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Emperor Filonius
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Drinking the tears of the defeated from Lord Stanley's chalice.
Joined: 01.18.2007

May 22 @ 5:20 PM ET
What exactly has Trump done in 100 days? It's an honest question, because I don't vote and I don't give a poop about politics. But you say he has done so much.. what exactly has he done?
- j.boyd919


Stop encouraging him. I care even less about his politics than I do about his hockey opinions.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

May 22 @ 5:22 PM ET
Great example of how analytics tell a large part of the story but not the whole story. It's foolish at this point to ignore them, but sometimes you have to dig a little deeper into why those numbers are what they are to base your decision. None of Rowney's assists were really any different then what he had been doing, his teammates were just able to convert those hard work plays into goals yesterday that were just scoring chances in other games.
- Tojo.


But he also has 1 game with points out of his last 12 games. If he continues to produce points, then I can understand the argument, but if he doesn't (that is, if the Penguins advance.) then... to me, using his larger sample size (as RW did in his previous article) vs. Sheary's larger sample size (the regular season), I can completely understand why some/most would prefer Sheary (if he is healthy/not playing injured) over Rowney.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

May 22 @ 5:23 PM ET
Stop encouraging him. I care even less about his politics than I do about his hockey opinions.
- Emperor Filonius


lol that was an honest question, because I don't get tied up in politics.
nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

May 22 @ 5:47 PM ET
lol that was an honest question, because I don't get tied up in politics.
- j.boyd919

Well you're a noble person calling someone an idiot about something you're not tied up in.... make a choice and either say your opinion about the subject or just keep your mouth shut
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

May 22 @ 5:50 PM ET
But he also has 1 game with points out of his last 12 games. If he continues to produce points, then I can understand the argument, but if he doesn't (that is, if the Penguins advance.) then... to me, using his larger sample size (as RW did in his previous article) vs. Sheary's larger sample size (the regular season), I can completely understand why some/most would prefer Sheary (if he is healthy/not playing injured) over Rowney.
- j.boyd919

Larger sample size, eye test, any measurement really shows Sheary is the better hockey player. But for whatever reason his game has completely deserted him during the playoffs. From a numbers standpoint, you have to take into account that until recently Rowney was getting only 4th line time while Sheary has been top 9 and often with Crosby, which he earned, but does help his numbers.

That's whay I mean by look deeper at the numbers, although this may not be the best example because I don't believe Rowney is the superior hockey player, just that this is his first couple games in truly a top 9 role and he probably hasn't played with a guy like Rust before. He had some luck with the points, but he's doing things like winning puck battles that help lead to possession and scoring chances. In the playoffs, Sheary hasn't been doing that. Right now Ron Hainsey has more goals and points then Sheary, what does that say about his play?

Sheary's problem is at this point he's being benched for Archibald.
thickman1178
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.21.2013

May 22 @ 5:50 PM ET
NBC is complete garbage from top to bottom. Fox news actually give you news not fake news. Eddie and Milbury voted for Hillary Thank God she lost
- holeinone


The fact that you are a Trump supporter who watches Fox News is probably the least surprising thing I have learned today.
Zac_O
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.17.2015

May 22 @ 6:02 PM ET
The fact that you are a Trump supporter who watches Fox News is probably the least surprising thing I have learned today.
- thickman1178

Just philosophical question here. Do you not support him? As in do you not want him to do well? If so you want bad things to happen to America , would you agree with that? Shouldn't we all support the president since it's up to them to do good things for the country?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 22 @ 6:03 PM ET
Larger sample size, eye test, any measurement really shows Sheary is the better hockey player. But for whatever reason his game has completely deserted him during the playoffs. From a numbers standpoint, you have to take into account that until recently Rowney was getting only 4th line time while Sheary has been top 9 and often with Crosby, which he earned, but does help his numbers.

