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As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

May 24 @ 9:19 AM ET
Well dunno if it would be a big mistake....but I'd like to see another season of Nylander first.
Try and find Dmen by other means for now.

- Fakepartofme


Agreed. Absolutely no reason to trade a guy like Nylander when we have guys like JVR, Bozak, picks and some decent prospects upgrade the D... Which shouldn't be difficult at all considering what the Leafs iced last season.

This year was a huge surprise to everyone, Lou/Shanny/Babs included. The upcoming season should be very interesting to see if last season was a true indication of where is team is headed or if the group overachieved. My gut says the former, but another year of development and assessment is needed before we pull the trigger on any massive trade for a talent like Nylander... And even then I'm not sure about trading Nylander given his ridiculous potential.

The ONLY reason or time to even consider trading an asset like Nylander is either:
A. The management group truly feels that the rebuild is done and that this could be the trade to place the team in a position to win... No there yet

or

B. There's an opportunity to absolutely fleece another team/GM... Rare, but it happens
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

May 24 @ 9:20 AM ET
Well dunno if it would be a big mistake....but I'd like to see another season of Nylander first.
Try and find Dmen by other means for now.

- Fakepartofme


I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that trading an immense but still developing talent like Nylander violates virtually every tenet of the philosophy upon which the Shanaplan stands.

The Leafs need D, but overpaying for someone else's defensemen isnt the way to fill that need.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

May 24 @ 9:21 AM ET
Just stop.

Max is that you?

- .HOHO.

TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

May 24 @ 9:23 AM ET
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that trading an immense but still developing talent like Nylander violates virtually every tenet of the philosophy upon which the Shanaplan stands.

The Leafs need D, but overpaying for someone else's defensemen isnt the way to fill that need.

- Doc_Sarcasm


The Leafs can try to fill out their d corps with mid level d-men ahead of the expansion draft and in free agency and make significant improvements over what it was last season.

That coupled with the possibility that the Leafs are going to improve on offense means the club could improve as a whole next year without selling the farm.

As much as I love keeping pucks out of our net, wins come from outscoring the opponent.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

May 24 @ 9:25 AM ET
The Leafs can try to fill out their d corps with mid level d-men ahead of the expansion draft and in free agency and make significant improvements over what it was last season.

That coupled with the possibility that the Leafs are going to improve on offense means the club could improve next year without selling the farm.

As much as I love keeping pucks out of our net, wins come from outscoring the opponent.

- TheMussel



If the Leafs develop the most lethal forward corps in the League (they might), and they have a goalie (they do, I think) who can make the stops that are absolutely vital, then they don't need a great D corp, because as you pointed out, to win you merely need to outscore your opponent.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

May 24 @ 9:26 AM ET
If the Leafs develop the most lethal forward corps in the League (they might), and they have a goalie (they do, I think) who can make the stops that are absolutely vital, then they don't need a great D corp, because as you pointed out, to win you merely need to outscore your opponent.
- Doc_Sarcasm


I think you hit the nail on the head.

For me the biggest question mark next season is Andersen.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 24 @ 9:26 AM ET


I'm doing my best impression.


I said many months ago that I wouldn't trade Nylander for anything at this point of the rebuild and I stick to my guns unless the return is bonkers.

- TheMussel

Anything?
Karlsson?
McD?
Seth Jones?

Oh I see, you said bonkers...ok carry on.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

May 24 @ 9:28 AM ET
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that trading an immense but still developing talent like Nylander violates virtually every tenet of the philosophy upon which the Shanaplan stands.

The Leafs need D, but overpaying for someone else's defensemen isnt the way to fill that need.

- Doc_Sarcasm

Agreed.
Please be a Leafs fans.

Draft the poop out of really good D and C this year.

