So basically a good day in Newfoundland.
- laughs2907

We're supposed to be in a civilized land, not a place of drunken fish(frank)ers in the wind.

We're supposed to be in a civilized land, not a place of drunken fish(frank)ers in the wind.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Red Deer a civilized land...

one would have to assume hall and seguin = no connor later on. Still possible I guess as our defence was still in tatters, But yeah, that's two elite talents.

It's tough looking at the enormous miss yakupov was. Even the miss of a "superstar" in nuge.

But everything led to Connor and we should thank Allah because of it.


On a side note, even 2013 was a semi miss. Still believe it's possible nurse becomes a top pair guy, and love that he can carry the puck. but yeah , ristolainen> nurse


Also, there's a good chance we take Larsson instead of nuge if we already had seguin
- HB77

Even as one of his bigger detractors and someone who was on the sell train for a year and a half, I don't qualify Nurse as a miss. Getting a top-4 Dman through picks 5-10 is a win as historical success rates aren't as strong as some think. You have exceptional examples (Lindholm, Werenski) and the odd bust (Bogosian, Hickey, Reinhart). More than a "semi miss" I think it's a mistake on the part of fans for expecting too much too soon.

That having been said, it's not impossible that he still becomes a top pairing guy; just unlikely that he'd be an offensive play driver. I made the comparison last year that he likely falls somewhere between Jack Johnson and pre-eye injury Marc Staal. His improved possession game and overall greater puck confidence has me thinking he could reach an even higher range, though. Great to see after a rough rookie season.

Even as one of his bigger detractors and someone who was on the sell train for a year and a half, I don't qualify Nurse as a miss. Getting a top-4 Dman through picks 5-10 is a win as historical success rates aren't as strong as some think. You have exceptional examples (Lindholm, Werenski) and the odd bust (Bogosian, Hickey, Reinhart). More than a "semi miss" I think it's a mistake on the part of fans for expecting too much too soon.

That having been said, it's not impossible that he still becomes a top pairing guy; just unlikely that he'd be an offensive play driver. I made the comparison last year that he likely falls somewhere between Jack Johnson and pre-eye injury Marc Staal. His improved possession game and overall greater puck confidence has me thinking he could reach an even higher range, though. Great to see after a rough rookie season.
- MaximumBone

Oilers fans expecting too much period is one of the most frustrating things about this fan base.

BTW...the Suck it Jero poop isn't bothersome at all. At least you all aren't a bunch of horny kiss asses like those fruity Canucks fans and they're ' Thanks Carol! ' poop on the first 2 pages of every thread. Maybe being the classless fanbase in NHL history ( yes, even more so than Habs, Leafs and Flyers fans) they feel the need to clean up their image, but they don't fool me at all.

Oilers fans expecting too much period is one of the most frustrating things about this fan base.
- Larsson_fan

It's true of pretty much all fanbases.

What bothers me about fans most of all is how slow people are to catch on. It was only a year ago that I was still reading mongoloids suggesting trades of Yakupov for Dumba or- in one egregious example- Ryan Ellis and whole-heartedly believing that they were giving fair value.

It's true of pretty much all fanbases.

What bothers me about fans most of all is how slow people are to catch on. It was only a year ago that I was still reading mongoloids suggesting trades of Yakupov for Dumba or- in one egregious example- Ryan Ellis and whole-heartedly believing that they were giving fair value.
- MaximumBone

I wanted Ryan Ellis....but I don't believe I was offering up Yak. Nuge more than likely.

It's true of pretty much all fanbases.

What bothers me about fans most of all is how slow people are to catch on. It was only a year ago that I was still reading mongoloids suggesting trades of Yakupov for Dumba or- in one egregious example- Ryan Ellis and whole-heartedly believing that they were giving fair value.
- MaximumBone

I just think this fanbase has an never ending hunger for a scapegoat. The Eakins hate was a bit justified, just not when clowns were suggesting Ralphie Boy would have gotten us to the playoffs. The Schultz hate was just as bad, as it was the lack of depth and subsequent pressure/expectations that were the issue. Now all i hear is our 3rd leading scorer suddenly sucks poop thread after thread? Brutal.and stupid.

BTW...the Suck it Jero poop isn't bothersome at all. At least you all aren't a bunch of horny kiss asses like those fruity Canucks fans and they're ' Thanks Carol! ' poop on the first 2 pages of every thread. Maybe being the classless fanbase in NHL history ( yes, even more so than Habs, Leafs and Flyers fans) they feel the need to clean up their image, but they don't fool me at all.
- Larsson_fan

I think they're all gay and just mistakenly thought Carol was a dude.

I think they're all gay and just mistakenly thought Carol was a dude.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

That actually makes the most sense.

I just think this fanbase has an never ending hunger for a scapegoat. The Eakins hate was a bit justified, just not when clowns were suggesting Ralphie Boy would have gotten us to the playoffs. The Schultz hate was just as bad, as it was the lack of depth and subsequent pressure/expectations that were the issue. Now all i hear is our 3rd leading scorer suddenly sucks poop thread after thread? Brutal.and stupid.
- Larsson_fan

I just think this fanbase has an never ending hunger for a scapegoat. The Eakins hate was a bit justified, just not when clowns were suggesting Ralphie Boy would have gotten us to the playoffs. The Schultz hate was just as bad, as it was the lack of depth and subsequent pressure/expectations that were the issue. Now all i hear is our 3rd leading scorer suddenly sucks poop thread after thread? Brutal.and stupid.
- Larsson_fan

This is true for pretty much every fanbase though.

This is true for pretty much every fanbase though.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Fair enough but is there another fan base so far from hitting the mark with the choice of scapegoats?

