Penalties Pit Ott
Game 1 - 2 6
Game 2 - 6 6
Game 3 - 7 5 PPG - Crosby
Game 4 - 4 2 PPG - Crosby (Pit 2x too many men)
Game 5 - 5 4 PPG - Crosby, Kessel, Daley
Game 6 - 5 5 PPG - Ryan (Ott 1x too many men)
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29 28

The penalty totals in 6 games is Pittsburgh 29 (2 too many men), Ottawa 28 (1 too many men). Take out the too many men penalties and it's 27 a piece.

PPGs - Pittsburgh 5, Ottawa 1

Show me the bias reffing based on these numbers.

I mean, I think it goes without saying that it is beneficial for us for there to be fewer penalties called. And I think everyone can accept that, this being the playoffs, it is conventional for few penalties to be called.

That is not 'unfair' reffing, though. It would be more unfair to call a whole bunch of penalties, perceiving that one (more talented on the PP) team would have a better chance to win as a result.

One could say the league 'favours' the senators, or one can more reasonably say that the Senators are relatively advantaged by the way the refs traditionally call these games.

If the claim is "the Penguins would be more likely to win these games if they were played in the regular season", I would have to agree.

If the claim is that "the reffing is unfair for Pittsburgh" then I'd have to respectfully disagree, because the refs are only doing what they always do: sucking, and because it's the playoffs, calling relatively few penalties.

I mean, I think it goes without saying that it is beneficial for us for there to be fewer penalties called. And I think everyone can accept that, this being the playoffs, it is conventional for few penalties to be called.

That is not 'unfair' reffing, though. It would be more unfair to call a whole bunch of penalties, perceiving that one (more talented on the PP) team would have a better chance to win as a result.

One could say the league 'favours' the senators, or one can more reasonably say that the Senators are relatively advantaged by the way the refs traditionally call these games.

If the claim is "the Penguins would be more likely to win these games if they were played in the regular season", I would have to agree.

If the claim is that "the reffing is unfair for Pittsburgh" then I'd have to respectfully disagree, because the refs are only doing what they always do: sucking, and because it's the playoffs, calling relatively few penalties.
- Mr_Clean

Hit the nail on the head homie.

Penalties Pit Ott
Game 1 - 2 6
Game 2 - 6 6
Game 3 - 7 5 PPG - Crosby
Game 4 - 4 2 PPG - Crosby (Pit 2x too many men)
Game 5 - 5 4 PPG - Crosby, Kessel, Daley
Game 6 - 5 5 PPG - Ryan (Ott 1x too many men)
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29 28

The penalty totals in 6 games is Pittsburgh 29 (2 too many men), Ottawa 28 (1 too many men). Take out the too many men penalties and it's 27 a piece.

PPGs - Pittsburgh 5, Ottawa 1

Show me the bias reffing based on these numbers.
- legs37

It's not that penalties called are one sided.. it's the lack of consistency of the types of calls, ie: Hainsey called for interference (yes, it was interference.) vs. Sid getting interfered with by the net (absolutely was interference) but was not called. That is the inconsistencies.

Penalties Pit Ott
Game 1 - 2 6
Game 2 - 6 6
Game 3 - 7 5 PPG - Crosby
Game 4 - 4 2 PPG - Crosby (Pit 2x too many men)
Game 5 - 5 4 PPG - Crosby, Kessel, Daley
Game 6 - 5 5 PPG - Ryan (Ott 1x too many men)
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29 28

The penalty totals in 6 games is Pittsburgh 29 (2 too many men), Ottawa 28 (1 too many men). Take out the too many men penalties and it's 27 a piece.

PPGs - Pittsburgh 5, Ottawa 1

Show me the bias reffing based on these numbers.
- legs37

Pens had a too many men in game 6 as well

Umm, the Pens are one of the most hated franchises because of Crosby and their success. We get the "Betman wants the Pens to win", "refs favor the Pens", "Crosby is a baby" from all fanbases, when all of that is complete garbage.
- cap1681

People hate the Pens because there were the very original team that went all in on the tank.

Then they won a lottery for a 1st pick.

Then they spent years pretending that their team's success was "genius" and that they were smarter than other teams fans.

Chicago fans... exactly the same thing. There is nothing more stupid than believing your sports IQ goes up because the team in your city won something.

I mean, I think it goes without saying that it is beneficial for us for there to be fewer penalties called. And I think everyone can accept that, this being the playoffs, it is conventional for few penalties to be called.

That is not 'unfair' reffing, though. It would be more unfair to call a whole bunch of penalties, perceiving that one (more talented on the PP) team would have a better chance to win as a result.

One could say the league 'favours' the senators, or one can more reasonably say that the Senators are relatively advantaged by the way the refs traditionally call these games.

