Him doing "bad" is on him. Until next elections people can't do nothing about it. People can root for him to do "bad" on things like immigration or healthcare based on his stated goals. If you believe in for example treating mental health and substance abuse then rooted for trump to do bad is good for your beliefs but not bad for America. No one roots for the county to decline... that's asinine. They root for their beliefs.
- ChrisMS

But you can support him to change to fit what you think is good. Again I'm nit picking but I'm just sick of the us vs them team mentality of politics. It has gotten so bad people are becoming violent. So maybe if we look at it how I'm saying we can avoid more violence. Not that I know if it will or not. Just thinking out loud really.

Without mentioning anyone in particular,

If I believe an individual to corrupt or on the road to destroying the country (via his agenda or his actions), then yes, taking away support and getting him out of office is the best thing possible. Giving such an individual false support, through polls, etc, or hoping for him to suddenly develop "a moral conscience" won't help after waiting x years
- DeflatedPucks

Corruption in government has been for many many years & is happening here at both state & national levels. It's difficult for a nation to progress effectively when the decision makers are making decisions benifitting themselves best. Short sighted decisions keeping individuals in positions of power do not benefit the country long term, which is how my governments on both levels operate now & have been operating for 20 years. Heads of government that are willing to make hard decisions that may lose them votes but will greatly benifit the prosperity of the nation & its people are the people you need to keep. They are trying to provide a future for our children & grand children.

Do you have any politicians trying to do that?

Well this thread went down hill faster than a Tanner thread

Well this thread went down hill faster than a Tanner thread
- Mordecai

Right? (frank) da police. Straight outta Compton.

I don't think the Penguins played a different game in the playoffs last hear than they did in the regular season. This year they kind of did but I think that was more because of the personnel available and not because it's "playoff hockey." Hockey is still hockey regardless of when it how it's played. Refs are out of their control so that's why you always hear teams sag play "penguins hockey." And other poop like that. I don't really see a change in the game when it goes to the playoffs.
- j.boyd919

I believe the refs do call the game differently and that results often in more injuries and different styles of play. Your right in that the game can only change so much but it does change. Playing the same team over and over effects things as well. Sheary rowney rust kessel maf most of the pens d seem to support that. I just don't see anallicktits as valuable in the playoffs as they differ from the regular season. And in stats changing the base you are using to collect the data even slightly can really f with your numbers and conclusions

Corruption in government has been for many many years & is happening here at both state & national levels. It's difficult for a nation to progress effectively when the decision makers are making decisions benifitting themselves best. Short sighted decisions keeping individuals in positions of power do not benefit the country long term, which is how my governments on both levels operate now & have been operating for 20 years. Heads of government that are willing to make hard decisions that may lose them votes but will greatly benifit the prosperity of the nation & its people are the people you need to keep. They are trying to provide a future for our children & grand children.

Do you have any politicians trying to do that?
- Aussiepenguin

I'm trying my best not to get involved in a political discussion on HB, but I find it extremely ludicrous that people keeping bringing up how Hillary would have been much worse. (It seems like people are saying this to justify why Trump is so contentious). If someone is so good, why are we bringing up the runners-up?

I'm trying my best not to get i
nvolved in a political discussion on HB, but I find it extremely ludicrous that people keeping bringing up how Hillary would have been much worse. (It seems like people are saying this to justify why Trump is so contentious). If someone is so good, why are we bringing up the runners-up?
- DeflatedPucks

Racist

I'm trying my best not to get involved in a political discussion on HB, but I find it extremely ludicrous that people keeping bringing up how Hillary would have been much worse. (It seems like people are saying this to justify why Trump is so contentious). If someone is so good, why are we bringing up the runners-up?
- DeflatedPucks

Could we call Lundqvist a runner up even though he won a Gold medal? It is Stanley that he will be judged on after all.........

