I'm unreasonably mad
- Mordecai

What's wrong bae?

Go Sens!!

Not only to ruin the Pens season, which is always a good thing, but to also make Gary Bettman miserable which is just priceless!!

Making ol Regis miserable as well would just be a wonderful bonus!

oh and, (frank) THE RANGERS!!!

Go Sens!!

Not only to ruin the Pens season, which is always a good thing, but to also make Gary Bettman miserable which is just priceless!!

Making ol Regis miserable as well would just be a wonderful bonus!

oh and, (frank) THE RANGERS!!!
- BiggE

Agreed on all accounts

False narrative on your part here. It's widely known that the Flyers want to sign another goaltender to share the net with Neuvirth. They are however okay if they're not able to do that in having Neuvirth as the starter with perhaps Stolarz as the backup. There is no guarantee that they will get the player they want. Nwuvirth is an insurance policy for them without having to get into a bigger deal with a player they really don't want.
- MJL

How do you claim that his statement is a false narrative? Do you work for the team, are you in on their discussions? You have absolutely no way to know that his statement is false. It is just your opinion.

How do you claim that his statement is a false narrative? Do you work for the team, are you in on their discussions? You have absolutely no way to know that his statement is false. It is just your opinion.
- BiggE

It's about what he's insinuating about my statement. So yes I can say that. It's also good to know you and anybody else can't offer an opinion on what the Flyers are thinking or doing, such as Berneir being their target because you aren't in on their discussions and don't work for the team.

It's about what he's insinuating about my statement. So yes I can say that. It's also good to know you and anybody else can't offer an opinion on what the Flyers are thinking or doing, such as Berneir being their target because you aren't in on their discussions and don't work for the team.
- MJL

you didn't say that his statement was "in your opinion", you stated it as fact.

edit: furthermore, I believe, in my opinion, that Mono's statement was a reasonable one. Since the Flyers couldn't know, for sure, at the time who would be available in the offseason to pair with Neuvirth, they must be at least somewhat secure with going into the season with Neuvirth as their starter.

What moves were they?
- MJL

He could've cut ties with one of their goalies at the deadline for a backup he envisioned being here similar to how Chad Johnson was traded for Michal Neuvirth. Could also trade for a guys rights after the season and sign him before the expansion draft. I think part of the reason Neuvirth signed before the deadline was because Hextall might've done something if he felt he needed to. It would've been very ballsy for the statistically worst goalie in the NHL last year to go ahead and try to leverage his GM into a corner.

Completely different situations with Schultz and Bellemare.
- MJL

Ummm okay? If you say so, I guess it must be true. All three veteran depth players that signed 2 year extensions for more than we expected...I would call that similar

If the Flyers had an established starter under contract, there is no way Neuvirth would've gotten that much money from the Flyers.
- MJL

That is my point. He isn't paid like a backup. They didn't pay him like that because they had to, because they most definitely did not. Why hasn't Calgary signed one of their goalies to an extension yet?

I can't say the flyers are any kind of imminent threat to be a powerhouse.

I need more from hexy than what I've seen regarding veteran players.

we are just another middling team unless proven otherwise

I can't say the flyers are any kind of imminent threat to be a powerhouse.

I need more from hexy than what I've seen regarding veteran players.

we are just another middling team unless proven otherwise
- Just5

Fair statement. Other than Provorov and to a lesser extent Konecny and Ghost, we have no way of knowing if the other highly regarded prospects will turn to be quality NHL players.

That being said, I think the following are all reasonable expectations:

That out of Sanheim, Hagg, Morin and Myers, at least 2 turn out to be top 4 Dmen

That out of this years #2 pick, Rubtsov, Konecny, Lindblom, and Laberge, that at least 2 of them turn out to be top 6 forwards and at least one other, top 9.

That out of Sandstrom and Hart, at least one turns into a quality NHL starting goalie.

If these statements hold true, they should be in pretty good shape.

Just my fart-flavored opinion here... but I don't think there's any chance that Vegas would take either Neuvirth or Stolarz in expansion over somebody like Raffl or Laughton or Cousins. If Hextall acquires another goalie before the draft he just has to protect that goalie.
- Coburns_Nose

Stolarz would be a great pick for Vegas. He could safely sent to the AHL without having to clear waivers and be the starting goalie on the Chicago Wolves.

Hextall is going to get a veteran goalie in free agency, not trade for one before the ED.

Stolarz would be a great pick for Vegas. He could safely sent to the AHL without having to clear waivers and be the starting goalie on the Chicago Wolves.

Hextall is going to get a veteran goalie in free agency, not trade for one before the ED.
- Feanor

I agree, but I don't think Stolarz will be the guy Vegas takes. I think one of Laughton, Cousins or Raffl will be the guy taken.

edit: You are spot on though with them getting their other vet goalie in FA.

Vegas won't take Stolarz because they can't take protected players. But if he was unprotected, a big, young goalie like him would be a great addition to a franchise with a farm team to fill out. Of course in 17-18 they are sharing Chicago with the Blues, but it doesn't help them build for the future for the Wolves to be made up of 95% St Louis prospects.

