No trying to take anything away from Benning here, and at no disrespect for Dahlen, but if we look at what some teams have paid for rentals, Benning didn't hit a grand slam, but he definitely hit a home run.

Brian Boyle - 2nd round pick
Dale Weise (albeit with Tomas Fleishman) - Philip Danault (former 1st rounder) + 2nd round pick
Jannik Hansen - Goldobin (former 1st rounder) + 4th round pick (conditional)
Antoine Vermette - 1st round pick to ARI
Kimmo Timonen - 2nd round pick and 4th round pick
Martin Hanzal - 1st round pick
Coburn - Gudas, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick.

My point is, while Benning got some decent returns in Dahlen, Goldobin, and a 4th round pick, they are pretty even for par returns given the history of rentals.
- Codes1087

You could also argue that most of the players traded on that list were better/had more value due to age than Burrows. That is certainly the case for Hanzal, Hansen, and Vermette

Yup. This below seems to be the straw that broke the camels back on staying.

"Jim Benning told the media it was “a real good offer,” but if I’m Tryamkin and I’m offered less than Hutton, I might just walk away too. It’s not really about the money. It’s about the respect, or lack thereof. In a season where Tryamkin often felt like his efforts and talents were not being respected, this may well have been the tipping point."
- Nuck4U

He came to camp out of shape. Was asked to go to the AHL. Said no. Thanks to injuries he got into some games.

His point total over a season looks to be about 12 points.
Hutton doubled that in his first season.

He played the least amount of any regular D.

He showed promise and was fun to watch from time to time.

The offer was probably pretty good for a 3rd pairing D.

The wife has some friends here now and I swear the reincarnation of Archie Bunker is here in my living room. He is about 85 . My Wife said nice to see you again he said have we met ? All you Filipinos look the same to me.

Then he asked me if I spoke Tagalog .I told him a little . He said its all a loud noise like speaking French . He is a British guy. Then he says nice TV can I adjust the color?

#guestfromhell
- VANTEL

Lol

The wife has some friends here now and I swear the reincarnation of Archie Bunker is here in my living room. He is about 85 . My Wife said nice to see you again he said have we met ? All you Filipinos look the same to me.

Then he asked me if I spoke Tagalog .I told him a little . He said its all a loud noise like speaking French . He is a British guy. Then he says nice TV can I adjust the color?

#guestfromhell
- VANTEL

The wife has some friends here now and I swear the reincarnation of Archie Bunker is here in my living room. He is about 85 . My Wife said nice to see you again he said have we met ? All you Filipinos look the same to me.

Then he asked me if I spoke Tagalog .I told him a little . He said its all a loud noise like speaking French . He is a British guy. Then he says nice TV can I adjust the color?

#guestfromhell
- VANTEL

Reply to him in french that adjusting the colour may be hard to do with two black eyes.

You could also argue that most of the players traded on that list were better/had more value due to age than Burrows. That is certainly the case for Hanzal, Hansen, and Vermette
- NorthNuck

definitely a good point. Those players though all fetched better returns though. I just don't want to give Benning too much praise. While I was insanely surprised at what came back for both players, the more I dug into past history of rentals, the more I realized they were pretty standard returns. Again, no disrespect to Dahlen or Goldobin.

Reply to him in french that adjusting the colour may be hard to do with two black eyes.
- Makita

definitely a good point. Those players though all fetched better returns though. I just don't want to give Benning too much praise. While I was insanely surprised at what came back for both players, the more I dug into past history of rentals, the more I realized they were pretty standard returns. Again, no disrespect to Dahlen or Goldobin.
- Codes1087

You think a 2nd round pick is better than Dahlen? I don't

Utica for next season

Demko
Garteig

Brisebois Subban
Sautner Chatfield


Dahlen Cassels Virtanen
Goldobin Carcone MacEwen
LaPlante

RFA LaBate, McEneny, Valk

Could be a pretty young team.

You think a 2nd round pick is better than Dahlen? I don't
- CanuckDon

Hanzal fetched a 1st round pick
Vermette fetched a 1st round pick
Hansen fetched a former 1st rounder, and a potential 1st round pick.

Dahlen is a prospect, who has shown promise and potential, and has lived up to his draft position, but has not proven anything. I am not saying I would rather a 2nd round pick instead of Dahlen at all, I am just stating Benning didn't pull a heist with those trades. He got fair market value for both players if you compare recent rental trades.

Utica for next season

Demko
Garteig

Brisebois Subban
Sautner Chatfield


Dahlen Cassels Virtanen
Goldobin Carcone MacEwen
LaPlante

RFA LaBate, McEneny, Valk

Could be a pretty young team.
- manvanfan

Except I think one of JV or Goldy will make the Nux

You think a 2nd round pick is better than Dahlen? I don't
- CanuckDon

Benning is pretty high on Demko Gaudette and OJ. He wants something closer to NHL ready. He will get seven picks at the draft to plan for the future. Dahlen and Goldobin were for these next few years.

I agree he got good deals

Hanzal fetched a 1st round pick
Vermette fetched a 1st round pick
Hansen fetched a former 1st rounder, and a potential 1st round pick.