I believe the refs do call the game differently and that results often in more injuries and different styles of play. Your right in that the game can only change so much but it does change. Playing the same team over and over effects things as well. Sheary rowney rust kessel maf most of the pens d seem to support that. I just don't see anallicktits as valuable in the playoffs as they differ from the regular season. And in stats changing the base you are using to collect the data even slightly can really f with your numbers and conclusions
- ChrisMS

I definitely agree with some of this, especially the 7 game series. To me, the biggest thing that changes is that you are now only playing the top teams, the best of the best. So night in and night out, you also have to be at your best. The margin for error is so much smaller given the talent you are facing, and the stakes are so much higher -- win and advance to the next round. But I still don't see a change in how teams approach the games. Teams develop and try to perfect their system for 82 games so they have a solid foundation to carry into the playoffs, they don't get there and all of a sudden abandon their system. (Ottawa and the 1-3-1 for example.) There might be minor changes (such as what Sully did last year vs. Tampa, as opposed to how they played Washington.) But the system was largely the same. Which, in my opinion, is why analytics based on the regular season can be valuable. Because thats the way the team has played over 82 games.

No coach, analytics guy, or fan relies ONLY on analytics, and that is such a bad misconception. Ask any of the guys on twitter, most of them play hockey, and watch A LOT of hockey. There's still value in them, but if you ONLY value them, then yeah it'll lead you down a bad path. But by using them along with your eyes, it helps paint a clearer picture of the game.

I definitely agree with some of this, especially the 7 game series. To me, the biggest thing that changes is that you are now only playing the top teams, the best of the best. So night in and night out, you also have to be at your best. The margin for error is so much smaller given the talent you are facing, and the stakes are so much higher -- win and advance to the next round. But I still don't see a change in how teams approach the games. Teams develop and try to perfect their system for 82 games so they have a solid foundation to carry into the playoffs, they don't get there and all of a sudden abandon their system. (Ottawa and the 1-3-1 for example.) There might be minor changes (such as what Sully did last year vs. Tampa, as opposed to how they played Washington.) But the system was largely the same. Which, in my opinion, is why analytics based on the regular season can be valuable. Because thats the way the team has played over 82 games.

No coach, analytics guy, or fan relies ONLY on analytics, and that is such a bad misconception. Ask any of the guys on twitter, most of them play hockey, and watch A LOT of hockey. There's still value in them, but if you ONLY value them, then yeah it'll lead you down a bad path. But by using them along with your eyes, it helps paint a clearer picture of the game.
- j.boyd919

AKA James Tanner!!! If its not supported in advanced stats then its "lucky".

I definitely agree with some of this, especially the 7 game series. To me, the biggest thing that changes is that you are now only playing the top teams, the best of the best. So night in and night out, you also have to be at your best. The margin for error is so much smaller given the talent you are facing, and the stakes are so much higher -- win and advance to the next round. But I still don't see a change in how teams approach the games. Teams develop and try to perfect their system for 82 games so they have a solid foundation to carry into the playoffs, they don't get there and all of a sudden abandon their system. (Ottawa and the 1-3-1 for example.) There might be minor changes (such as what Sully did last year vs. Tampa, as opposed to how they played Washington.) But the system was largely the same. Which, in my opinion, is why analytics based on the regular season can be valuable. Because thats the way the team has played over 82 games.

No coach, analytics guy, or fan relies ONLY on analytics, and that is such a bad misconception. Ask any of the guys on twitter, most of them play hockey, and watch A LOT of hockey. There's still value in them, but if you ONLY value them, then yeah it'll lead you down a bad path. But by using them along with your eyes, it helps paint a clearer picture of the game.
- j.boyd919

In our bloggers zeal for promoting analytics I disagree with the last paragraph above. Some do try to rely only on analytics. At least in their writing

AKA James Tanner!!! If its not supported in advanced stats then its "lucky".
- Brianandr1

Dude, Tanner watched every game of the Pens/Caps series. I agree with Tanner, the Pens were lucky as (frank). They were not the better team in 6 of the 7 games, I couldn't even believe that they were up 3-1 at one point. But in game 7, it was pretty even.

