From what I've heard it all depends on where you live and the severity, an MRI on your knee can be varying degrees of severity. Can you still function fine day to day? It can take months, sometimes up to a year if you don't have any sort of loss of function, that they're just ordering the test to rule something out, or it can be a few weeks, or less if it's something that's keeping you out of work, or you can't walk without crutches.
- Wetbandit1

So universal heath insurance = crap healthcare for all. You can't walk without crutches and it takes WEEKS to get an MRI? That's pathetic.

I had a back issue (missed about 3 weeks of work), but the pain never went away, and my Dr. ordered an MRI. I had United Healthcare Insurance through my employer. Had the MRI within one week, saw my Dr. with the results within another week, and started a physical therapy regime immediately thereafter. I've heard a back MRI in Canada can take months to schedule. I've also heard Canadians with the funds come to the US for their healthcare needs. That says it all.

And even with everything you just described (your opinion, which I'll respect), he's a better choice than a career corrupt politician named Hillary Clinton. That's what you don't get.

Would appreciate an answer to my knee MRI question. Just basic employee based health insurance here in the states allows one to get an MRI within a week (provided a primary care or orthopedic physician prescribes one). I can usually get in to see my Dr. within a couple of days with such an issue. Again, what's the timeframe in Canada?
- quackup

Same here for a doctor! Question? an mri do you guys have to pay for it? Just wondering, cause I friend of mine in Michigan had insurance from work (Pepsi )and one from his bike(motorcycle ) shop small business on the side, and still paid 800 for a broken collar bone a couple of years ago!

So universal heath insurance = crap healthcare for all. You can't walk without crutches and it takes WEEKS to get an MRI? That's pathetic.

I had a back issue (missed about 3 weeks of work), but the pain never went away, and my Dr. ordered an MRI. I had United Healthcare Insurance through my employer. Had the MRI within one week, saw my Dr. with the results within another week, and started a physical therapy regime immediately thereafter. I've heard a back MRI in Canada can take months to schedule. I've also heard Canadians with the funds come to the US for their healthcare needs. That says it all.
- quackup

In some cases true! But theirs a doctor shortage, alot go to the states where they make way more money! And some for the weather definitely not perfect but I have huge health issues and I'm fine

Same here for a doctor! Question? an mri do you guys have to pay for it? Just wondering, cause I friend of mine in Michigan had insurance from work (Pepsi )and one from his bike(motorcycle ) shop small business on the side, and still paid 800 for a broken collar bone a couple of years ago!
- MR.Hunter

Depends on the insurance, and if deductibles have been met. My MRI was free (except for a possible copay). I should add I had a PPO plan, and contributed about $250.00/month for such insurance. Employer covered the rest.

Ladies and gentlemen: Newt "The Intellectual" Gingrich!
- MaximumBone

He can call it a dildo! and shove it up his

Depends on the insurance, and if deductibles have been met. My MRI was free (except for a possible copay). I should add I had a PPO plan, and contributed about $250.00/month for such insurance. Employer covered the rest.
- quackup

Ok well thanks for that! and this may seem like a dumb question on a hockey site but that's going on with the Ducks in protecting players and what would you like to see? Trade /buyout?

So universal heath insurance = crap healthcare for all. You can't walk without crutches and it takes WEEKS to get an MRI? That's pathetic.

I had a back issue (missed about 3 weeks of work), but the pain never went away, and my Dr. ordered an MRI. I had United Healthcare Insurance through my employer. Had the MRI within one week, saw my Dr. with the results within another week, and started a physical therapy regime immediately thereafter. I've heard a back MRI in Canada can take months to schedule. I've also heard Canadians with the funds come to the US for their healthcare needs. That says it all.
- quackup

That's not what I was really saying. I was just giving theoretical examples because your scenario was pretty vague. The one thing I do know is that it depends on severity and where you live, if there are more machines in your area you'll get in faster.

