What exactly do you guys see in Ceci that is so worthy of protection? Honest question. I saw nothing more than a bottom pairing defenseman, and his numbers reflect that as well, IMO.
- j.boyd919

It's not what WE see, it's what management apparently sees. He is still young, plays a lot of minutes, has draft pedigree, etc. I mean, he doesn't play particularly well over all his minutes, but it's clear with the role he's been assigned that they expect him to blossom into a strong top-4 guy.

I don't think he lacks the skill, but he sure is slow to react out there. Not a lot of 'hockey sense'.

My personal hope is that we package him off for Drouin or Niederreiter. Maybe some other team will overvalue him as much as Ottawa does.

I thought he was a Habs fan, doesn't say he's a Pens fan anywhere.
- Mr_Clean

never seen him the Habs thread, it's most likely twistedmike's alt account

It's not what WE see, it's what management apparently sees. He is still young, plays a lot of minutes, has draft pedigree, etc. I mean, he doesn't play particularly well over all his minutes, but it's clear with the role he's been assigned that they expect him to blossom into a strong top-4 guy.

I don't think he lacks the skill, but he sure is slow to react out there. Not a lot of 'hockey sense'.

My personal hope is that we package him off for Drouin or Niederreiter. Maybe some other team will overvalue him as much as Ottawa does.
- Mr_Clean

I dunno if you follow Michael Stuart on twitter (old HB lightning blogger) but he said the Sens said no to trading Ceci to the lightning in what I am guessing was a Drouin trade when he requested it back then?

"Every time I watch Cody Ceci I find myself beyond thankful that Ottawa said no."

I could see it if he plays like the.... Brian Dumolin role to Letang, but Ceci to Karlsson kinda thing. Dumo is a decent player, nothing flashy, not fast, and doesn't produce offense... but he helps stabilize the Letang pairing a lot, oddly enough. I remember being intrigued by Ceci when the Pens were shopping for D a few seasons ago, his first couple seasons seemed promising. I just hadn't followed until the playoffs this year.

I thought he was a Habs fan, doesn't say he's a Pens fan anywhere.
- Mr_Clean

Pretty sure he's a Pens fan?

Pretty sure he's a Pens fan?
- j.boyd919

Nah I'm a Thrashers fan

Nah I'm a Thrashers fan
- Guile

I dunno if you follow Michael Stuart on twitter (old HB lightning blogger) but he said the Sens said no to trading Ceci to the lightning in what I am guessing was a Drouin trade when he requested it back then?

"Every time I watch Cody Ceci I find myself beyond thankful that Ottawa said no."

I could see it if he plays like the.... Brian Dumolin role to Letang, but Ceci to Karlsson kinda thing. Dumo is a decent player, nothing flashy, not fast, and doesn't produce offense... but he helps stabilize the Letang pairing a lot, oddly enough. I remember being intrigued by Ceci when the Pens were shopping for D a few seasons ago, his first couple seasons seemed promising. I just hadn't followed until the playoffs this year.
- j.boyd919

No-one should want to have Ceci. But who knows, people get intrigued by 'potential' all the time it seems.... If we get the likes of Nieds or Drouin for Ceci++, it shouldn't be because those GMs think Ceci is as good as those players, but because the ++ is decent and they need inexpensive pieces/their player stands to get a substantial raise.

His development has stalled pretty hard the last couple of years, although I thought he made more good plays in these playoffs than during the regular season...

No-one should want to have Ceci. But who knows, people get intrigued by 'potential' all the time it seems.... If we get the likes of Nieds or Drouin for Ceci++, it shouldn't be because those GMs think Ceci is as good as those players, but because the ++ is decent and they need inexpensive pieces/their player stands to get a substantial raise.

His development has stalled pretty hard the last couple of years, although I thought he made more good plays in these playoffs than during the regular season...
- Mr_Clean

I laughed out loud at that hahahaha

Gotcha, makes sense. Granted, I only really saw 7 or 8 games of him. So that's not enough to really pass judgement.

Helluva run too bad they didn't move on. THE Sens fans should be proud of their team, great Spring.

Melnyks uber cheapness will hold this team back

Fans need to run him out of town

What exactly do you guys see in Ceci that is so worthy of protection? Honest question. I saw nothing more than a bottom pairing defenseman, and his numbers reflect that as well, IMO.
- j.boyd919

The real question is whether a small-market team on an internal budget can afford to lose a 23yo defenceman on a $2.8M bridge contract who has pretty good overall ability and is the only non-Karlsson RH option worth talking about on their roster/prospect list... as opposed to a LH defenceman in Methot who will turn 32 this summer and makes $4.9M/yr in an almost purely defensive role.

Now factor in that they have prospects like Claesson, Harpur, and Englund as potential successors to Methot's role, and the reality that they're now just 1yr away from having to give significant raises to both Stone and Turris and figure out what to do about their goaltending situation, and 2yrs away from having to go all-in on Karlsson long-term.