In our bloggers zeal for promoting analytics I disagree with the last paragraph above. Some do try to rely only on analytics. At least in their writing
- ChrisMS

In the blogging world, if you are going to put out daily content, it almost has to be analytics driven, because those numbers are updated daily and are the easiest to pull data from and base an opinion OR it's going to be those stupid homer puff pieces like Rob Rossi and Josh Yohe write, you don't actually learn jack poop from those articles. Sure, they could give some insight into the team, but they also have access to that team. RW does not, so he has to work with what he's got.

Throughout the season, some of RWs blogs have touched on how to fix the PP, ways to adjust the breakout, etc. But blogs like that take a lot of time to develop. Look at Jesse Marshall from the PensBlog. Dude breaks poop down like once a playoff round. It takes a lot of time to go through game tape, pull the tape, make gifs, and all of that poop. I am 100% positive if RW wanted to focus more on X's and O's that he could, but I don't think we would be getting daily blogs from him if that was his focus. Luckily, we have guys like Jesse, and then there are other guys on twitter and Pensburgh, and stuff like that that DO focus on other aspects of the game.

My question is, what kind of content do you want from him, and how do you think he could improve his writing? Because I think he does a pretty god damn good job of giving a very unbiased view, while churning out blogs almost daily. Some teams on this site get like 1 blog a week.

Hahaha did you guys really have an NBC vs. Fox argument while I was gone? Both are garbage media that are no more than than partisan tools. You want news, go to BBC, The Economist, or the New Yorker. American 24 hour news networks are garbage.

Dude, Tanner watched every game of the Pens/Caps series. I agree with Tanner, the Pens were lucky as (frank). They were not the better team in 6 of the 7 games, I couldn't even believe that they were up 3-1 at one point. But in game 7, it was pretty even.
- j.boyd919

Yes, according to advanced stats the Caps were the better team and they dominated the play. That being said Most of the 17 goals the Pens scored in the 4 wins vs. Washington were skill plays. Yes, Fleury was ridiculous, but the Pens took advantage of their chances the caps did not. That's not luck!!! Its making big plays in big spots, something a great team and Stanley cup champion does as opposed to a very good regular season team that admittedly buckled under the pressure!!!! Pens were better because they rose to the occasion, the Caps did not!

Yes, according to advanced stats the Caps were the better team and they dominated the play. That being said Most of the 17 goals the Pens scored in the 4 wins vs. Washington were skill plays. Yes, Fleury was ridiculous, but the Pens took advantage of their chances the caps did not. That's not luck!!! Its making big plays in big spots, something a great team and Stanley cup champion does as opposed to a very good regular season team that admittedly buckled under the pressure!!!! Pens were better because they rose to the occasion, the Caps did not!
- Brianandr1

k, bye.

In the blogging world, if you are going to put out daily content, it almost has to be analytics driven, because those numbers are updated daily and are the easiest to pull data from and base an opinion OR it's going to be those stupid homer puff pieces like Rob Rossi and Josh Yohe write, you don't actually learn jack poop from those articles. Sure, they could give some insight into the team, but they also have access to that team. RW does not, so he has to work with what he's got.

Throughout the season, some of RWs blogs have touched on how to fix the PP, ways to adjust the breakout, etc. But blogs like that take a lot of time to develop. Look at Jesse Marshall from the PensBlog. Dude breaks poop down like once a playoff round. It takes a lot of time to go through game tape, pull the tape, make gifs, and all of that poop. I am 100% positive if RW wanted to focus more on X's and O's that he could, but I don't think we would be getting daily blogs from him if that was his focus. Luckily, we have guys like Jesse, and then there are other guys on twitter and Pensburgh, and stuff like that that DO focus on other aspects of the game.

My question is, what kind of content do you want from him, and how do you think he could improve his writing? Because I think he does a pretty god damn good job of giving a very unbiased view, while churning out blogs almost daily. Some teams on this site get like 1 blog a week.
- j.boyd919

Mr Wilson puts out content daily and I respect that. He has done an admirable job of addressing analytics even if he hijacked the pens slot to do it. Its absolutely untrue that you can't put out content with out relying essentially solely on analytics as nearly ever other blogger on this site does it. The former blogger did it. You say unbiased blog like that's a good thing. I want the pens blog to be written by a pens fan and how's bout one living in the burgh to get a real flavor of local opinions. (I also know I'm in the minority on THIS site who likes rossis style). You have to be blind if you think this blog is about pens first and the passion for analytics second.

