Anyone remember some months ago when I commented that I heard from a reliable source that the kid wanted to sign with the hawks?

Could that have been true?
- wiz1901

I do recall that and he would certainly be a nice addition to the prospect pipeline.

Edit: Who the hell are we kidding, he'll sign with the Rangers.

I'm sorry, but you are missing the point.

Would you prefer a player like Panarin, putting up pretty numbers during the regular season - against lesser talent - and disappearing for most of the playoffs (claiming to be tired), or would you prefer a player that actually wants to be playing during the playoffs, and not the World Championships for "mother Russia"???

The smart thing for the Hawks to do is sell high on Panarin now, and retool the first line to be dominant again. And for that matter - sell high on Anisimov too. Both can get nice returns.
- dahawks8819

I wasn't missing the point, I was actually highlighting that Kane is fine without Panarin, but you do, at some point, have to replace some production that the generates. I'd prefer it be replaced by the lower 2 lines getting some scoring punch so the all around lineup has more skill, but you can't just drop an 80 point guy and not get those points back somewhere, so it really depends on the return. I'm all for moving Panarin if we get a good deal back. I love breadman, but he's only signed for 2 years and we won't be able to afford him if he keeps putting up 80 points. Having one line of scorers isn't really helping us, so if we could move Panarin for, say, a solid RHD that can fit in our system and is younger and cheaper, then yes, do it. D-core gets better, can move the puck more fluidly, cleans up our possession and the points can be created by other players/lines because of it.

5 goals on 12 shots in the Cup Finals is about as low as it gets.
- BINGO!

7 for 11 and 21 for 25 for a dazzling 28 for 36 or a .777 save percentage. M/T netter's do not count against the goalie. Even with a comeback for the ages, his career is very close to toast.

I wasn't missing the point, I was actually highlighting that Kane is fine without Panarin, but you do, at some point, have to replace some production that the generates. I'd prefer it be replaced by the lower 2 lines getting some scoring punch so the all around lineup has more skill, but you can't just drop an 80 point guy and not get those points back somewhere, so it really depends on the return. I'm all for moving Panarin if we get a good deal back. I love breadman, but he's only signed for 2 years and we won't be able to afford him if he keeps putting up 80 points. Having one line of scorers isn't really helping us, so if we could move Panarin for, say, a solid RHD that can fit in our system and is younger and cheaper, then yes, do it. D-core gets better, can move the puck more fluidly, cleans up our possession and the points can be created by other players/lines because of it.
- JRoenick97

Panarin for Faulk.

Panarin for Faulk.
- BINGO!

Panarin and Kruger for Faulk and Rask

Panarin and Kruger for Faulk and Rask
- DarthKane

What is it with you guys and Rask?

It's not happening. Makes no sense for the Canes to trade him.

Panarin and Kruger for Faulk and Rask
- DarthKane

Absolutely. Do this. Panarin for Faulk and a swap of first round picks too.

What is it with you guys and Rask?

It's not happening. Makes no sense for the Canes to trade him.
- BINGO!

Most of our young talent at wing is a couple of years away from being productive. Rask is already producing at the NHL level, and if we are trading Panarin we could use a little scoring in return.

Panarin for Faulk.
- BINGO!

I would make that deal. 1.2 M AAV savings and a very good young defender.

Panarin and Kruger for Faulk and Rask
- DarthKane

I think that's asking too much.

Most of our young talent at wing is a couple of years away from being productive. Rask is already producing at the NHL level, and if we are trading Panarin we could use a little scoring in return.
- hpk90

Sure, but Faulk AND Rask is an overpayment, especially considering Kruger has negative value in that situation. All he does is eat up our cap space.

And Faulk and Rask combined outscored Panarin, on kind of a down year for Faulk.

Sure, but Faulk AND Rask is an overpayment, especially considering Kruger has negative value in that situation. All he does is eat up our cap space.

And Faulk and Rask combined outscored Panarin, on kind of a down year for Faulk.
- BINGO!