If the claim is "the Penguins would be more likely to win these games if they were played in the regular season", I would have to agree.

If the claim is that "the reffing is unfair for Pittsburgh" then I'd have to respectfully disagree, because the refs are only doing what they always do: sucking, and because it's the playoffs, calling relatively few penalties.
- Mr_Clean

I just hate this refereeing cleansie. It is ruining these games.

It was Anderson that won the game for you guys, nothing else. I can't speak for other fans, but personally i want to see the officiating consistent. Either call it or let it go. The penalty on Hansny that led to the 5-3 and the Sens tying it happened on both sides about 25 times that game.

Fact remains that if the officiating stays the same, it favors the Sens.
- cap1681

How is this a fact? Ottawa's powerplay has been abysmal and PITT has received the exact same amount of powerplays, and scored more PP goals. (Despite the fact that PITT employs Malkin, who commits an average of 47 decent infractions on every shift when he doesn't have the puck). You sir, are fake news

Pens have 5 PPGs to the Sens 1 PPG
- j.boyd919

That's why I said other than the one game where pens went 3 for 3 it's been pretty even

I mean, I think it goes without saying that it is beneficial for us for there to be fewer penalties called. And I think everyone can accept that, this being the playoffs, it is conventional for few penalties to be called.

That is not 'unfair' reffing, though. It would be more unfair to call a whole bunch of penalties, perceiving that one (more talented on the PP) team would have a better chance to win as a result.

One could say the league 'favours' the senators, or one can more reasonably say that the Senators are relatively advantaged by the way the refs traditionally call these games.

If the claim is "the Penguins would be more likely to win these games if they were played in the regular season", I would have to agree.

If the claim is that "the reffing is unfair for Pittsburgh" then I'd have to respectfully disagree, because the refs are only doing what they always do: sucking, and because it's the playoffs, calling relatively few penalties.
- Mr_Clean

I'm down with that. To put it simply: The officiating is generally horrible, and horrible officiating is an equalizer that tends to benefit the team with lesser talent, which in this case is the Sens.

Kudos to the Sens for taking it this far, by the way. I predicted Pens in 6, so they made me wrong last night. Hopefully I'll only be late by one game, lol.

I just hate this refereeing cleansie. It is ruining these games.
- Aetherial

It's franking awful. Possibly my least favourite thing is the 'game management' approach employed in the playoffs. The reason Ottawa got that PP at that particular time (to go 5 on 4) was not because it was the first clear infraction the Penguins committed, but because Ottawa had already been penalized twice. Yeah, Ottawa could have been penalized again too, but all things seem to have to shake out 'equal'. Where there have been disparities in penalty calls, it's been for only the most blatant calls - puck over the glass, too many men on the ice, etc. Everything else HAS to even out.

Which is why I get sick when Ottawa has had (and blown) a couple PPs early in the game, and I'm sure why Penguins fans get leery when the tables were turned yesterday. You just KNOW the penalty is coming the other way, at some random time, in some random way. It may be a clear infraction, but chances are it's going to be some infraction that wasn't called at all the whole damn game.

And also, the fact that they are penalizing interference but not head shots (a la Wingels) or cross-check/boardings from behind (a la the hits on Ryan and Karlsson), or charging (a la Ryan) is pissing me off. There is a lot of dirty play in the series that didn't have to happen if the refs just laid down the law at some point.

Again, not unfair. Just poopty.

It's franking awful. Possibly my least favourite thing is the 'game management' approach employed in the playoffs. The reason Ottawa got that PP at that particular time (to go 5 on 4) was not because it was the first clear infraction the Penguins committed, but because Ottawa had already been penalized twice. Yeah, Ottawa could have been penalized again too, but all things seem to have to shake out 'equal'. Where there have been disparities in penalty calls, it's been for only the most blatant calls - puck over the glass, too many men on the ice, etc. Everything else HAS to even out.

Which is why I get sick when Ottawa has had (and blown) a couple PPs early in the game, and I'm sure why Penguins fans get leery when the tables were turned yesterday. You just KNOW the penalty is coming the other way, at some random time, in some random way. It may be a clear infraction, but chances are it's going to be some infraction that wasn't called at all the whole damn game.

And also, the fact that they are penalizing interference but not head shots (a la Wingels) or cross-check/boardings from behind (a la the hits on Ryan and Karlsson), or charging (a la Ryan) is pissing me off. There is a lot of dirty play in the series that didn't have to happen if the refs just laid down the law at some point.

Again, not unfair. Just poopty.
- Mr_Clean

They have come right out and admitted that they didn't want to decide games. By always making sure everything is equal and gradually tolerating more and more bullpoop as the game goes on they ARE deciding games.

They just want it so that no one can complain. Instead, EVERYONE can complain because the game is garbage right now.

People hate the Pens because there were the very original team that went all in on the tank.