Anecdotally, a group of friends and I go up to French River near Sudbury(not really that close, but it's the closest town any hockey fan has probably heard of) Anyway, it's pretty remote, and on the way in a town called Parry Sound we got to talking with a lady at a store that had a brace on her wrist and she had said that it took 8 months to get an MRI and then another 6 to have the surgery. Yes that's a very long time, but if she lived here she couldn't have afforded either and she'd still be living with her problem. The gentleman who runs the camp we used to go to had cancer. Since the place where we actually camped is so remote he had to drive 3 hours to get to North Bay, but he got his treatment right away. In the end it got him anyway, but the point is, if it's bad enough there really isn't a wait.

And yes it's absolutely true that people with money come here to get healthcare. But it's also true that people who are dual citizens but live here, go across to get their healthcare, because it's unaffordable here. That's the issue, if you have money we have the best healthcare in the world. If you don't it may as well not exist, because you're (frank)ed. It costs 300 (frank)ing dollars to go to a doctor if you don't have insurance in the Buffalo area, and that's if you can even get a doctor to see you, and we have some of the cheapest cost of living in the country, I shudder to think what it costs elsewhere. That's why so many people just wait until it gets really bad and then go to the ER and rack up 10's sometimes 100's of thousands of dollars, and that's money that will follow you literally to your grave; you can never get out from under it. Even through bankruptcy.

I should also add that the average cost of an MRI around here is $1500. That's just the imaging and the report from a radiologist. That doesn't count going back to the prescribing doctor for the results since many doctors refuse to give results over the phone.

That's not what I was really saying. I was just giving theoretical examples because your scenario was pretty vague. The one thing I do know is that it depends on severity and where you live, if there are more machines in your area you'll get in faster.

Anecdotally, a group of friends and I go up to French River near Sudbury(not really that close, but it's the closest town any hockey fan has probably heard of) Anyway, it's pretty remote, and on the way in a town called Parry Sound we got to talking with a lady at a store that had a brace on her wrist and she had said that it took 8 months to get an MRI and then another 6 to have the surgery. Yes that's a very long time, but if she lived here she couldn't have afforded either and she'd still be living with her problem. The gentleman who runs the camp we used to go to had cancer. Since the place where we actually camped is so remote he had to drive 3 hours to get to North Bay, but he got his treatment right away. In the end it got him anyway, but the point is, if it's bad enough there really isn't a wait.

And yes it's absolutely true that people with money come here to get healthcare. But it's also true that people who are dual citizens but live here, go across to get their healthcare, because it's unaffordable here. That's the issue, if you have money we have the best healthcare in the world. If you don't it may as well not exist, because you're (frank)ed. It costs $300 (frank)ing to go to a doctor if you don't have insurance in the Buffalo area, and that's if you can even get a doctor to see you, and we have some of the cheapest cost of living in the country, I shudder to think what it costs elsewhere. That's why so many people just wait until it gets really bad and then go to the ER and rack up 10's sometimes 100's of thousands of dollars, and that's money that will follow you literally to your grave; you can never get out from under it. Even through bankruptcy.

I should also add that the average cost of an MRI around here is $1500. That's just the imaging and the report from a radiologist. That doesn't count going back to the prescribing doctor for the results since many doctors refuse to give results over the phone.
- Wetbandit1

Ya and I've heard of people coming over to buy meds! Again it depends on where you live on wait times but it's free and if it's life threatening it's quick right away! My friend last week had a heart attack and surgery the next day!free nothing in and out in a week

Ok well thanks for that! and this may seem like a dumb question on a hockey site but that's going on with the Ducks in protecting players and what would you like to see? Trade /buyout?
- MR.Hunter

Go to the Ducks blog. I think you'll get your answers. What I do believe is Murray isn't going to lose any significant piece. Pay no attention to the blogs/sights that suggest we're losing Manson, Vatanen, or Silfverberg to the draft. They're written by individuals that don't really follow the Ducks.

