If he turns out like Vesey, that'll be fine.

(frank)ing clown that kid turned out to be.
- BINGO!

A bit harsh, after only his first pro season....

A bit harsh, after only his first pro season....
- StLBravesFan

He took less D zone draws than Panarin, does not move his feet, and at times seemed to loose interest - in the playoffs - just my person observation. He was the perfect line-mate for space cadet Hayes.

TSN has article about EDM should make a move now... dangling Eberle, of course... but would Seabs/Anisimov bring back RNH/Eberle? we would get 1.35m in cap relief for 2 years then 6m more for the years following...
- jt19

Hawks have the soft no-show winger covered with Panarin. RHN is a glorified Kruger at this point who is severely overpaid.

You don't get a 43% CF by suppressing shots. He was bleeding shots. And even when he is playing LD he reverts to his backhand. He takes far too long to move the puck wherever he plays. The puck stops on his stick every time.

He blocks a lot of shots because he turns the puck over constantly. He denies entry occasionally. That he is still fairly good at.
- TTtime

And also a very poor passer. I'd like to know w many icings he causes per season with passes that miss the breaking forward.

Love the guy for his courage and willingness to play hurt but you are correct - last 2 seasons not great.

A bit harsh, after only his first pro season....
- StLBravesFan

He's 24 years old.

Cody Ceci, Tom Wilson, Matt Dumba.... Same draft year.

Let's compare him to Phil Di Giuseppe, who is the same age and also played NCAA.

Vesey has 80 NHL games, 27 points, and is a -13

PDG has 77 NHL games, 23 points, and is a -12

Differences are Vesey shot 13.8%, whereas PDG shot 5.9%

PDG has more Shot Attempts, Shots, fewer giveaways, and more than 3 times as many hits.

Vesey has more goals and better blocked shots and takeaway numbers.

They're virtually identical players, with the exception that Vesey is likely a bit more skilled and PDG is more physical.

Thing is, everybody knows who Vesey is, whereas I doubt many are familiar with the name Phil Di Giuseppe. Aside from being a real good player as a 22 and 23 year old in College, there's really no reason for Vesey to be as highly thought of as he has been.

Disagree. Move him back left and his clearing and possession would improve immensely. Opposite side D-men just aren't a great idea in the NHL.

- JRoenick97

Tha "weak" poke check backhand is Hammer's bread and butter.
before Oduya was there he also played on the off side mostly, because he was in top 4 pairing and only when they were spelling those top pairings was he playing on the left/
He prefers it, and is more effective there in all phases especailly the defensive end.

Come on, guys, don't try and make up scenarios that you like, that aren't feasible on the ice, in the GMs office,or even on a board, where the guy running it has used phoney trades as the hook to get you here.

Free country to post whatvever you want but don't expect the reality around you to be tolerate of those skewed ideas.

He's 24 years old.

Cody Ceci, Tom Wilson, Matt Dumba.... Same draft year.

Let's compare him to Phil Di Giuseppe, who is the same age and also played NCAA.

Vesey has 80 NHL games, 27 points, and is a -13

PDG has 77 NHL games, 23 points, and is a -12

Differences are Vesey shot 13.8%, whereas PDG shot 5.9%

PDG has more Shot Attempts, Shots, fewer giveaways, and more than 3 times as many hits.

Vesey has more goals and better blocked shots and takeaway numbers.

They're virtually identical players, with the exception that Vesey is likely a bit more skilled and PDG is more physical.

Thing is, everybody knows who Vesey is, whereas I doubt many are familiar with the name Phil Di Giuseppe. Aside from being a real good player as a 22 and 23 year old in College, there's really no reason for Vesey to be as highly thought of as he has been.
- BINGO!

Which sort of leads to a completely different discussion.

If player comes up to professional hockey thru the junior ranks and hasn't made it by the time he is 22-24, he is considered washed up, a never was or just not good enough and is pretty much out of hockey.

A kid playing college hockey who is decent but maybe not great, still has a chance to play in the NHL and he's had those extra few years for physical and skill development. And most importantly, eligible to sign an ELC. Same thing with Euros - that's why NHL GM's are combing pro leagues in Sweden, Finland, Czech, Austria etc to see if they can find a 24-25 year old good enough and willing to come over and play for cheap for a couple of years. And if they are lucky, ey might find a Matt Zucharello.