Then they won a lottery for a 1st pick.

Then they spent years pretending that their team's success was "genius" and that they were smarter than other teams fans.

Chicago fans... exactly the same thing. There is nothing more stupid than believing your sports IQ goes up because the team in your city won something.
- Aetherial

I think what people tend to forget.. is that the Penguins didn't tank the season before Sid was selected.. because there was no season. The 04-05 season was cancelled.. and Sid wasn't drafted until 05... So yes, they got lucky and won the lottery... but they didn't even have an opportunity to actually tank for Sid.

EDIT: had 06, but Sid was drafted the summer of 05.

Erm, they didn't 'get lucky'. They were given the lottery so Mario would buy the bankrupt team and start the rebuild with Sid. That is why I (and millions of hockey fans) hate the Pens.

Go Sens Go!

So yes, they got lucky and won the lottery... but they didn't even have an opportunity to actually tank for Sid.
- j.boyd919

They have come right out and admitted that they didn't want to decide games. By always making sure everything is equal and gradually tolerating more and more bullpoop as the game goes on they ARE deciding games.

They just want it so that no one can complain. Instead, EVERYONE can complain because the game is garbage right now.
- Aetherial

Exactly

Erm, they didn't 'get lucky'. They were given the lottery so Mario would buy the bankrupt team and start the rebuild with Sid. That is why I (and millions of hockey fans) hate the Pens.

Go Sens Go!
- sgoodwin

You're a donkey.

Penalties Pit Ott
Game 1 - 2 6
Game 2 - 6 6
Game 3 - 7 5 PPG - Crosby
Game 4 - 4 2 PPG - Crosby (Pit 2x too many men)
Game 5 - 5 4 PPG - Crosby, Kessel, Daley
Game 6 - 5 5 PPG - Ryan (Ott 1x too many men)
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29 28

The penalty totals in 6 games is Pittsburgh 29 (2 too many men), Ottawa 28 (1 too many men). Take out the too many men penalties and it's 27 a piece.

PPGs - Pittsburgh 5, Ottawa 1

Show me the bias reffing based on these numbers.
- legs37

You did a nice job gathering starts. And you are correct that the number of penalties called is almost matching.

The flaw in the logic is that this answer to the BIAS is not in the numbers called, but the number of blatant and UNCALLED penalties.

I am not saying that they haven't missed them for both teams, but show me that stat. The number of penalties NOT called, there's your bias.

It's game day female doges.

Obviously I want the boys to win, but win or lose this has been a huge step for this team. Next year they're going to be younger and better.

Go sens go

You did a nice job gathering starts. And you are correct that the number of penalties called is almost matching.

The flaw in the logic is that this answer to the BIAS is not in the numbers called, but the number of blatant and UNCALLED penalties.

I am not saying that they haven't missed them for both teams, but show me that stat. The number of penalties NOT called, there's your bias.
- Doogs

There is no bias........there is also no such thing as a "missed call" stat, but if there were I'm sure they'd be pretty much dead even

There is no bias........there is also no such thing as a "missed call" stat, but if there were I'm sure they'd be pretty much dead even
- sensarmy_11

I get that there is no missed called stat, it was an eplaination of meaning.

I respectfully disagree. That missed or ignored calls would be even.

That said, the officiating has been horrid for all teams in the playoffs specifically and ALL TEAMS should DEMAND better.

I get that there is no missed called stat, it was an eplaination of meaning.

I respectfully disagree. That missed or ignored calls would be even.

That said, the officiating has been horrid for all teams in the playoffs specifically and ALL TEAMS should DEMAND better.
- Doogs

That's because YOU'RE biased. The pens have gotten away with so much poop this series That you can't see through your gold colored glasses (last game Malkin alone could have had about 8-10 minor penalties). Pretty much every single impartial observer has said that the missed calls have been numerous and pretty much equal across the board.

It's game day female doges.

Obviously I want the boys to win, but win or lose this has been a huge step for this team. Next year they're going to be younger and better.

Go sens go
- sensarmy_11

I'm so excited...... I'm doing my Carlson dance


I wish I knew how to work these stupid computer thingies better..... I'd put a video of it on here....

I'm so excited...... I'm doing my Carlson dance


I wish I knew how to work these stupid computer thingies better..... I'd put a video of it on here....
- GadesnSens

Come on man......nobody wants to see that.

Come on man......nobody wants to see that.


- sensarmy_11

not of me .... of Carlson

I got no rhythm

That's because YOU'RE biased. The pens have gotten away with so much poop this series That you can't see through your gold colored glasses (last game Malkin alone could have had about 8-10 minor penalties). Pretty much every single impartial observer has said that the missed calls have been numerous and pretty much equal across the board.
- sensarmy_11

See, I politely disagree and you call me names. Sad state.