That's whay I mean by look deeper at the numbers, although this may not be the best example because I don't believe Rowney is the superior hockey player, just that this is his first couple games in truly a top 9 role and he probably hasn't played with a guy like Rust before. He had some luck with the points, but he's doing things like winning puck battles that help lead to possession and scoring chances. In the playoffs, Sheary hasn't been doing that. Right now Ron Hainsey has more goals and points then Sheary, what does that say about his play?

Sheary's problem is at this point he's being benched for Archibald.

- Tojo.


I know analytic fans don't believe in role players, but I still believe you need blue collar players. Somebody that can throw a hit, win a board battle, make the D look over their shoulders, kill penalties, etc.

Now... You have to be good at those things. There's plenty of plugs that aren't. Rowney has found a niche and I bet he gets a jersey the rest of the way.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 22 @ 6:04 PM ET
Just philosophical question here. Do you not support him? As in do you not want him to do well? If so you want bad things to happen to America , would you agree with that? Shouldn't we all support the president since it's up to them to do good things for the country?
- Zac_O



Dude... Let it go man.
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

May 22 @ 6:04 PM ET
Just philosophical question here. Do you not support him? As in do you not want him to do well? If so you want bad things to happen to America , would you agree with that? Shouldn't we all support the president since it's up to them to do good things for the country?
- Zac_O


Should we have for Nixon?
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

May 22 @ 6:06 PM ET
But he also has 1 game with points out of his last 12 games. If he continues to produce points, then I can understand the argument, but if he doesn't (that is, if the Penguins advance.) then... to me, using his larger sample size (as RW did in his previous article) vs. Sheary's larger sample size (the regular season), I can completely understand why some/most would prefer Sheary (if he is healthy/not playing injured) over Rowney.
- j.boyd919


This assumes that the playoffs are the same as the regular season. All the "experts" say they are played different and reffed different. It also has teams playing the same team 4-7 times in a row affecting strategy lines etc. not sure how effective those stats become in the playoffs...
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

May 22 @ 6:06 PM ET
Think Sully il let av ever hem primed for a big effort to close it out in Ottawa. Just thinking now the pressure is really on, what game will Ottawa have especially having some injuries of their own??

nice to see that hockey play not get looked at, it happens regularly & it is the playoffs after all. Wouldn't want to look like a bunch of soft banana eaters would we?
Zac_O
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.17.2015

May 22 @ 6:09 PM ET
Dude... Let it go man.
- madmike71

I have posted one thing asking a thinking question instead of a political question. Sorry if you don't like it. But I'm going to talk about what I wish to talk about and I think it's an interesting questions since I see this issue a lot and had to argue it when Obama was president too. A mod can suspend me if they dont like it. But they only care for certain bloggers comments sections and over protect them.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

May 22 @ 6:09 PM ET
Just philosophical question here. Do you not support him? As in do you not want him to do well? If so you want bad things to happen to America , would you agree with that? Shouldn't we all support the president since it's up to them to do good things for the country?
- Zac_O


You can support the country and not support the prez if his agenda is bad for the country... if in fact it is bad. If. Then rooting for him to do poorly is a good thing.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

May 22 @ 6:10 PM ET
I know analytic fans don't believe in role players, but I still believe you need blue collar players. Somebody that can throw a hit, win a board battle, make the D look over their shoulders, kill penalties, etc.

Now... You have to be good at those things. There's plenty of plugs that aren't. Rowney has found a niche and I bet he gets a jersey the rest of the way.

- madmike71


It's funny what 'those' people believe. Possession is talked about so much but the 1 thing that defines possession means very little to them.

#faceoffsollie
Zac_O
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.17.2015

May 22 @ 6:11 PM ET
Should we have for Nixon?
- DeflatedPucks

Did you WANT Nixon to do bad? Causing America do bad. Aka the opposite of support him. That's what I'm asking. Care to answer?
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

May 22 @ 6:11 PM ET
Hey, that's great.

Think the Penguins can wrap it up in 6?

