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hags11
Season Ticket Holder
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 08.06.2010

May 19 @ 10:54 AM ET
What are the Flames fans thoughts on Tkchuk ? I really love that kid if you hadn't noticed lol Is he more of a fan fav then someone who you think will actually be an untouchable asset ? or do you see him being a one of a kind player of maybe the Benn ilk ? What is a small list of assets Calgary would be willing to move to get the goalie of their choice ? How is Bennett coming along ?
- blizzzard

IMO, the Flames look at Tkachuk as an untouchable. He is exactly what they need and also who they were hoping to get in last year's draft - when he fell into their laps because of Columbus picking Dubois - they wet their pants! He played above their expectations in his first year. He is 18 years old and already pretty much every player in the league hates him - which is great for Calgary. He is only going to get better as he learns the ins & outs of the league better, learns a little more discipline - although he drew more penalties than he took this season - that may change though as the refs become more familiar with his game. Long story short - he is untouchable.
Bennett - you are more likely to get him than Tkachuk. I don't know that they consider him untouchable - for the right deal I think he would be available - but like Schneider - he is not being shopped and a Team would have to come asking for him and they would have to overpay to get him.
Bennett for Schneider........that's interesting.......maybe. It just scares me to be giving up a 20 year old center (or winger if you want to play him there), for a 31 year old goalie. It's not the position that scares me as the Flames are looking strong in that position with Monahan, Backlund and now Jankowski pretty much ready to join the team. It's the age that makes me reluctant. Bennett has tons of upside - he plays better in the playoffs - which is a good sign. With the age thing, I think the Devils would have to add more than Schneider to get Bennett - probably not much more though - maybe a decent right wing prospect-they are weak there.
hags11
Season Ticket Holder
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 08.06.2010

May 19 @ 11:04 AM ET
What are the Flames fans thoughts on Tkchuk ? I really love that kid if you hadn't noticed lol Is he more of a fan fav then someone who you think will actually be an untouchable asset ? or do you see him being a one of a kind player of maybe the Benn ilk ? What is a small list of assets Calgary would be willing to move to get the goalie of their choice ? How is Bennett coming along ?
- blizzzard

Small list of assets they might be willing to move for the goalie of their choice:
Bennett
Ferland
Frolik
Parsons (G)
Gillies (G)
Rittich (G)
Kylington (D)
Andersson (D)
Kulak (D)
Fox (D)
Wotherspoon (D)
Klimchuk (F)
Mangiapane (F)
Hathaway (F)
Poirer (F)
Pretty much anybody on the farm team - except Jankowski. Sorry - that's a large list


archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

May 19 @ 11:05 AM ET
I would like to know the difference in the past few big centers to get drafted and 1.why teams where trying to move up to get them and Nolan Patrick ? How different or similar is his game to Dubois ? He was pegged to be Jamie Benn like , is he really a completely different large center then Patrick ? Would you take 2."The Swiss Forseberg" over Dubois or just Patrick ? I am pretty sure it was been said that if he did make the cut for last years draft that Patrick would have went somewhere between Dubois and Tkchuk 3.So would Colombus or any of you had of reached and taken Nolan or Hischnier over Dubois or Pujujarvi ? Just some thoughts I had and wondered what everyone thought ?

I am for Patrick but I do think most Devils fans seemed to be caught up in Nico fever. I thought instead of comparing them to NHL superstars and picking which we prefer why not compare them to recent high draft picks ? and what their potential was pegged at ? I feel like the top players in this draft are getting a bad rap because they aren't generational but it's odd to me that a guy in the second tier of players expected to go in last years draft ( Dubois ) can get such high comparisons and no negativity but Patrick is scraps even though like I said I am almost certain I have read he would of went somewhere between 3-7 and that entire grouping of players from last years draft has 4.tremendous expectations.

- blizzzard


1. Depends on the player. You want to move up to get McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, obviously... but in normal years centers are rare commodities...

Last year, you had one premium center (Matthews)...

