He had more than one good season. Nice try, again. Keep going though. It's fun watching you be stubborn.
- Rinosaur

Good season, and dominant season are not one in the same. Nice try.

Thanks babe.
- j.boyd919

I want to make love to your armpit.

Well then, wouldn't he have been in "dominant form" for the majority of his "dominant year?" If so, that's not "never."
- jmatchett383

Thanks for the assist

Good season, and dominant season are not one in the same. Nice try.
- j.boyd919

He had one dominant season, well two. So there's that.

Thanks for the assist
- Rinosaur

I was never a great goal scorer.

Really though, this argument has become a classic who has the bigger Richard/can piss further.

Rinne had a small chunk of his career where he was a top-5 goalie. He has regained that form since the playoffs began. Agreed?

Well then, wouldn't he have been in "dominant form" for the majority of his "dominant year?" If so, that's not "never."
- jmatchett383

I never said never hahaha, I actually just asked when he was in dominant from. If there was a consistent dominant form, I could get behind that. That would be like Jonathan Cheechoo playing another year after nose diving off a cliff and putting up say.. 80 points... he returned to his dominant form, you know that ONE season he put up 93 points. Because that dominant form is the norm for him.

I never said never hahaha, I actually just asked when he was in dominant from. If there was a consistent dominant form, I could get behind that. That would be like Jonathan Cheechoo playing another year after nose diving off a cliff and putting up say.. 80 points... he returned to his dominant form, you know that ONE season he put up 93 points. Because that dominant form is the norm for him.
- j.boyd919

A little too often you like to argue for the sake of arguing and it's cute.

Sofi Ryan... enjoy

I never said never hahaha, I actually just asked when he was in dominant from. If there was a consistent dominant form, I could get behind that. That would be like Jonathan Cheechoo playing another year after nose diving off a cliff and putting up say.. 80 points... he returned to his dominant form, you know that ONE season he put up 93 points. Because that dominant form is the norm for him.
- j.boyd919

Dude had 1 outlier, dominant year lol, so he was never in "dominant form" he had one good season, as in, it's not normal.
- j.boyd919

Just sayin...

Edit: Seriously, let's either move on or just let this die.

Just sayin...

Edit: Seriously, let's either move on or just let this die.
- jmatchett383

Oh, well I guess I did say never. Whoooops. Either way, I still don't believe one outlier season speaks of dominance.

Sadly, "Scoring Chances" as well as "High Danger Scoring Chances" are actually a stat that the analytics community have defined. They've also come up with a way to calculate and quantigy "luck", so....

Oddly enough, not all goals come about from "Scoring Chances." So you don't need a chance to score in order to score. My 17-year-old self is very happy to know this.
- jmatchett383

How are they defined? And Im not trying to be a troll here, I am genuinely interested in how they define shot attempts while taking into account:

Where the shot was from
Who took the shot
What type of shot it was (slapper, backhand)
Was there a screen
Was there a deflection
Was it off a rebound
Was it off a pass
Was the pass from Crosby
Was it a break away
Was it a 2-1, 3-1, 2-0 ect..
Was it a rolling puck
Did it go off the post and in
Did it go off the post and bounce to Dzingle
Was the shot on the ice
Was it freshly cleaned ice
How high off the ground was the shot
Who was in net

There's got to be unlimited variables.

How are they defined? And Im not trying to be a troll here, I am genuinely interested in how they define shot attempts while taking into account:

Where the shot was from
Who took the shot
What type of shot it was (slapper, backhand)
Was there a screen
Was there a deflection
Was it off a rebound
Was it off a pass
Was the pass from Crosby
Was it a break away
Was it a 2-1, 3-1, 2-0 ect..
Was it a rolling puck
Did it go off the post and in
Did it go off the post and bounce to Dzingle
Was the shot on the ice
Was it freshly cleaned ice
How high off the ground was the shot
Who was in net

There's got to be unlimited variables.
- stackthepads

It's the old War-on-Ice definition. Based on location, attempt type and if it's a rush or rebound attempt. A high danger chance is any unblocked attempt (miss/shot/goal) or blocked rush/rebound attempt from the blue, or any unblocked rush/rebound attempt in the red. A scoring chance is any attempt (block/miss/shot/goal) from the blue, any unblocked attempt or blocked rush/rebound attempt in the red, or any unblocked rush/rebound attempt in the yellow.