- jmatchett383


Zac_O
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.17.2015

May 22 @ 6:12 PM ET
You can support the country and not support the prez if his agenda is bad for the country... if in fact it is bad. If. Then rooting for him to do poorly is a good thing.
- ChrisMS

But him doing bad brings down the country. So you are rooting for the country to decline. If you want the country to decline so people can learn and change I get it but admit it then.


Edit: Even if his agenda is bad you can hope he changes it to help the country which is a form of supporting him. It's nit picking the language but it has always bothered me when my dad did it for Obama and now when people do it to Trump.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

May 22 @ 6:12 PM ET
Hey Martox, the old sulphur crested cockatoo eh? Had 2 of those in an avery when I was growing up with a few galahs, loudest mother (frank)ers you'll ever have in your backyard.
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

May 22 @ 6:18 PM ET
Did you WANT Nixon to do bad? Causing America do bad. Aka the opposite of support him. That's what I'm asking. Care to answer?
- Zac_O


Without mentioning anyone in particular,

If I believe an individual to corrupt or on the road to destroying the country (via his agenda or his actions), then yes, taking away support and getting him out of office is the best thing possible. Giving such an individual false support, through polls, etc, or hoping for him to suddenly develop "a moral conscience" won't help after waiting x years

nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

May 22 @ 6:18 PM ET
Nope.

My comment idiot comment was more about him saying who 2 analysts voted for, which unless he was in the ballot box with them, he doesn't know. Soo... yeah. I'm going to continue calling him an idiot if I feel like it. You idiot.

- j.boyd919

Got a chart for that?
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

May 22 @ 6:22 PM ET
I know analytic fans don't believe in role players, but I still believe you need blue collar players. Somebody that can throw a hit, win a board battle, make the D look over their shoulders, kill penalties, etc.

Now... You have to be good at those things. There's plenty of plugs that aren't. Rowney has found a niche and I bet he gets a jersey the rest of the way.

- madmike71

I agree, especially the pk. And winning board battles is a must for possession. But I can also agree a guy like Rowney is really a 4th liner and a line of 3 guys like him won't score much. But he did add something that is helping them win.

Corsi in this series probably needs a big adjustment based on time on ice against Karlsson. And for defensemen, it certainly helps if you are playing behind Malkin and Kessel who are dominating possession. Those arr jusr factors that don't get taken into account just by looking at possession stays, but possession stats certainly help tell at least part of the story.

ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

May 22 @ 6:24 PM ET
But him doing bad brings down the country. So you are rooting for the country to decline. If you want the country to decline so people can learn and change I get it but admit it then.
- Zac_O


Him doing "bad" is on him. Until next elections people can't do nothing about it. People can root for him to do "bad" on things like immigration or healthcare based on his stated goals. If you believe in for example treating mental health and substance abuse then rooted for trump to do bad is good for your beliefs but not bad for America. No one roots for the county to decline... that's asinine. They root for their beliefs.
Zac_O
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.17.2015

May 22 @ 6:25 PM ET
Without mentioning anyone in particular,

If I believe an individual to corrupt or on the road to destroying the country (via his agenda or his actions), then yes, taking away support and getting him out of office is the best thing possible. Giving such an individual false support, through polls, etc, or hoping for him to suddenly develop "a moral conscience" won't help after waiting x years

- DeflatedPucks

You misspelled ALL POLITICIANS.


But then your form of support would be for him to stop being that and do what you believe is right. Support is a subjective term. I support him cuz he won. Most people where I live support him for his policies. That doesn't me we support him in the same way.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

May 22 @ 6:27 PM ET
This assumes that the playoffs are the same as the regular season. All the "experts" say they are played different and reffed different. It also has teams playing the same team 4-7 times in a row affecting strategy lines etc. not sure how effective those stats become in the playoffs...
- ChrisMS


I don't think the Penguins played a different game in the playoffs last hear than they did in the regular season. This year they kind of did but I think that was more because of the personnel available and not because it's "playoff hockey." Hockey is still hockey regardless of when it how it's played. Refs are out of their control so that's why you always hear teams sag play "penguins hockey." And other poop like that. I don't really see a change in the game when it goes to the playoffs.
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