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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 31 @ 12:31 PM ET
I had a little fun with capfriendly's armchair GM tool (which is really cool). normally I'm a fan of making as few moves as possible, but in the same of fun this is how the Hawks can remain cap compliant with a $73 million cap.

Trades:

To Chicago: Armia, Lowry, 2nd round pick
To Winnipeg: Anisimov, Kruger, Motte

To Chicago: Moore
To NJ: Hinostroza, Svedberg

Expansion Draft: TvR

UFA/RFA

Mike Condon (G): 2 years at $900,000
Rasmussen: 1 year at $650,000
Jurco: 1 year at $750,000

FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: R. Panik ($2,800,000) - P. Kane ($10,500,000) - M. Hossa ($5,275,000) - J. Hayden ($925,000) - J. Tootoo ($700,000)
Centre: J. Toews ($10,500,000) - N. Schmaltz ($925,000) - A. Lowry ($1,125,000) - D. Rasmussen ($650,000)
Left wing: J. Armia ($925,000) - A. Panarin ($6,000,000) - R. Hartman ($863,333) - T. Kero ($750,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: N. Hjalmarsson ($4,100,000) - B. Seabrook ($6,875,000) - J. Moore ($1,666,667) - M. Rozsival ($650,000)
Left: D. Keith ($5,538,462) - M. Kempny ($900,000) - G. Forsling ($872,500)

GOALTENDER (2)
C. Crawford ($6,000,000) - M. Condon ($900,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
NHL Salary Cap: $73,000,000
Bonus Overages: $3,558,000
Cap Hit: $72,998,962
Cap Space: $1,038


93Joe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.09.2015

May 31 @ 12:35 PM ET
I had a little fun with capfriendly's armchair GM tool (which is really cool). normally I'm a fan of making as few moves as possible, but in the same of fun this is how the Hawks can remain cap compliant with a $73 million cap.

Trades:

To Chicago: Armia, Lowry, 2nd round pick
To Winnipeg: Anisimov, Kruger, Motte

To Chicago: Moore
To NJ: Hinostroza, Svedberg

Expansion Draft: TvR

UFA/RFA

Mike Condon (G): 2 years at $900,000
Rasmussen: 1 year at $650,000
Jurco: 1 year at $750,000

FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: R. Panik ($2,800,000) - P. Kane ($10,500,000) - M. Hossa ($5,275,000) - J. Hayden ($925,000) - J. Tootoo ($700,000)
Centre: J. Toews ($10,500,000) - N. Schmaltz ($925,000) - A. Lowry ($1,125,000) - D. Rasmussen ($650,000)
Left wing: J. Armia ($925,000) - A. Panarin ($6,000,000) - R. Hartman ($863,333) - T. Kero ($750,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: N. Hjalmarsson ($4,100,000) - B. Seabrook ($6,875,000) - J. Moore ($1,666,667) - M. Rozsival ($650,000)
Left: D. Keith ($5,538,462) - M. Kempny ($900,000) - G. Forsling ($872,500)

GOALTENDER (2)
C. Crawford ($6,000,000) - M. Condon ($900,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
NHL Salary Cap: $73,000,000
Bonus Overages: $3,558,000
Cap Hit: $72,998,962
Cap Space: $1,038

- DarthKane

Size and youth would be a warm welcome. I'm curious about his faceoff stats.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 31 @ 12:36 PM ET
Size and youth would be a warm welcome. I'm curious about his faceoff stats.
- 93Joe


He's huge, but he's also not that good.

Winnipeg is losing either Lowry or Perrault to the expansion draft unless they trade one of them.

Gonna guess they're gonna dump Lowry for a pick.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

May 31 @ 12:37 PM ET
I don't think that 4 gets moved. At his $4mil cap hit not enough bang for the buck, i.e. cap relief. Anisimov gets you slightly more relief and can probably be replaced in the lineup much easier than Hjalmarsson. Trading #15 may cost you a Hinostroza or the like, but it makes more sense than dumping #4.
- TheTrob


Your not dumping Hammer ,he could bring the best return . I don't like the idea of moving good players like AA Seabs or anyone else ,and having to lose prospects and or picks as well .
Make a hockey trade 2 for 1 get the cap space and a pick or prospect
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

May 31 @ 12:42 PM ET
Just saw something where Vegas takes TVR through expansion and also Kruger through trade.

that also frees up a spot for Kempny.
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 31 @ 12:43 PM ET
For cap clearing, how about 15 and 72 to devils for 1st overall and Smith-Pelly?
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