Ya and I've heard of people coming over to buy meds! Again it depends on where you live on wait times but it's free and if it's life threatening it's quick right away! My friend last week had a heart attack and surgery the next day!free nothing in and out in a week
- MR.Hunter

Surprisingly I haven't really heard about it here, but in other border communities they have groups that rent a bus and go up to buy meds.

It's certainly not a perfect system. I don't know that anybody says it is. But everyone is covered no matter how much money they have. If you think that just because you can afford cancer meds and someone else can't means you deserve to live and they don't, well you just can't be helped. That's so incredibly (frank)ed up.

That's not what I was really saying. I was just giving theoretical examples because your scenario was pretty vague. The one thing I do know is that it depends on severity and where you live, if there are more machines in your area you'll get in faster.

Anecdotally, a group of friends and I go up to French River near Sudbury(not really that close, but it's the closest town any hockey fan has probably heard of) Anyway, it's pretty remote, and on the way in a town called Parry Sound we got to talking with a lady at a store that had a brace on her wrist and she had said that it took 8 months to get an MRI and then another 6 to have the surgery. Yes that's a very long time, but if she lived here she couldn't have afforded either and she'd still be living with her problem. The gentleman who runs the camp we used to go to had cancer. Since the place where we actually camped is so remote he had to drive 3 hours to get to North Bay, but he got his treatment right away. In the end it got him anyway, but the point is, if it's bad enough there really isn't a wait.

And yes it's absolutely true that people with money come here to get healthcare. But it's also true that people who are dual citizens but live here, go across to get their healthcare, because it's unaffordable here. That's the issue, if you have money we have the best healthcare in the world. If you don't it may as well not exist, because you're (frank)ed. It costs 300 (frank)ing dollars to go to a doctor if you don't have insurance in the Buffalo area, and that's if you can even get a doctor to see you, and we have some of the cheapest cost of living in the country, I shudder to think what it costs elsewhere. That's why so many people just wait until it gets really bad and then go to the ER and rack up 10's sometimes 100's of thousands of dollars, and that's money that will follow you literally to your grave; you can never get out from under it. Even through bankruptcy.

I should also add that the average cost of an MRI around here is $1500. That's just the imaging and the report from a radiologist. That doesn't count going back to the prescribing doctor for the results since many doctors refuse to give results over the phone.
- Wetbandit1

Ya it's free here and depending on the situation you'll wait but you can pay at some private clinics 600 +for an mri when I went for my head it was 2 weeks but I was booked for 2am in the morning

Surprisingly I haven't really heard about it here, but in other border communities they have groups that rent a bus and go up to buy meds.

It's certainly not a perfect system. I don't know that anybody says it is. But everyone is covered no matter how much money they have. If you think that just because you can afford cancer meds and someone else can't means you deserve to live and they don't, well you just can't be helped. That's so incredibly (frank)ed up.
- Wetbandit1

It's the biggest issue if you ask people here about living in the states, health care costs and guns/crime in some places that is! But I went to school in Tempe Arizona and absolutely lovedit

Go to the Ducks blog. I think you'll get your answers. What I do believe is Murray isn't going to lose any significant piece. Pay no attention to the blogs/sights that suggest we're losing Manson, Vatanen, or Silfverberg to the draft. They're written by individuals that don't really follow the Ducks.
- quackup

Agreed their not losing any of those guys! But trade?

It's the biggest issue if you ask people here about living in the states, health care costs and guns/crime in some places that is! But I went to school in Tempe Arizona and absolutely lovedit
- MR.Hunter

If you live within driving distance of the border it wouldn't be so bad going back over for treatment, but if you're within driving distance of the border the weather kind of sucks 6 months a year.