And in fairness... mr Wilson when he was more personally involved in the dialogue posted to me the link to write my own blog. One of the most fair responses to my opinions possible. But it doesn't make me wrong

In the blogging world, if you are going to put out daily content, it almost has to be analytics driven, because those numbers are updated daily and are the easiest to pull data from and base an opinion OR it's going to be those stupid homer puff pieces like Rob Rossi and Josh Yohe write, you don't actually learn jack poop from those articles. Sure, they could give some insight into the team, but they also have access to that team. RW does not, so he has to work with what he's got.

Throughout the season, some of RWs blogs have touched on how to fix the PP, ways to adjust the breakout, etc. But blogs like that take a lot of time to develop. Look at Jesse Marshall from the PensBlog. Dude breaks poop down like once a playoff round. It takes a lot of time to go through game tape, pull the tape, make gifs, and all of that poop. I am 100% positive if RW wanted to focus more on X's and O's that he could, but I don't think we would be getting daily blogs from him if that was his focus. Luckily, we have guys like Jesse, and then there are other guys on twitter and Pensburgh, and stuff like that that DO focus on other aspects of the game.

My question is, what kind of content do you want from him, and how do you think he could improve his writing? Because I think he does a pretty god damn good job of giving a very unbiased view, while churning out blogs almost daily. Some teams on this site get like 1 blog a week.
- j.boyd919

Mr Wilson puts out content daily and I respect that. He has done an admirable job of addressing analytics even if he hijacked the pens slot to do it. Its absolutely untrue that you can't put out content with out relying essentially solely on analytics as nearly ever other blogger on this site does it. The former blogger did it. You say unbiased blog like that's a good thing. I want the pens blog to be written by a pens fan and how's bout one living in the burgh to get a real flavor of local opinions. (I also know I'm in the minority on THIS site who likes rossis style). You have to be blind if you think this blog is about pens first and the passion for analytics second.

And in fairness... mr Wilson when he was more personally involved in the dialogue posted to me the link to write my own blog. One of the most fair responses to my opinions possible. But it doesn't make me wrong

Mr Wilson puts out content daily and I respect that. He has done an admirable job of addressing analytics even if he hijacked the pens slot to do it. Its absolutely untrue that you can't put out content with out relying essentially solely on analytics as nearly ever other blogger on this site does it. The former blogger did it. You say unbiased blog like that's a good thing. I want the pens blog to be written by a pens fan and how's bout one living in the burgh to get a real flavor of local opinions. (I also know I'm in the minority on THIS site who likes rossis style). You have to be blind if you think this blog is about pens first and the passion for analytics second.

And in fairness... mr Wilson when he was more personally involved in the dialogue posted to me the link to write my own blog. One of the most fair responses to my opinions possible. But it doesn't make me wrong
- ChrisMS

What kind of blog did the other guy before RW run? What were some of his blogs like? Yeah see... There's no need for a biased pens blog written by yinzers. There are plenty of sites for that already. I would much rather read an objective blog based on my team than some terrible homer bullpoop like DK or Rossi. The only thing I see any of those blogs worth anything for are quotes and with social media nowadays I don't need to pay for bad subscription sites to read quotes. Thankfully. Pens blog, pensburgh, dk, Rossi, trib, post Gazette... there is plenty of Pittsburgh flavor and homerism in any of those. No need for it here. If rather learn more about stuff i was unfamiliar with when I found hockeybuzz. And I personally believe this blog is about hockey. I don't see the need to separate pens and analytics because they are one in the same. Analytics about the Penguins. And more.