He is your 2nd line center and will score on demand like he did in the recent tourney

Sure, but Faulk AND Rask is an overpayment, especially considering Kruger has negative value in that situation. All he does is eat up our cap space.

And Faulk and Rask combined outscored Panarin, on kind of a down year for Faulk.
- BINGO!

If it were Panarin and Kruger for Faulk and Rask, I'd imagine we'd have to throw in a young prospect for the Canes to do it. Maybe Motte or Hinostroza? I wouldn't want Fortin or Debrincat to go the other way. Maybe Forsling since we'd be getting Faulk back.

I might be in the minority, but the Kruger, TVR deal to Vegas, might actually be better than any other that other teams have to offer McPhee. A Stanley Cup winning 3rd line Center and a #5 defenseman (or a top 4 on a team that lacks depth), both under 28 years old, for draft picks. Not bad for Vegas.
- Omahawk

We keep reading all these beat writers in each NHL city talking about their team trading this or that guy, instead of losing them to Las Vegas.
The thing is...
any team trading for these players who, "if the don't get traded, will get selected by Las Vegas"...will then take the SAME chance of losing them to Las Vegas, because they simply are not high upgrades on THEIR teams as "10th players."

Not on is this reasonable cap hits to Las Vegas, they may later tarde either one elsewhere, just like they might trade any and all they draft in a three weeks...

I have already read fans form other citis trying to say this trade will not happen because "why would LV do the Hawks a favor?"

Well, this "favor" gives them TWO selections and that along with the Russian superstar the signed (sic) Vadim Shipachyov means three of the roster spots already taken on the Golden Knight roster so only about 20 of the other selections are STAYING with their major league team...that THIRD goaltender they select and at very least two of the defenseman, and maybe a forward will not be waiver exempt players available to other etams after LV decides on their final roster .Las Vegas want picks in this years draft, prospects under contract that would have been wavier draft exempt less than 3rd yr minor pros, and players who can play to stock the organizational cupboard.

Panarin and Kruger for Faulk and Rask
- DarthKane

Panerin ,Anisomov, high pick and???? For ........Ovie! Boy would Uncle John steal all the thunder if that one was announced at the beginning of the draft!
Ovechkin &Toews together ! & Panik????? Hmmmmm????
Let The bean counters worry about the $$$$!

If it were Panarin and Kruger for Faulk and Rask, I'd imagine we'd have to throw in a young prospect for the Canes to do it. Maybe Motte or Hinostroza? I wouldn't want Fortin or Debrincat to go the other way. Maybe Forsling since we'd be getting Faulk back.
- JRoenick97

R U Crazy?

I would take Rask & Faulk for Panarin's interpreter....

Who's is the best franking player?

If you are gonna start playing fast and loose with Panarin's still reasonable salary go get me Ladenskog or Duchene and one way Barrie, and dump salary to Colorado...because you simply have overvalued those two from Carolina.

Stil waiting for Rask to develop his feet and skate like a new age NHLer...what area did most of his goals come from?

If it were Panarin and Kruger for Faulk and Rask, I'd imagine we'd have to throw in a young prospect for the Canes to do it. Maybe Motte or Hinostroza? I wouldn't want Fortin or Debrincat to go the other way. Maybe Forsling since we'd be getting Faulk back.
- JRoenick97

Canes are transitioning more into a win-now mode. Picks and prospects aren't really what we're looking for here now.

Honestly, unless the Hawks are ready to sell impact pieces for futures, I don't think we're great trading partners anymore.

Panerin ,Anisomov, high pick and???? For ........Ovie! Boy would Uncle John steal all the thunder if that one was announced at the beginning of the draft!
Ovechkin &Toews together ! & Panik????? Hmmmmm????
Let The bean counters worry about the $$$$!
- wonthecup10

Stealing thunder ain't what it's all about. If winning hockey is the one goal, that is.

R U Crazy?