Just sayin...

Edit: Seriously, let's either move on or just let this die.
- jmatchett383

If there was a string of consistency, I could get behind it. But there wasn't he's been up and down his whole career. Much like Fleury. Would anyone ever say Fleury was at one point dominant in his career? (frank) no they wouldn't.

If there was a string of consistency, I could get behind it. But there wasn't he's been up and down his whole career. Much like Fleury. Would anyone ever say Fleury was at one point dominant in his career? (frank) no they wouldn't.
- j.boyd919

Just go look up Sofi Ryan and relax. Thank me later

Just go look up Sofi Ryan and relax. Thank me later
- Rinosaur

Ha, I'm always relaxed on here lol don't worry.

It's the old War-on-Ice definition. Based on location, attempt type and if it's a rush or rebound attempt. A high danger chance is any unblocked attempt (miss/shot/goal) or blocked rush/rebound attempt from the blue, or any unblocked rush/rebound attempt in the red. A scoring chance is any attempt (block/miss/shot/goal) from the blue, any unblocked attempt or blocked rush/rebound attempt in the red, or any unblocked rush/rebound attempt in the yellow.
- j.boyd919

I'm reading the war on ice glossary, gimme a few.

Just go look up Sofi Ryan and relax. Thank me later
- Rinosaur

I've been on a blonde kick as of late. But I'll keep her on the back burner.

As a Preds fan for the past 18 seasons, I would agree that Rinne is not one of the most dominant goalies in the league over the course of his career. I think he's been a top 10 goaltender the past decade or so, but Price, Lundquist & a few others have been consistently better than him. Sure, he has had some dominant 6-8 week stretches during several seasons where he was really playing well.

I do think some things go unnoticed in his game that make him a better goalie that pure stats may indicate. For example, he is excellent at playing the puck on dump ins & behind the net. So good, in fact, that he often limits the number of chances (especially high danger chances) of other teams. That doesn't show up in his save %, but there are certain saves he just never has to make.

Also, in the past, Rinne has played for a team that just got blistered in possession numbers. Sure, the Preds had good defenders that help push shots to the perimeter and such, but they did not have D-men that could help keep the puck in the offensive zone. So even some of their strongest playoff teams had putrid possession numbers. When 60% of the play is in your own end, a goaltenders numbers are going to suffer - no matter how good they are.

To be fair, he has a demonstrated weakness to the high blocker side, and he often struggles with the bad angle shots. Those things contribute to his performances that often vex Preds fans, when he makes 15 acrobatic saves in a row, and then lets in a softy off his left pad from a terrible angle.

I think that's why he's a classic "tweener" goalie in terms of dominance or where he fits among his peers as far as the best goalies are concerned. The eye test folks are going to be enamored with his puck play and fantastic range and good glove. The stats folks are going to be underwhelmed by some of his fancy stats, not to mention only slightly above average save percentage and GAA.

He has been playing better this postseason. If he can keep it up for a few more games, he may have a Conn Smythe trophy on his mantle, regardless of what the stats say.

He had one dominant season, well two. So there's that.
- Rinosaur

Of the 59 goalies that have 2500+ mins over the last 3 seasons at 5v5 Rinne is 33rd in GSAA/60...

DOMINANT!!!

The Preds haven't faced an elite team since the Hawks in the playoffs. This series they do not have Fiala Fisher or Johannsen Pens in 6
- dirt4949

LOL! Chicago was not elite, and is not elite.

Preds will chew up and spit out the Pens.

Preds in 5

Of the 59 goalies that have 2500+ mins over the last 3 seasons at 5v5 Rinne is 33rd in GSAA/60...

DOMINANT!!!
- Feds91Stammer

Chill out, Tanner.

I've been on a blonde kick as of late. But I'll keep her on the back burner.
- j.boyd919

She used to be blonde. lol

Chill out, Tanner.
- Rinosaur

What a dominant response...

Preds will chew up and spit out the Pens.

Preds in 5
- TheCalSen

I'm sure you're hoping that happens

What a dominant response...
- Feds91Stammer

I know, thanks!