Which sort of leads to a completely different discussion.

If player comes up to professional hockey thru the junior ranks and hasn't made it by the time he is 22-24, he is considered washed up, a never was or just not good enough and is pretty much out of hockey.

A kid playing college hockey who is decent but maybe not great, still has a chance to play in the NHL and he's had those extra few years for physical and skill development. And most importantly, eligible to sign an ELC. Same thing with Euros - that's why NHL GM's are combing pro leagues in Sweden, Finland, Czech, Austria etc to see if they can find a 24-25 year old good enough and willing to come over and play for cheap for a couple of years. And if they are lucky, ey might find a Matt Zucharello.
- RickJ

True enough.

Perspective is a very strange thing and teams are far too reliant on it sometimes. Too many teams are afraid to miss out on a prospect that another team likes, just because they think that other team might be seeing something they don't.

AA panrin2018 1st and motte/hino for faulk/murphy rask/linholm mcginn thoughts anybody if were throwing out crazy trade possibilities.

[quote=BINGO!)
Let's compare him to Phil Di Giuseppe, who is the same age and also played NCAA.

Vesey has 80 NHL games, 27 points, and is a -13
PDG has 77 NHL games, 23 points, and is a -12
Differences are Vesey shot 13.8%, whereas PDG shot 5.9%
PDG has more Shot Attempts, Shots, fewer giveaways, and more than 3 times as many hits.Vesey has more goals and better blocked shots and takeaway numbers.

Phil Di Giuseppe and Vesey are virtually identical players, with the exception that Vesey is likely a bit more skilled and PDG is more physical.

Thing is, everybody knows who Vesey is, whereas I doubt many are familiar with the name Phil Di Giuseppe. Aside from being a real good player as a 22 and 23 year old in College, there's really no reason for Vesey to be as highly thought of as he has been.

It's not like I didn't watch both of them before they were drafted:

https://www.draftsite.com...hillip-di-giuseppe/17673/

https://www.draftsite.com...l/player/jim-vesey/17054/

It simply goes to prove that a guy can get drafted and elevate his game with more strength, and quickness.

The thing that made free agent Vesey attractive was his size and ability to use it to gain position, in college and the pros.

Phil Di Giuseppe has not done enough to be acknowledged as Vesey's equal.
you can throw as many stats around as you wish, but Phil Di Giuseppe has yet to make and contribute an entire season with SIX goals in parts of his two call-ups.

Come back in make this argument when he scores 16 like Vesey does, and bodies his way through the battle zones and holds position...

Look, I am starting to feel bad that I am blowing up your evalutations of the team you root for....but I seent the lean years in Chicago refuting all the clap trap they spun in programs and to the hometown press about each and every one of their picks, far before they made the grade (actually I should have written flopped).

But as i tell so many of my hawk fan friends I can't tell you how good any of the signings or drfat picks will fare until they actually show they have the come uppin's to actually handle a major league role, score with regularity, hold on to pucks, play a 200 foot game etc.

Vesey may never be able to lock up a second big RFA deal for inflated Eavnder Kane dollars, but he still can score in the NHL...he proved it, as did Hartman.
Phil, well, he's still phantom Phil.

AA panrin2018 1st and motte/hino for faulk/murphy rask/linholm mcginn thoughts anybody if were throwing out crazy trade possibilities.
- Scott1977

Scott, some advice....find Derrick in Yorkville so he can educate you.

I certainly understand why most defensemen are better on their correct side than their offside, but with Hjalmarsson, I keep thinking that:

They won two championships, and made a final-four, with Hjalmarsson on his offside paired with Oduya on the left.
- StLBravesFan

True dat, boyfriend...

even when Campbell was here the first time Hammer was always on the left side on the PK.

Before I would pay Jordan Eberle the last years of that deal I would keep Seabrook.
Eberle was given countless cahnces with quality attackers and was snake bit.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins is a guy still in development, but there is no indication he is gonna take a step up and be a real top overall centremen, and he already gets paid like he is a top one.

No thanks.

I prefer the high Cap hits we already are balancing a budget around.

Wiz, you provide literally nothing but conjecture.

You're not necessarily wrong, but you bring nothing to back up what you say. But, once again, I'm shocked that you don't seem to understand the difference between a 6% shooting percentage and an almost 14% one.