I just think this fanbase has an never ending hunger for a scapegoat. The Eakins hate was a bit justified, just not when clowns were suggesting Ralphie Boy would have gotten us to the playoffs. The Schultz hate was just as bad, as it was the lack of depth and subsequent pressure/expectations that were the issue. Now all i hear is our 3rd leading scorer suddenly sucks poop thread after thread? Brutal.and stupid.
- Larsson_fan

I remember being happy to see Schultz go even if it didn't bring us any good. He needed a new team and we needed to clear out Dmen who didn't have it in them to give their best effort after years of being shat on.

Fair enough but is there another fan base so far from hitting the mark with the choice of scapegoats?
- Larsson_fan

Fanbases everywhere tend to think emotionally with a losing team, and typically will single out a higher profile player for their ire and start wanting him traded. Usually a guy that makes too much money.

I remember being happy to see Schultz go even if it didn't bring us any good. He needed a new team and we needed to clear out Dmen who didn't have it in them to give their best effort after years of being shat on.
- MaximumBone

Yeah I agree he needed a change. I didn't agree that he was the POS the majority on here made him out to be. I kinda figured he overwhelmed and burned out and not having fun. That is coaching and management fault for miscasting him.

I don't mind trading Eberle for cap reasons, but running him out of town for not scoring, when he was our 3rd best scorer( in an off year), on a team with pathetic scoring depth is just dumb.
He has another level. I hope they give him a shot on Draisaitl's wing if they make him 2C next season. Or another shot with Mc D.

Fanbases everywhere tend to think emotionally with a losing team, and typically will single out a higher profile player for their ire and start wanting him traded. Usually a guy that makes too much money.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I don't. I'm a part of this fan base. Tho not many are as reasonable as I am.

I remember being happy to see Schultz go even if it didn't bring us any good. He needed a new team and we needed to clear out Dmen who didn't have it in them to give their best effort after years of being shat on.
- MaximumBone

Schultz was thrust into a role that he simply wasn't ready for yet. It's hard to feel a ton of sympathy for the guy because if I recall correctly, one of the stipulations for him signing in Edmonton was a guaranteed roster spot.

Yeah I agree he needed a change. I didn't agree that he was the POS the majority on here made him out to be. I kinda figured he overwhelmed and burned out and not having fun. That is coaching and management fault for miscasting him.

I don't mind trading Eberle for cap reasons, but running him out of town for not scoring, when he was our 3rd best scorer( in an off year), on a team with pathetic scoring depth is just dumb.
He has another level. I hope they give him a shot on Draisaitl's wing if they make him 2C next season. Or another shot with Mc D.
- Larsson_fan

Unfortunately for him, his miserable playoff performance really seemed to cement what some have said for a while now: that he vanishes when the play gets heavy. Myself, I wouldn't be averse to seeing how he does next year, but from a money point of view, one of him or Nuge is eventually going to be gone.

Yeah I agree he needed a change. I didn't agree that he was the POS the majority on here made him out to be. I kinda figured he overwhelmed and burned out and not having fun. That is coaching and management fault for miscasting him.

I don't mind trading Eberle for cap reasons, but running him out of town for not scoring, when he was our 3rd best scorer( in an off year), on a team with pathetic scoring depth is just dumb.
He has another level. I hope they give him a shot on Draisaitl's wing if they make him 2C next season. Or another shot with Mc D.
- Larsson_fan

I maintain my disagreement with that statement. What we saw last year was actually great scoring depth. Only Nuge and Eberle had "down" years and even then, how much more can we expect? You'd be hard-pressed to find players who play 2nd line and 2nd unit PP minutes who will consistently accrue more points than them. Nuge does more and I at least saw efforts from Eberle to evolve his game that I hadn't seen before.

I'd still happily move Eberle to make room for better depth and would be open to moving Nuge for the right Dman, but the "need" to trade one of them isn't completely in effect until next year.

Unfortunately for him, his miserable playoff performance really seemed to cement what some have said for a while now: that he vanishes when the play gets heavy. Myself, I wouldn't be averse to seeing how he does next year, but from a money point of view, one of him or Nuge is eventually going to be gone.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I think both will be gone long term, but if Nuge keeps around this level of offense then he'll likely be signable at a fair drop from what he's getting paid now. 4 years from now, that is.

Unfortunately for him, his miserable playoff performance really seemed to cement what some have said for a while now: that he vanishes when the play gets heavy. Myself, I wouldn't be averse to seeing how he does next year, but from a money point of view, one of him or Nuge is eventually going to be gone.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Agreed. The one thing that makes sense to me is to start looking for those players who have that next level for the playoffs. Every Cup winner seems to have those clutch guys.
We saw it with LD, Kassian and Larsson.

I maintain my disagreement with that statement. What we saw last year was actually great scoring depth. Only Nuge and Eberle had "down" years and even then, how much more can we expect? You'd be hard-pressed to find players who play 2nd line and 2nd unit PP minutes who will consistently accrue more points than them. Nuge does more and I at least saw efforts from Eberle to evolve his game that I hadn't seen before.

I'd still happily move Eberle to make room for better depth and would be open to moving Nuge for the right Dman, but the "need" to trade one of them isn't completely in effect until next year.
- MaximumBone

You're actually agreeing with me. Nuge and Ebs had fine numbers , even if most of the mungers think they were soft.

You're actually agreeing with me. Nuge and Ebs had fine numbers , even if most of the mungers think they were soft.
- Larsson_fan

I'm agreeing on Nuge and Eberle. Disagreeing that the team had weak scoring depth.

I'm agreeing on Nuge and Eberle. Disagreeing that the team had weak scoring depth.
- MaximumBone

Yeah that's fair.