Dahlen is a prospect, who has shown promise and potential, and has lived up to his draft position, but has not proven anything. I am not saying I would rather a 2nd round pick instead of Dahlen at all, I am just stating Benning didn't pull a heist with those trades. He got fair market value for both players if you compare recent rental trades.
- Codes1087

Top 6 centers aren't a great comparison to Burrows. Dahlen is a better prospect than Goblin in my opinion. We won't agree because we don't evaluate Burrows the same way. I would have taken a 5th for him I agree it's not a heist. He made a nice trade that's all

Hanzal fetched a 1st round pick
Vermette fetched a 1st round pick
Hansen fetched a former 1st rounder, and a potential 1st round pick.

Dahlen is a prospect, who has shown promise and potential, and has lived up to his draft position, but has not proven anything. I am not saying I would rather a 2nd round pick instead of Dahlen at all, I am just stating Benning didn't pull a heist with those trades. He got fair market value for both players if you compare recent rental trades.
- Codes1087

I still say 2 of those are poor examples.

Hanzal is 6 years younger, puts up more points, has size, and good on faceoffs. Has much more value than Burrows.

Vermette same reasons although he puts up less than Hanzal and is closer to Burrs age.

Hansen is a decent comparison because he plays wing as well, similar size, point totals, etc. But he is 5 years younger than Burr and on a better contract

Except I think one of JV or Goldy will make the Nux
- NorthNuck

That's quite possible. I was just listing the players that could be AHL bound for Van's prospects. I could have added BB, Stecher,

I forgot about Molino too. Oops. Possible Darren Raddysh and Alexander Kerfoot also.

I still say 2 of those are poor examples.

Hanzal is 6 years younger, puts up more points, has size, and good on faceoffs. Has much more value than Burrows.

Vermette same reasons although he puts up less than Hanzal and is closer to Burrs age.

Hansen is a decent comparison because he plays wing as well, similar size, point totals, etc. But he is 5 years younger than Burr and on a better contract
- NorthNuck

Even Boyle is a bad comparison. He is huge and produces as much on a better contract. Weiss is a decent comparable

Benning is pretty high on Demko Gaudette and OJ. He wants something closer to NHL ready. He will get seven picks at the draft to plan for the future. Dahlen and Goldobin were for these next few years.

I agree he got good deals
- VANTEL

I really hope he doesn't pick anymore 19 year olds unless they are already playing against men. Ie. Tree.

Mackenzie, Stukel, Pettit, Stewart, Abols. Don't really seem as if they are going to pan out.

Top 6 centers aren't a great comparison to Burrows. Dahlen is a better prospect than Goblin in my opinion. We won't agree because we don't evaluate Burrows the same way. I would have taken a 5th for him I agree it's not a heist. He made a nice trade that's all
- CanuckDon

We could go back and forth all day on the comparison of Burrows and past rentals. Vermette was a top 6 center on Arizona, but he certainly wasn't in Chicago, and same with Anaheim lol. My point wasn't trying to compare the individual stats of players, just the market and returns for rentals to playoff teams.

We could go back and forth all day on the comparison of Burrows and past rentals. Vermette was a top 6 center on Arizona, but he certainly wasn't in Chicago, and same with Anaheim lol. My point wasn't trying to compare the individual stats of players, just the market and returns for rentals to playoff teams.
- Codes1087

But when you're talking about the market and return you have to consider quality of the product or else the exercise is pointless. We couldn't have traded Skille off for a 1st at the TDL because players of his caliber aren't worth that. What we're saying is for the tier of player Burr is at this point JB seems to have gotten above average value in that trade, though we have yet to see how Dahlen turns out

But when you're talking about the market and return you have to consider quality of the product or else the exercise is pointless. We couldn't have traded Skille off for a 1st at the TDL because players of his caliber aren't worth that. What we're saying is for the tier of player Burr is at this point JB seems to have gotten above average value in that trade, though we have yet to see how Dahlen turns out
- NorthNuck

I dunno about that. Burrows was inserted into the top 6 immediately in OTT. 11 points in 20 games isn't shabby at all. He has been one of the more effective rentals that was dealt at this trade deadline I would say (apart from Eaves)

Hanzal fetched a 1st round pick
Vermette fetched a 1st round pick
Hansen fetched a former 1st rounder, and a potential 1st round pick.

Dahlen is a prospect, who has shown promise and potential, and has lived up to his draft position, but has not proven anything. I am not saying I would rather a 2nd round pick instead of Dahlen at all, I am just stating Benning didn't pull a heist with those trades. He got fair market value for both players if you compare recent rental trades.
- Codes1087

Considering that mostly everyone here thought we would be lucky to get a 3rd in this years draft for Burrows, getting Dahlen was a steal.

I dunno about that. Burrows was inserted into the top 6 immediately in OTT. 11 points in 20 games isn't shabby at all. He has been one of the more effective rentals that was dealt at this trade deadline I would say (apart from Eaves)
- Codes1087

He played great once he got there sure, but they couldn't see the future as to how he was going to play. Over the last few years he had been declining and while he has had a better year this year I think many figured he was having a last hurrah and getting a boost playing with Bo and Sven

I dunno about that. Burrows was inserted into the top 6 immediately in OTT. 11 points in 20 games isn't shabby at all. He has been one of the more effective rentals that was dealt at this trade deadline I would say (apart from Eaves)
- Codes1087

limited to 5 assists in 18 games when it counts

limited to 5 assists in 18 games when it counts
- CanuckDon

GO SENS GO!

GO SENS GO!
- manvanfan

GO PENS GO! SENS SUCK