Yes, according to advanced stats the Caps were the better team and they dominated the play. That being said Most of the 17 goals the Pens scored in the 4 wins vs. Washington were skill plays. Yes, Fleury was ridiculous, but the Pens took advantage of their chances the caps did not. That's not luck!!! Its making big plays in big spots, something a great team and Stanley cup champion does as opposed to a very good regular season team that admittedly buckled under the pressure!!!! Pens were better because they rose to the occasion, the Caps did not!
- Brianandr1

It was mostly Holtby sucking that won us the series. If he played at a high level we are not in this round right now.

k, bye.
- j.boyd919

So in another words, I don't really have an answer to the above points because I partially share James Tanner's faith in advanced stats?

So in another words, I don't really have an answer to the above points because I partially share James Tanner's faith in advanced stats?
- Brianandr1

Its not even advanced stats, I watched every game of that series. And the Penguins were only better in one game, in my opinion, and even then, they weren't THAT much better in game 7, it was pretty even. Pretty much 99% of the world. Eye test, and advanced stats, and traditional stats. Pens got super lucky to get out of that series alive.

Your homer goggles are quite foggy, might need to snag some windex for those.

What kind of blog did the other guy before RW run? What were some of his blogs like? Yeah see... There's no need for a biased pens blog written by yinzers. There are plenty of sites for that already. I would much rather read an objective blog based on my team than some terrible homer bullpoop like DK or Rossi. The only thing I see any of those blogs worth anything for are quotes and with social media nowadays I don't need to pay for bad subscription sites to read quotes. Thankfully. Pens blog, pensburgh, dk, Rossi, trib, post Gazette... there is plenty of Pittsburgh flavor and homerism in any of those. No need for it here. If rather learn more about stuff i was unfamiliar with when I found hockeybuzz. And I personally believe this blog is about hockey. I don't see the need to separate pens and analytics because they are one in the same. Analytics about the Penguins. And more.
- j.boyd919

We gonna disagree then. So much analytics stuff on sites these days you can't escape it for more traditional opinion driven blogs. I don't need to feel a site or article is objective to feel I'm more knowledgeable as a fan or more passionate as a fan or more educated as a fan. Unfortunately as it is with most stats is the numbers don't lie but those presenting the numbers can "objectively " prove their point by picking the stats that support their opinion. Ryan has got some strong support over the years, much of it deserved, but he has attracted an audience that values his opinions presented as objectivity and chased away others that don't. makes those that disagree tend to go elsewhere. Kinda like conservatives watching fox and progressives watching NBC... people want to hear what reinforces their beliefs

Its not even advanced stats, I watched every game of that series. And the Penguins were only better in one game, in my opinion, and even then, they weren't THAT much better in game 7, it was pretty even. Pretty much 99% of the world. Eye test, and advanced stats, and traditional stats. Pens got super lucky to get out of that series alive.

Your homer goggles are quite foggy, might need to snag some windex for those.
- j.boyd919

I admitted almost everything you said up until the end. What I said was the Pens put up big goals in big spots more then the Caps did. Yes, Fleury was great, but so were most of the goals the pens scored. How is a goalie playing great and high end skill goals luck? The Pens won game : 6 2, but the shots and analytics say the Caps were the better team, shows the clear limitations of these tools...

We gonna disagree then. So much analytics stuff on sites these days you can't escape it for more traditional opinion driven blogs. I don't need to feel a site or article is objective to feel I'm more knowledgeable as a fan or more passionate as a fan or more educated as a fan. Unfortunately as it is with most stats is the numbers don't lie but those presenting the numbers can "objectively " prove their point by picking the stats that support their opinion. Ryan has got some strong support over the years, much of it deserved, but he has attracted an audience that values his opinions presented as objectivity and chased away others that don't. makes those that disagree tend to go elsewhere. Kinda like conservatives watching fox and progressives watching NBC... people want to hear what reinforces their beliefs
- ChrisMS

lol what? I just listed 5 different websites that employ multiple writers that give traditional opinion driven blogs. I honestly don't know many Pens blogs that use analytics like RW does. Jesse Marshall does, but not all the time. He actually does an awesome job breaking down systems and x's and o's with video. I always look forward to his stuff when he teases it on twitter.