I live in a city of 30,000 people. The last time we had a murder was 5 years ago I think? And it was front page news for a week, the local Buffalo CBS, ABC, NBC affiliates led with it. Some woman knifed her boyfriend in the throat and he bled out in the hallway of the apartment. I can't remember the last time we had a shooting, well except the time I heard my neighbor 3 doors down kill himself with a gun. It was weird, I knew what I heard, but I rationalized it away that it was just the dump trucks tailgate slamming shut because they were adding on to the street, why they'd do that at 9 at night I guess I just didn't even think about. But other than that I can't remember when someone was shot here. Now you drive 15 minutes to Niagara Falls and you take your life into your hands if you wander away from the casino and the road to the bridge or back to the highway. And the same goes for parts of the City of Buffalo, it's a warzone down there in pockets, shootings almost on a daily basis and can't go more than 2 days without at least one homicide. But there's a pocket in the middle of that that's about 600,000 or so that's some of the best area to raise a family. Good schools, cheap cost of living, little to no property crime(it's on the rise now, because of the (frank)ing junkies, but generally they only steal from people they know).

So universal heath insurance = crap healthcare for all. You can't walk without crutches and it takes WEEKS to get an MRI? That's pathetic.

I had a back issue (missed about 3 weeks of work), but the pain never went away, and my Dr. ordered an MRI. I had United Healthcare Insurance through my employer. Had the MRI within one week, saw my Dr. with the results within another week, and started a physical therapy regime immediately thereafter. I've heard a back MRI in Canada can take months to schedule. I've also heard Canadians with the funds come to the US for their healthcare needs. That says it all.
- quackup

im sure those Americans without coverage that can't afford their meds and or have lost loved ones for no other reason than they can't afford treatment are stoked on your shorter wait times for your sore back

Did you just attempt to draw a comparison with universal coverage while neglecting the fact that everyone actually has access to it in our system ? Pathetic indeed.
Our model is terribly far from perfect, but your post is insane

im sure those Americans without coverage that can't afford their meds and or have lost loved ones for no other reason than they can't afford treatment are stoked on your shorter wait times for your sore back

Did you just attempt to draw a comparison with universal coverage while neglecting the fact that everyone actually has access to it in our system ? Pathetic indeed.
Our model is terribly far from perfect, but your post is insane
- HB77

Look at the proposed budget and health care plans from the GOP and it is pretty clear what the priority is. Greed. And while their voters turn their heads away and wait on the so called '"moral" issues that the republicans are sure to eventually deliver on, legislation has been passed that flies in the face of everything that Jesus Christ stood for.

Even for the few people who are actually in the financial position to reap significant benefits from their plans, it makes little sense to strive toward such an unbalanced system. Income inequality is not healthy, ask the ancient Greeks.

This statement is true of false depending on the state you live in. In NY teacher unions are strong, in Florida not so much. As bad as the politics is(and it is a huge problem although I blame the state of NY more then the unions) , its nothing compared to the state of education in South Florida or New Orleans where Unions are non existent and Charters rule the day.
- Brianandr1

Charter schools are just another red herring in the arsenal of the greedy and the solipsistic. The rich have for years been aggravated by the fact that they have to pay the bulk of their property taxes towards the local school system while at the same time shelling out thousands to send little jimmy to prep school. The charter/voucher system is simply a way to allow them to save money by diverting their tax money toward their private school. They could give a f*** less about other kids education or the quality of their schools.

I don't get what you mean that other teams are looking at the Penguins and thinking if they made the playoffs it would, what, be easy to beat them? They have beaten the cream of the east(and Ottawa)for the past 2 years. They came in second overall this year and now have a ton of experience and depth talent to boot. No team should realistically look at them and see them as some kind of easy out.
The Leafs got Kapanan and Rychel for Kessel, not sure how they got Mathews out of that trade?
Phil Kessel is not on the third line and has not been for most of the year.
All those dmen you mentioned are top pairing guys. Maybe you should stop looking up stats and start watching the actual games. You cannot accurately statistically analyze something as chaotic as hockey. If the same play were to start out one way 100 times it would have a different ending 100 times. And how do you quantify defensive play anyways?

I am only condescending and superior to ideas like Donald Trump, the earth being flat, face tats, owning the Dog the Bounty Hunter soundtrack on cd, or people who wear fedoras.