... this year, no real premium centers. Something like six of the top ten players are centers, and they all have about the same ceiling: the teams drafting them will think they eventually play first line. Because they're not as rare this year, the demand for Patrick won't be as high. Some of them are projects, some more than others, but each with high ceiling. Most the teams picking in top 10 aren't in "win now" mode, so they can wait rather than overpay to trade up. Dallas is the exception.

2. That was a gross exaggeration I made to make a point. Forsberg was a prodigy.

3. Last year, if I was picking at 3 as CBJ, I pick Patrick. That's where I think he would have gone. He also would have been in higher demand last year because there were fewer centers available (and because he wasn't injured). Patrick almost made the birthday cut off, so it makes sense to talk about it. He's three months older than Hischier.

4. I don't know what expectations you're talking about. There was a clear 1, 2, and 3: Matthews, Laine were A+ tier, Puljujaarvi A tier, and then 4 beyond were standard picks. Tkachuk was supposed to go 4th, but that sort of got shuffled when CBJ took Dubois. As soon as CBJ took Dubois, Edmonton's draft phone probably lit up before Chiarelli pulled the plug on it. I personally wanted to get one of the two Finns... the others would have been excited to get them as well, but at 12, I think, we didn't believe we were worse off than at #4 and I didn't want to move Severson/Larsson to get to 4.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

May 19 @ 11:11 AM ET
riveting discussion over here
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 19 @ 11:13 AM ET
1. Depends on the player. You want to move up to get McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, obviously... but in normal years centers are rare commodities...

Last year, you had one premium center (Matthews)...

... this year, no real premium centers. Something like six of the top ten players are centers, and they all have about the same ceiling: the teams drafting them will think they eventually play first line. Because they're not as rare this year, the demand for Patrick won't be as high. Some of them are projects, some more than others, but each with high ceiling. Most the teams picking in top 10 aren't in "win now" mode, so they can wait rather than overpay to trade up. Dallas is the exception.

2. That was a gross exaggeration I made to make a point. Forsberg was a prodigy.

3. Last year, if I was picking at 3 as CBJ, I pick Patrick. That's where I think he would have gone. He also would have been in higher demand last year because there were fewer centers available (and because he wasn't injured). Patrick almost made the birthday cut off, so it makes sense to talk about it. He's three months older than Hischier.

4. I don't know what expectations you're talking about. There was a clear 1, 2, and 3: Matthews, Laine were A+ tier, Puljujaarvi A tier, and then 4 beyond were standard picks. Tkachuk was supposed to go 4th, but that sort of got shuffled when CBJ took Dubois. As soon as CBJ took Dubois, Edmonton's draft phone probably lit up before Chiarelli pulled the plug on it. I personally wanted to get one of the two Finns... the others would have been excited to get them as well, but at 12, I think, we didn't believe we were worse off than at #4 and I didn't want to move Severson/Larsson to get to 4.

- archromat



He also would have been coming off of a season where he had 41 goals and 102 points in the regular season plus another 30 points in the playoffs. He could definitely have made an argument for #2 behind Matthews.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

May 19 @ 11:13 AM ET

Outside of the draft insanity I'd like to see the Devils try and trade for Brendan Lemieux. Quenneville put a lot more points in the AHL this year and looks like he was the right pick over Lemieux at the draft but I'd still love to try and get him on our team.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 19 @ 11:13 AM ET
riveting discussion over here
- MartysBetter88



We could go back to discussing how much Kovy is worth, just saying.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 19 @ 11:25 AM ET
Outside of the draft insanity I'd like to see the Devils try and trade for Brendan Lemieux. Quenneville put a lot more points in the AHL this year and looks like he was the right pick over Lemieux at the draft but I'd still love to try and get him on our team.
- Queenie_5_hole

Should have drafted Lemieux
archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

May 19 @ 11:32 AM ET
He also would have been coming off of a season where he had 41 goals and 102 points in the regular season plus another 30 points in the playoffs. He could definitely have made an argument for #2 behind Matthews.
- smellmyfinger


Only because he was a center.

Laine's argument got extremely strong after the IIHF men's tournament.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

May 19 @ 11:53 AM ET
Should have drafted Lemieux
- shvingter88


Seems very odd we didn't considering we drafted Matteau...
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