It's going to be very difficult for Vegas to find any player in the ED who doesn't have to go thru waivers to play on their AHL team. Then in the actual draft most of their picks won't be AHL eligible or AHL ready.

edit: furthermore, I believe, in my opinion, that Mono's statement was a reasonable one. Since the Flyers couldn't know, for sure, at the time who would be available in the offseason to pair with Neuvirth, they must be at least somewhat secure with going into the season with Neuvirth as their starter.
- BiggE

I think Hextall was pretty clear in his end of season press conference that he plans on signing another veteran goalie, and there will be plenty of them available on July 1st.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...s-masons-platoon-thoughts

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-flyers/ron-hextall-prefers-short-term-veteran-goalie-disagrees-masons-platoon-thoughts
- Feanor

"I guess if you ask the Pittsburgh Penguins right now, they'd say you need two, right?" Hextall said, referring to Marc-Andre Fleury and Matt Murray, who was injured in warmups before Game 1 Wednesday against Columbus.

I think this is where the disconnect is for me. Having a clear #1 is different from having only 1 guy that can be a starter. Matt Murray is Pittsburgh's clear #1, and Fleury has the ability to carry the workload when needed

They are however okay if they're not able to do that in having Neuvirth as the starter with perhaps Stolarz as the backup.

I can't think of one thing Hextall has ever said or done that would make me think he'd be OK with expecting ~50 NHL starts out of Neuvirth and ~30 out of Stolarz in 17-18. He always says he wants kids to beat out veterans for a spot, not just have it handed to them. And in goalie terms, Stolarz at 23 and Lyon at 24 are still just kids.

I also cannot think of a situation where they would be unable to sign a veteran goalie for a short term deal in the current marketplace. There are more FA goalies than there are open spots, and the Flyers are in great shape with the salary cap.

What's wrong bae?
- Streit2ThePoint

The crushing weight of existential dread

First night without NHL hockey since Round 3 eve. 12 days ago? Something like that
- YuenglingJagr

And I got about 3 hours of sleep. The Children's Motrin didn't work its usual magic.

And I got about 3 hours of sleep. The Children's Motrin didn't work its usual magic.
- jmatchett383

Well, yeah...you should be taking adult Motrin

I would totally trade for and buyout Bieksa if they were willing to make it worth it for the Flyers

I can't say the flyers are any kind of imminent threat to be a powerhouse.

I need more from hexy than what I've seen regarding veteran players.

we are just another middling team unless proven otherwise
- Just5

Hexy's plan to become a power house isn't about the "veteran players". It's about the influx of youth that is coming. Yes he will need the proper veteran players in place to compliment them but he get's criticized for doing that when he signs players like Bellemare to 2 year extensions.

Hexy's plan to become a power house isn't about the "veteran players". It's about the influx of youth that is coming. Yes he will need the proper veteran players in place to compliment them but he get's criticized for doing that when he signs players like Bellemare to 2 year extensions.
- Baxter27

I agree with the youth being the part that will define Hextall, but I do think the "veteran players" part he was mentioning was in regards to Hextall's evaluation of pro talent when the time becomes necessary

The crushing weight of existential dread
- Mordecai

Hexy's plan to become a power house isn't about the "veteran players". It's about the influx of youth that is coming. Yes he will need the proper veteran players in place to compliment them but he get's criticized for doing that when he signs players like Bellemare to 2 year extensions.
- Baxter27

Rightly so re: Bellemare criticism.

you didn't say that his statement was "in your opinion", you stated it as fact.

edit: furthermore, I believe, in my opinion, that Mono's statement was a reasonable one. Since the Flyers couldn't know, for sure, at the time who would be available in the offseason to pair with Neuvirth, they must be at least somewhat secure with going into the season with Neuvirth as their starter.
- BiggE

That's your hang up not mine. I'm offering my opinion no differently than anyone else. I'll await to see if you hold yourself to the standard of always stating in your posts that what you're posting is your opinion.

What you said in your edit is exactly what I'm stating!

He could've cut ties with one of their goalies at the deadline for a backup he envisioned being here similar to how Chad Johnson was traded for Michal Neuvirth. Could also trade for a guys rights after the season and sign him before the expansion draft. I think part of the reason Neuvirth signed before the deadline was because Hextall might've done something if he felt he needed to. It would've been very ballsy for the statistically worst goalie in the NHL last year to go ahead and try to leverage his GM into a corner.


- YuenglingJagr

You could look at any situation and come up with a hypothetical. It's about what the Flyers were comfortable with. I could offer umpteen hypotheticals to counter what you stated they could've done. What's obvious is that one they are comfortable with Neuvirth as the starter as a fall back position if they can't find another goalie to either take over as the starter or to share the net. Lastly, the fact that the Flyers paid what they did to the statistically worst goalie in the NHL last year shows that Neuvirth had some leverage with the Flyers, as I explained previously.

Ummm okay? If you say so, I guess it must be true. All three veteran depth players that signed 2 year extensions for more than we expected...I would call that similar


- YuenglingJagr

Different players are signed to contracts for different reasons and to fill different roles. I guess we can look at any RFA re-signing as similar in that they are all RFA's and all are re-signed. I like to look deeper into the reasons for each individual player and each contract.

That is my point. He isn't paid like a backup. They didn't pay him like that because they had to, because they most definitely did not. Why hasn't Calgary signed one of their goalies to an extension yet?
- YuenglingJagr

They don't have to do anything! LOL. They could sign a backup out of the ECHL to be their starter next year if they wanted to. IN MY OPINION they signed him to that contract for reasons outlined in my previous post. I know you want to throw every team and every player in the same pot and call it all the same. The Flyers did what they felt they needed to do. IN MY OPINION, it's pretty obvious why they did what they did. It's not what I would prefer they had done, but it is what it is.

The crushing weight of existential dread
- Mordecai

I am here for you.