the isles suck at developing who they drafted
- Upstate_isles

Nepotism

It isn't really fair to compare who gets taken after your pick in the later rounds. Sure you can complain about players in the top 10 or possibly in the entire 1st round as those players are heavily scouted. But when you start getting into the later rounds the ranking of players is all over the place. One team may have a player ranked in the 3rd while half the league have him in the 5th. Also by the later rounds teams aren't necessarily looking for best player available. Some might be looking for future potential, or looking at a specific position to stock the cupboard, maybe they want size or speed. The later rounds are nothing but a combination of a lot of luck and a teams ability to develop a certain player. For example if the leafs truly believed that Brown would be a 20 goal scorer, why would they select 2 players, one in the 2nd and another in the 5th that will more then likely never play a regular shift in the NHL before him. It was complete luck.

Come on Cpt. look at the progress Bailey has made since he's been drafted
- nyisles7

He da best

He da best
- Cptmjl

A+

i have to be honest with all this draft is lucky shat, I wouldn't hire a single scout or have any player developement in place much like the Islanders
Maybe they are just so much smarter than any other team out there and just have been a circus for the last 10 years because of bad luck that's it just bad luck. maybe our luck will change next year. I so excited for the expansion draft and entry draft now!

CROSS YOUR FINGERS we get some good luck!

i have to be honest with all this draft is lucky shat, I wouldn't hire a single scout or have any player developement in place much like the Islanders
Maybe they are just so much smarter than any other team out there and just have been a circus for the last 10 years because of bad luck that's it just bad luck. maybe our luck will change next year. I so excited for the expansion draft and entry draft now!

CROSS YOUR FINGERS we get some good luck!
- nyisles7

- Upstate_isles

Im so excited Upstate, maybe if we get everybody crossing their fingers we will really be lucky

Im so excited Upstate, maybe if we get everybody crossing their fingers we will really be lucky
- nyisles7

I was excited thought I was getting some then I saw my fingers

Skip to 8:45 part
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I was excited thought I was getting some then I saw my fingers

Skip to 8:45 part
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- Upstate_isles

Exactly what I have been saying, he wants to win. Question is does he believe it can be done here?

Exactly what I have been saying, he wants to win. Question is does he believe it can be done here?
- nyisles7

Well Doug seems to think he does and they are close so lets hope the first thing is he commits. Once that happens they need to be very aggressive or maybe they get aggressive to show him they are serious at expansion and free agency. I really hope something finally happens but I wont hold my breath

Well Doug seems to think he does and they are close so lets hope the first thing is he commits. Once that happens they need to be very aggressive or maybe they get aggressive to show him they are serious at expansion and free agency. I really hope something finally happens but I wont hold my breath

- Upstate_isles

Don't hold your breath, cross your fingers, Garth is

you just cant do a blog on the draft because of all the factors that go into it. look where zetterberg was taken, 29 teams missed out 6 rounds on the guy he was taken 7th round 210th. coaching, work ethic, supporting cast, the list goes on as to what it takes for a certain guy to develop. I understand the thought process but to blame the isles for not taking karrelson when 13 other teams passed as well is hard to do. I think the more fair thing to do would be explain why the isles suck at developing who they drafted

Edit: answer, snow, cappy, thompson (although the players seem to come up ready till cappy got them) and honestly cairns. wtf is this guy the head of player development for? he could fight and turn the puck over and that was about it
- Upstate_isles

cairns and Thompson do a great job in bport... isles have developed bottom six guys fine.. and dmen... cappy couldn't develop the skilled guys

cairns and Thompson do a great job in bport... isles have developed bottom six guys fine.. and dmen... cappy couldn't develop the skilled guys
- Dan Petriw

I don't see the great job they're doing. Nobody is coming up from bdgpt and killing it and bdgpt certainly isn't making any noise since he has been coach. Most of our prospects have not come close to reaching their supposed potential. The results have been far from validating anyone is doing a good job with our prospects let alone in bdgpt.