Guys like Maatta, Carlo, Trouba only needed one more year I believe
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 24 @ 9:29 AM ET
If the Leafs develop the most lethal forward corps in the League (they might), and they have a goalie (they do, I think) who can make the stops that are absolutely vital, then they don't need a great D corp, because as you pointed out, to win you merely need to outscore your opponent.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Well.
You still need a quality d corps to win the cup.
Who was the last team to win a cup without a quality corps?
The Hurricanes?
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 24 @ 9:30 AM ET
Leafs trade Bozak and 17th for Panthers 10th
Draft Nick Suzuki


lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

May 24 @ 9:31 AM ET
Are you going to be staying in Edmonton for a while?
- bixll


For the summer at least. Mrs Lums moves to a new job in Oakville at the end of June, so I'll likely follow once my contract is done.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

May 24 @ 9:31 AM ET
Well.
You still need a quality d corps to win the cup.
Who was the last team to win a cup without a quality corps?
The Hurricanes?

- Fakepartofme


One could argue that the Pens last year
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

May 24 @ 9:32 AM ET
Anything?
Karlsson?
McD?
Seth Jones?

Oh I see, you said bonkers...ok carry on.

- Fakepartofme


William Karlsson?
Ryan McDonagh?

Really?
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

May 24 @ 9:33 AM ET
Well.
You still need a quality d corps to win the cup.
Who was the last team to win a cup without a quality corps?
The Hurricanes?

- Fakepartofme


Pittsburgh, last season?
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

May 24 @ 9:33 AM ET
Well.
You still need a quality d corps to win the cup.
Who was the last team to win a cup without a quality corps?
The Hurricanes?

- Fakepartofme

Pittsburgh (Minus Letang I suppose)
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 24 @ 9:33 AM ET
For the summer at least. Mrs Lums moves to a new job in Oakville at the end of June, so I'll likely follow once my contract is done.
- lumlums

Hmmm...now we know where Lucas has been. Preparing his love boat and big d.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

May 24 @ 9:34 AM ET
Leafs trade Bozak and 17th for Panthers 10th
Draft Nick Suzuki



- AdamFrench

Nice. Be the first team to conquer the Asian market
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

May 24 @ 9:35 AM ET
Nice. Be the first team to conquer the Asian market
- walshyleafsfan


You forget Paul Korea
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

May 24 @ 9:35 AM ET
Pittsburgh, last season?
- PatC80



LOL.. how about Pittsburgh THIS season. I still think (and it pains me to type this (OWwww owwww OOWWWWW!) the Pens are going to win the Cup.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

May 24 @ 9:36 AM ET
You forget Paul Korea
- TheMussel




(frank). Good point
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 24 @ 9:37 AM ET
You forget Paul Korea
- TheMussel

The venerable Richard Park. The alcoholic Devin Setoguchi.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

May 24 @ 9:37 AM ET
Hmmm...now we know where Lucas has been. Preparing his love boat and big d.
- AdamFrench


I daresay that big D has enough on his plate with one lady and two little'uns
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 24 @ 9:38 AM ET
LOL.. how about Pittsburgh THIS season. I still think (and it pains me to type this (OWwww owwww OOWWWWW!) the Pens are going to win the Cup.
- Doc_Sarcasm

If they did that would be more impressive than last years win.

90% of their roster seems injured
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

May 24 @ 9:38 AM ET
LOL.. how about Pittsburgh THIS season. I still think (and it pains me to type this (OWwww owwww OOWWWWW!) the Pens are going to win the Cup.
- Doc_Sarcasm



Sadly, I think it will be more painful for us Leaf fans.
I am starting to think that it will be the Sens vs Predators in the final..

As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

May 24 @ 9:38 AM ET
Leafs should target Del Zotto as a UFA D this summer.

Then trade JVR (+) to Anaheim for either Manson, Vatanen Montour or Theodore. Add additional assets if needed and/or eat a poopty contract depending on the player/package.

Dumba, Ellis or Ekholm are other D I'd love to target.

Adding two of the D above to Rielly, Z, and Gardiner would be huge... And I think it's possible.
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