The real question is whether a small-market team on an internal budget can afford to lose a 23yo defenceman on a $2.8M bridge contract who has pretty good overall ability and is the only non-Karlsson RH option worth talking about on their roster/prospect list... as opposed to a LH defenceman in Methot who will turn 32 this summer and makes $4.9M/yr in an almost purely defensive role.

Now factor in that they have prospects like Claesson, Harpur, and Englund as potential successors to Methot's role, and the reality that they're now just 1yr away from having to give significant raises to both Stone and Turris and figure out what to do about their goaltending situation, and 2yrs away from having to go all-in on Karlsson long-term.
- khawk

good answer. Muchos gracias.

Looks like some mutual respect in this photo here:

https://www.nhl.com/pengu...s-vs-senators/c-289613818

good answer. Muchos gracias.
- j.boyd919

I can understand where you're coming from in terms of how it looks externally, but if you look at the way Boucher deployed his blueline this year, Ceci actually played more minutes in both the regular season and playoffs than anyone on the team other than Karlsson. I'm not actually sure that anyone on the team had a steeper learning curve or tougher adjustment to make under Boucher, and so I get the sense that at 23 they're thinking he's got potential value beyond what his statistics would indicate this season.

A-HOLE ALERT! ^^

PS At least learn how to spell... it's 'here' ... duh!
- legs37

Hahahaha... I noticed that as well... what a dumbass...

- j.boyd919

Lol...

never seen him the Habs thread, it's most likely twistedmike's alt account
- Symba007

Looks like some mutual respect in this photo here:

https://www.nhl.com/pengu...s-vs-senators/c-289613818
- NJPensfan

Looks like karlsson is getting ready to "lean in there" while Crosby anxiously awaits

I can understand where you're coming from in terms of how it looks externally, but if you look at the way Boucher deployed his blueline this year, Ceci actually played more minutes in both the regular season and playoffs than anyone on the team other than Karlsson. I'm not actually sure that anyone on the team had a steeper learning curve or tougher adjustment to make under Boucher, and so I get the sense that at 23 they're thinking he's got potential value beyond what his statistics would indicate this season.
- khawk

That's exactly why I was asking you guys, because you guys have way more knowledge on the subject. It'd be like you guys asking me about Maatta because you notice he's slow as (frank) in a few games.. but I could objectively point out some positives in his game.

What kinda tweaks do you see needed? From the outside looking it, it looks like you really need another top 4 D. I know Karlsson plays like 80% of the game, but it'd be nice to take a little bit of the burden off him, no? (Granted every NHL team wants another top 4 D.)
- j.boyd919

good luck with preds...you will need it. their goalie is unreal

That's exactly why I was asking you guys, because you guys have way more knowledge on the subject. It'd be like you guys asking me about Maatta because you notice he's slow as (frank) in a few games.. but I could objectively point out some positives in his game.
- j.boyd919

There are a lot of varying opinions of ceci in this fan base.

I'm of the opinion that he's a train wreck who's development has stalled.....but because of where he was drafted and the contract they gave him, management/ownership are too stuborn to give up on him because of the "what if".........similar to what we had to endure with cowen.

I don't think he's cowen level bad but I don't think he's one of the 4 best down in this organization moving forward (meaning I think there are 4-5 guys who are either better right now or will be very soon.)

good luck with preds...you will need it. their goalie is unreal
- rubberduckies

It's just Pekka Rinne, playing above his norm lol I think he's on his way back down.

He’s got a .941 save percentage for the playoffs, but it’s been dropping every round:
vs. Chicago: 0.976
vs. St. Louis: 0.932
vs. Anaheim: 0.925
His save percentage during the season was .918, and his career average is .917, so he’s way above his usual performance.

Good series gents. I may not like the system the Sens play, but there is no doubt that it is effective and they pushed the Pens to the limit. I was honestly never really concerned about the Caps series, because beating them is kind of what we do, but once the game went to OT last night I was terrified that something was going to bounce in off the back boards or the Pens we going to give up just one big chance that would lead to the back breaker. The Pens were the better team, but the better team doesn't always win, as we all know. Anderson was just tremendous as well and gave the Sens a chance even as the Pens gradually took over the territorial advantage in the series. Tip of the Cap to you all.

It's just Pekka Rinne, playing above his norm lol I think he's on his way back down.

He’s got a .941 save percentage for the playoffs, but it’s been dropping every round:
vs. Chicago: 0.976
vs. St. Louis: 0.932
vs. Anaheim: 0.925
His save percentage during the season was .918, and his career average is .917, so he’s way above his usual performance.
- j.boyd919

doesn't that include a two year run with vertigo or some (frank)ed up brain illness?

doesn't that include a two year run with vertigo or some (frank)ed up brain illness?
- prock

Jonas Hiller was the goalie who had vertigo.