Before I would pay Jordan Eberle the last years of that deal I would keep Seabrook.
Eberle was given countless cahnces with quality attackers and was snake bit.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins is a guy still in development, but there is no indication he is gonna take a step up and be a real top overall centremen, and he already gets paid like he is a top one.

No thanks.

I prefer the high Cap hits we already are balancing a budget around.
- wiz1901

I just don't see why we'd be interested in either one of these guys. It just doesn't make any sense in the scheme of this team.

I was being sarcastic with my post about the trade I propose we are all are arm chair gm 's and the reason of this blog is to express opinion sometimes some agree some disagree and we all throw crazy ideas of trades out there to see if it makes and sometimes it doesn t except for JJ and few others that have sources on this website we are all arm chair gm s just trying to figure out what the blackhawks are to do. I m not no expert just a fan trying and hoping the hawks can get back to becoming a contender so give my opinion and continue to WIZ.

NEWS: #NHLDucks and Assistant Coach Paul MacLean have mutually parted ways, following the expiration of his contract.

NEWS: #NHLDucks and Assistant Coach Paul MacLean have mutually parted ways, following the expiration of his contract.
- walleyeb1

Another option for CHI if this Ulf thing doesn't work out.

He also might head be looking for a HC job somewhere, NHL or AHL to get back in the driver's seat.

I was being sarcastic with my post about the trade I propose we are all are arm chair gm 's and the reason of this blog is to express opinion sometimes some agree some disagree and we all throw crazy ideas of trades out there to see if it makes and sometimes it doesn t except for JJ and few others that have sources on this website we are all arm chair gm s just trying to figure out what the blackhawks are to do. I m not no expert just a fan trying and hoping the hawks can get back to becoming a contender so give my opinion and continue to WIZ.
- Scott1977

Scott I REALLY havea friend in Yorkville who is a super hawk fan, and he would be an asset as a friend to you...

Another option for CHI if this Ulf thing doesn't work out.

He also might head be looking for a HC job somewhere, NHL or AHL to get back in the driver's seat.
- TyCamScore

It's weird how the Ulf and Rutta situations popped up a couple of weeks ago now there's nothing.

Wiz, you provide literally nothing but conjecture.

You're not necessarily wrong, but you bring nothing to back up what you say. But, once again, I'm shocked that you don't seem to understand the difference between a 6% shooting percentage and an almost 14% one.
- BINGO!

So you expect me to give props to "phanton Phil" based on shooting % and six NHL goals scored? -because to me, that is a canvas based on short term conjecture.

I don't love Vesey, but I know one thing, when I see him I already know what he can do against pro players. Whether he flatlines as a 16 goal scorer, time will be the deciding factor, but he clearly showed a lot more than phantom Phil Di Giuseppe has, so until Phil scores 16 goals, it is about production not conjecture.

When I see phanton Phil use his body english to make room to get position to have time to be ready for rebounds, I will gladly give him his props.
Stats like shooting %, well, they have a way of morphing as players get to be better pros.
All i know is one of the two Vesey looks like he can be one.

It's weird how the Ulf and Rutta situations popped up a couple of weeks ago now there's nothing.
- DarthKane

You know how the hawks areL they in the past signed guys and wouldn't confirm the signing until they felt the time was right.

It might be they want to use the draft stage to make a few of those announcements...

Another option for CHI if this Ulf thing doesn't work out.

He also might head be looking for a HC job somewhere, NHL or AHL to get back in the driver's seat.
- TyCamScore

Would be an excellent get for the 'Hawks.

Was successful under Babcock in Detroit, and was successful in Anaheim.

Considering the fact that it was a "mutual parting", me thinks that he's going to explore head coaching opportunities elsewhere rather than assistant gigs.

You know how the hawks areL they in the past signed guys and wouldn't confirm the signing until they felt the time was right.

It might be they want to use the draft stage to make a few of those announcements...
- wiz1901

Maybe the assistant coach position, but even then these are major news stories to break.

Would be an excellent get for the 'Hawks.

Was successful under Babcock in Detroit, and was successful in Anaheim.

Considering the fact that it was a "mutual parting", me thinks that he's going to explore head coaching opportunities elsewhere rather than assistant gigs.
- TommyHawk

Think I read he was a candidate in Florida which is still an open job.