- james_tanner1

You're being incredibly disingenuous here. You are routinely condescending and act superior on a regular basis to those who don't agree with you on pretty much every topic you discuss or bring up. It's your MO. If you don't believe what I believe, then you're stupid and uneducated. Then there is the routine of "every educated intellectual believes what I believe".

I am not one of those superior liberal ____ who thinks you should eat vegan and watch Girls. I just think having an insane person with likely a debilitating metal disease and who is old, out of shape, uninformed and objectively bad at his job, while scaring and destabilizing the entire world, yes I do feel superior to people who want to collaborate with that.
- james_tanner1

Stating that he is insane and has a debilitating mental disease is absurd. An intelligent and educated person knows that you can't diagnose a mental condition from afar. LOL. As far as out of shape, those that work with him say that his work ethic is insane and routinely consists of 12+ hour jobs and he outworks most people. Clearly by how he has tapped into what the American people want to win the election, he is not uninformed. He has made some political mistakes due to the environment he is faced with in Washington, but his first 100+ days in office have been strong! He isn't destabilizing the World, he's bringing it back in line! He's correcting what Obama destroyed and again putting the United States of America back i charge and leading the World. The comments you make here are the comments of someone who is uninformed and lack intelligence.

New day pretty much same content. All food groups covered

- more trump nonsense
- ovy is unlucky
- Gardner is elite
- Josie is not good
- pens have 9 first line players

The mooslim half white half black former president has divided this country more than any other recent president

To be fair, Fox News has brainwashed an entire generation - and it's the baby boomers, who make up the biggest demographic of anyone - and Trump won specifically because of old people, so while education is not perfect, it's not the main problem either.

Charter schools are a scam, teaching to testing is a bad idea, and more people need to be able to go to college or university without drowning in debt.

But the main problem continues to be the media - there's too much corporate money in media and there is not enough trust in the media (for good reason). Fox is the biggest issue because of how it's misinformation, but other outlets are not perfect.

The death of print and the rise of the internet certainly plays a part - it's all really complicated and interconnected - but Fox News has turned a lot of people insane.
- james_tanner1

Yes and you're one of them.

Hilarious. Name me one thing previously run by the government that was improved by privatization. The privatization of anything is about one thing and one thing only: unfettered greed.

What we need is a bigger government and less privatization.
- james_tanner1

Lol, what a tool or is this where you say I'm just joking again?
Toolboy

I certainly do not. I know he dropped out - because Trump made him unelectable.
- james_tanner1

He dropped out because he doesn't speak French and he knew he couldn't defeat Trudeau without any Quebec seats. A final backroom meeting with Bernier sealed the deal.

You're (frank)ing pathetic.

Did you seriously just refer to him as "Obummer"?

That hilarious transgression aside, Obama is pretty much the standard definition of a centrist politician. Not only did he actively work to suppress the more progressive side of the Democratic Party, but he is a war hawk, the drone king, and his health-care bill was invented by Mitt Romney.

I mean, as a person who is honourable, dignified and respectable, I am a huge Obama fan, but politically he is hardly distinguishable from Ronald Reagan.
- james_tanner1

Another bunch of nonsense from an idiot blowhard. Obama, the idiot, is not a war hawk and had no idea what was in the health care bill, As seen by his many lies about it.... Listen to the people who did write it. It was just a scam for more income redistribution

So universal heath insurance = crap healthcare for all. You can't walk without crutches and it takes WEEKS to get an MRI? That's pathetic.

I had a back issue (missed about 3 weeks of work), but the pain never went away, and my Dr. ordered an MRI. I had United Healthcare Insurance through my employer. Had the MRI within one week, saw my Dr. with the results within another week, and started a physical therapy regime immediately thereafter. I've heard a back MRI in Canada can take months to schedule. I've also heard Canadians with the funds come to the US for their healthcare needs. That says it all.
- quackup

What that says is that we're willing to make some sacrifices so that every single person has access to doctors and healthcare. Your party is attempting to take 14 million people off healthcare. That's almost half the population on Canada and we have zero people who are not on healthcare.

So yeah, my rich ass can wait for an MRI so that no one has to go without.