May 31 @ 12:54 PM ET
Your not dumping Hammer ,he could bring the best return . I don't like the idea of moving good players like AA Seabs or anyone else ,and having to lose prospects and or picks as well .
Make a hockey trade 2 for 1 get the cap space and a pick or prospect

- oldduffman


Thats just it Duffman, at a cap hit of $4.1mil, please explain what 2 players you could get that would fill a hole/holes in the lineup AND still leave you with cap space? If you are trading him for picks/prospects then you are signalling that you are into re-build mode. He may bring you the best return in terms of higher picks or prospects, but picks and prospects do not help you win with a roster that needs to win NOW. Trading him means you are not competing for the Cup for the next 3+ years minimum, and at that point what is left of Kane/Toews/Keith/etc.

#4 is your best defender and probably your most durable. His cap hit is easily $2mil less than most comparable defenders. He is a top pairing defenseman on probably 2/3 of the teams in the league. His value far exceeds his cap hit.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

May 31 @ 1:05 PM ET
Thats just it Duffman, at a cap hit of $4.1mil, please explain what 2 players you could get that would fill a hole/holes in the lineup AND still leave you with cap space? If you are trading him for picks/prospects then you are signalling that you are into re-build mode. He may bring you the best return in terms of higher picks or prospects, but picks and prospects do not help you win with a roster that needs to win NOW. Trading him means you are not competing for the Cup for the next 3+ years minimum, and at that point what is left of Kane/Toews/Keith/etc.

#4 is your best defender and probably your most durable. His cap hit is easily $2mil less than most comparable defenders. He is a top pairing defenseman on probably 2/3 of the teams in the league. His value far exceeds his cap hit.

- TheTrob


And on the dark side of the business, when he becomes a UFA he may be too battle worn to cash in.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

May 31 @ 1:08 PM ET
#Hawks would allow VGK to take D Trevor van Riemsdyk in draft, on consideration that @GoldenKnights also take Marcus Kruger in trade. #TSN
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 31 @ 1:08 PM ET
Just saw something where Vegas takes TVR through expansion and also Kruger through trade.

that also frees up a spot for Kempny.

- SteveRain



Interesting


spudrock512
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 08.20.2014

May 31 @ 1:10 PM ET
#Hawks would allow VGK to take D Trevor van Riemsdyk in draft, on consideration that @GoldenKnights also take Marcus Kruger in trade. #TSN
- walleyeb1


What would the Hawks get in return (other than cap relief)?
2018 draft pick?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 31 @ 1:19 PM ET
#Hawks would allow VGK to take D Trevor van Riemsdyk in draft, on consideration that @GoldenKnights also take Marcus Kruger in trade. #TSN
- walleyeb1


god the Knights are going to suck
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

May 31 @ 1:19 PM ET
What would the Hawks get in return (other than cap relief)?
2018 draft pick?

- spudrock512


Or a 2017 pick.
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

May 31 @ 1:21 PM ET
What would the Hawks get in return (other than cap relief)?
2018 draft pick?

- spudrock512


Nothing, Means that they Keep Jurco and Pokka would be the only other guys under consideration. IMO. My guess is they said that they are considering having Seabs Wave his rights NMC. But if they trade for kruger after July 1st (hawks pay the 2 mil in signing bonus) they will not protect TVR. Maybe we get a late round pick or something. That is my guess. Vegas probably would not mind kruger but for sure would like to owe a guy 4 mil over 2 years with a AAV of 3. the only wrinkle I see is Kruger might have a NTC after July 1st so to do that he would have to waive or they would have to trade before July 1st.
hpk90
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: North Potomac, MD
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 31 @ 1:23 PM ET
#Hawks would allow VGK to take D Trevor van Riemsdyk in draft, on consideration that @GoldenKnights also take Marcus Kruger in trade. #TSN
- walleyeb1


Odd because I thought that if Vegas took TVR, the Hawks basically had to live with it. It was not conditional.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

May 31 @ 1:23 PM ET
Thats just it Duffman, at a cap hit of $4.1mil, please explain what 2 players you could get that would fill a hole/holes in the lineup AND still leave you with cap space? If you are trading him for picks/prospects then you are signalling that you are into re-build mode. He may bring you the best return in terms of higher picks or prospects, but picks and prospects do not help you win with a roster that needs to win NOW. Trading him means you are not competing for the Cup for the next 3+ years minimum, and at that point what is left of Kane/Toews/Keith/etc.