I don't see the great job they're doing. Nobody is coming up from bdgpt and killing it and bdgpt certainly isn't making any noise since he has been coach. Most of our prospects have not come close to reaching their supposed potential. The results have been far from validating anyone is doing a good job with our prospects let alone in bdgpt.
- Cptmjl

I think a lot of our prospects need to spend more time down in BP. Guys like Bailey, Strome, Dal Colle come to mind. We kept Pulock down there and it seems to be working. Another season or 2 for Toews will be very good. Ho Sang seems to have learned a ton.

I think Nelson and Lee could have used more time down there. Even the same with Hamonic. Matt Martin and Cizikas learned thmmme roles down there before coming up.

Personally I'd like to see Barzal down there. This whole "need to be 20 years old" nonsense has to be taken care of. Barzal's good enough to make the roster but because of how good he is at his age he's gonna miss important time in BP.

cairns and Thompson do a great job in bport... isles have developed bottom six guys fine.. and dmen... cappy couldn't develop the skilled guys
- Dan Petriw

I did give Thompson credit, just not sure where cairns comes in as he wasn't a super skilled guy. Maybe he just provides guidance and tells them what the organization wants them to do, I know that's what Shean Donavan does for Ottawa. I will give them some credit and you as the players that do come up seem ready and the top end guys that were mainly with cappy are the ones that seem to have the most stunted growth.

cairns and Thompson do a great job in bport... isles have developed bottom six guys fine.. and dmen... cappy couldn't develop the skilled guys
- Dan Petriw

I'll give Thompson credit for getting JHS head out of his ass and helping him to think like a pro.

Other than that these guys do their job and haven't done anything that makes them stand out as "Great" as far as player developement imho.

If you had to grade them as you do the players, what grade would you give them?

I'll give Thompson credit for getting JHS head out of his ass and helping him to think like a pro.

Other than that these guys do their job and haven't done anything that makes them stand out as "Great" as far as player developement imho.

If you had to grade them as you do the players, what grade would you give them?
- nyisles7

I'll let Ho Sang play at least a year before I give anyone praise for a job well done. I know not everyone can turn all lemons into lemonade but I'm failing to see any good job being done with our prospects in a very long time unless you consider Bracken Kearns a success story.

Speaking of Lee and Russo at Notre Dame, their coach was Jeff Jackson who had been an assistant to Stirling and he kept his friendships with the Isles. Likewise Ken Morrow lives in the Kansas City area and he scouts the USHL closely which is a reason why they take one or two in every draft. The Quinnipiac connection may come from the Bridgeport staff scouting their games and knowing their coaches plus BST players from there knowing the players. With Central Scouting the franchises have a report on every kid who plays hockey at the competitive level but the scout who sees them every game and knows their flaws and assets by also talking to their coaches is key.

As far as Snow doing a good job and being rewarded, Wang did sell the franchise for a good price after keeping it afloat. He also kept Milbury as an advisor and paid him. Seems like they make a sufficient move to keep them going like hiring Weight and hiring a staff now with former NHL players. Richardson was a hard nosed D and Gomez should help their centers and forwards with his skills.

I did give Thompson credit, just not sure where cairns comes in as he wasn't a super skilled guy. Maybe he just provides guidance and tells them what the organization wants them to do, I know that's what Shean Donavan does for Ottawa. I will give them some credit and you as the players that do come up seem ready and the top end guys that were mainly with cappy are the ones that seem to have the most stunted growth.
- Upstate_isles

This could be the understatement of the year. The guy could barely skate.

I did give Thompson credit, just not sure where cairns comes in as he wasn't a super skilled guy. Maybe he just provides guidance and tells them what the organization wants them to do, I know that's what Shean Donavan does for Ottawa. I will give them some credit and you as the players that do come up seem ready and the top end guys that were mainly with cappy are the ones that seem to have the most stunted growth.
- Upstate_isles

Just remember, those that can't do, teach. He might tell them how forwards would blow right past him and here's how to do it. Also, super-skilled guys usually make bad coaches/teachers. Their didn't have to work hard to develop their talent, it was natural. Some guys are naturally gifted with skill while most others have to work their asses off to maintain an "average" level.

EK has Tampa and Isles talking Hamonic for Drouin. Where do I sign? It cannot be a one for one can it? Duchene was also mentioned.