I would take Rask & Faulk for Panarin's interpreter....

who's is the best franking player?
- wiz1901

No, I'm just someone who understands the value of a 25 year old top pairing RHD in the NHL on our team with an aging D-core and a heavy LHD presence. Panarin is a great player, but he's not crucial to our team. Faulk is 25 and a bonafide top pairing puck mover.

I was actually responding to someone elses trade proposal of Kruger and Panarin for Rask and Faulk. I wouldn't bother including Rask or Kruger. I'd do Panarin for Faulk straight up for the cap savings and top pair RHD.

No, I'm just someone who understands the value of a 25 year old top pairing RHD in the NHL on our team with an aging D-core and a heavy LHD presence. Panarin is a great player, but he's not crucial to our team. Faulk is 25 and a bonafide top pairing puck mover.

I was actually responding to someone elses trade proposal of Kruger and Panarin for Rask and Faulk. I wouldn't bother including Rask or Kruger. I'd do Panarin for Faulk straight up for the cap savings and top pair RHD.
- JRoenick97

I am sorry - IF Faulk was really the guy why would his name be out there for most of the season. His not very good down low, and I simply don't see him as an heir apaprnt to any of the big three when the time comes they are parted with...those three aging defenders are all far BETTER players than he is, period.

And he is a right hander who can play the off side if I am not mistaken...

Granted Faulk scored a lot of goals with his point shot, but where they trailer on the rush goals? He's smaller than all the big three save for Keith, and he isn't that great in his end. He would hav emade the difference against the Predators? He and the slow- footed Rask?

Landing and Barrie would have made a bigger dent against Nashville...


I have heard all the talk about how Seabrook Keith and Hammer are slow and done, but that's horsefeathers...hwere they banged up? I give you that.

a couple things are I think that any deal between Vegas and Chicago will be approved by the league but not announced until the Exp draft IE Vegas and Chicago can keep people guessing. So lets say the deal is already agreed upon. Why at this point can't the hawks take Forsling or 2nd or Debrinct and get a more ready young player that another team is worried they are going to lose. Vegas already has a agreement in place to take TVR so maybe they trade for a young 2-3 line player on a cheap deal. lets say Ottowa has to expose dzingel would we trade debrinct or a 2nd or forlsing for him?
I'm sure there are other good players that could be had for the right price that would be cost controlled but closer to NHL players then prospects or Picks on teams that are in trouble at the EXP draft.

Canes are transitioning more into a win-now mode. Picks and prospects aren't really what we're looking for here now.

Honestly, unless the Hawks are ready to sell impact pieces for futures, I don't think we're great trading partners anymore.
- BINGO!

How about Panarin and Anisimov for Faulk and Rask?

I am sorry - IF Faulk was really the guy why would his name be out there for most of the season. His not very good down low, and I simply don't see him as an heir apaprnt to any of the big three when the time comes they are parted with...those three aging defenders are all fra BETTER players than he is, period.
- wiz1901

....if you legitimately think Brent Seabrook is a better player than Justin Faulk right now, I have no words for you.

That's incomprehensible.

His name is out there because the Hurricanes have 5 RFA defensemen to sign next season, and more on the way. Eventually somebody is going to have to get traded, and Faulk is going to need to get paid a hell of a lot more than the $4.8 million he's making now.

Over the past 3 seasons, only 5 defensemen have scored more goals than Justin Faulk:

Burns, OEL, Karlsson, Weber and Byfuglien. That's it.

Oh, and he's been doing it with Ron (frank)ing Hainsey as his D partner for most of that.

How about Panarin and Anisimov for Faulk and Rask?
- FourOrr

I could see it, but the Anisimov-Rask part still doesn't seem necessary.

How about Panarin and Anisimov for Faulk and Rask?
- FourOrr

Yikes!


I am out of here.

I knew there was a reason I stayed away...no reaon to be bothered about with imaginary tales.

I am fairly certain DeBrincat WAS offered as aprt of a package to Colorado when the Avs were talk shopping their two highly paid early selected Landeskog and Duchene...but that deal died.