#4 is your best defender and probably your most durable. His cap hit is easily $2mil less than most comparable defenders. He is a top pairing defenseman on probably 2/3 of the teams in the league. His value far exceeds his cap hit.

- TheTrob


As I said it would be more beneficial to trade both Panarin and Hammer in a package ,for one quality player ie Kane and 1st pick or Galchenyuk and Beaulieu or maybe Hall and a swap of 1st picks (unrealistic) but something of that type trade .Cap space would be made sign a Vet sand let the young D develop .I for one am not impressed with Panarin since his contract ,and Hammer will be looking for a raise soon .. Also look at what the pens have done with that D ,and a bunch of kids playing with some core players .I believe coaching right now maybe are biggest problem
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

May 31 @ 1:24 PM ET
Right you are essentially a worst off team then last year.

that doesn't make any sense.

- SteveRain


swapping panarin for patches? really? 60 points for 60 points? and Patches playing with Toews or Kane bags 40, easy, and you have him signed for 3 years instead of 2 at 4.5 instead of 6.

I don't understand how that doesn't make them better?

Same production + cap space + hard player to play with Toews who scores a crap ton of goals and Kane will get his points with anyone. Theyre either exactly the same or better because they have 1.5 million to pay someone else.
HawksHype
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.08.2011

May 31 @ 1:25 PM ET
Odd because I thought that if Vegas took TVR, the Hawks basically had to live with it. It was not conditional.
- hpk90


If Vegas does not agree, Hawks will trade TvR before the draft to a team that can protect him. Giving Vegas an ultimatum.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

May 31 @ 1:25 PM ET
Odd because I thought that if Vegas took TVR, the Hawks basically had to live with it. It was not conditional.
- hpk90


Unless we trade him before the draft.
spudrock512
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 08.20.2014

May 31 @ 1:28 PM ET
For some reason I thought I read that Vegas can't trade their 2017 draft picks, but I can't seem to find any proof of that, and I don't know why they couldn't.

So for the Vegas trade possibility - the Hawks are required to get some type of compensation back, correct? You can't trade some nothing back can you? You would have to get at least a 7th round pick in 2020 or something, right?
JRoenick97
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spokane, WA
Joined: 07.20.2012

May 31 @ 1:35 PM ET
For some reason I thought I read that Vegas can't trade their 2017 draft picks, but I can't seem to find any proof of that, and I don't know why they couldn't.

So for the Vegas trade possibility - the Hawks are required to get some type of compensation back, correct? You can't trade some nothing back can you? You would have to get at least a 7th round pick in 2020 or something, right?

- spudrock512

"Future considerations"
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

May 31 @ 1:41 PM ET
If Vegas does not agree, Hawks will trade TvR before the draft to a team that can protect him. Giving Vegas an ultimatum.
- HawksHype


Actually what they will do is trade him to a team that is going to expose a really good young player IE TVR would not be the best player exposed. Since the hawks have nothing left exposed other then Kruger, TVR, Pokka that is pretty bad pickings after TVR there are other teams that would load up guys since you can only lose 1.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

May 31 @ 1:44 PM ET
swapping panarin for patches? really? 60 points for 60 points? and Patches playing with Toews or Kane bags 40, easy, and you have him signed for 3 years instead of 2 at 4.5 instead of 6.

I don't understand how that doesn't make them better?

Same production + cap space + hard player to play with Toews who scores a crap ton of goals and Kane will get his points with anyone. Theyre either exactly the same or better because they have 1.5 million to pay someone else.

- fattybeef


Kane is your best offensive asset.

Look at his numbers pre and post Panarin arrival. This myth about "kane playing with anyone" is asinine. He can, but he wont' produce at the elite level that he has been the last 2 years.

Pac and Panarin are both signed for 2 years and Panarin is also 3 years younger....

What is Pac going to want in 2 years after years of netting 30+? What caliber UFA are you getting for 1.5?
jt19
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: LAINGSBURG, MI
Joined: 11.20.2008

May 31 @ 1:50 PM ET
Interesting



- DarthKane


The VGK can make deals like... you get TVR/Kruger... and we get your expansion draft pick of (insert MN defender or other player here)
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

May 31 @ 1:53 PM ET
god the Knights are going to suck
- BINGO!


We shall see...all dependent upon what caliber of players are available league wide for them to choose from and how good McPhee can be at signing UFAs and RFAs during his exclusive period.

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