Todd he's also only 21 and typically Defenseman take longer then forwards to develop i would wait and see how he's playing when he's 24-26 years old if he's still putting up similar numbers then I will agree
- Devils314

Yeah, I know. I scouted 100+ of his games when he was in junior and am a fan. I'm just saying a case can be made he isn't the best player in his draft.

I'm still in favor of moving Schneider if it netted us a top pick or top prospects. I was dreaming about that potential deal to Dallas for the #3, but obviously that's out the window. But I'd consider THAT trade more than moving away from #1 all together.
- jersey1414

(gets invite to Flames blog)...

Any player on our roster other than Horvat and our 5th pick for the first overall.

I'm still in favor of moving Schneider if it netted us a top pick or top prospects. I was dreaming about that potential deal to Dallas for the #3, but obviously that's out the window. But I'd consider THAT trade more than moving away from #1 all together.
- jersey1414

How about this (also posted on the Flames blog):


Ha good joke. We need defense and bad.

But yeah, 1st and a decent prospect is definitely in the ballpark.
- willschulme


How about we keep our first - but we give you 2 A level prospects (Kylington & Gillies) and 1 A- or B+ prospect (Mangiapane or Shinkaruk or Poirer). This would give Calgary a bonafide # 1, top 7 goalie in the league and at the age range that matches their core group. This would give Jersey an A level defense prospect with huge upside, an A level goaltending prospect to compete with Blackwood as the future starter, and a B+ offensive prospect, also with good upside (especially Mangiapane or Shinkaruk). From Jersey's perspective, they are getting 3 high level prospects that are much closer to playing in the NHL than an 18 year old, and they fill 3 of their organization needs. From Calgary's perspective they get their starter, and the goalie carousel ends, plus they give up no current roster players which helps the "win now" mode. They give up a lot from a prospect perspective, but there are still other prospects who should be ready to fill the shoes of the departed. This is an example from both sides of "giving quality to get quality". Get er done Tre!

Any player on our roster other than Horvat and our 5th pick for the first overall.
- Itsjustarash

We'll take Reid boucher for the 1st overall straight up. Hear that kid has a nice shot

We'll take Reid boucher for the 1st overall straight up. Hear that kid has a nice shot
- Krazykid

No way in heck that happens on my watch. Reid is a PP specialist.

Just got bored of this topic, so bringing up another beat to death topic. Over at SNY, the Islander writers/bloggers were talking about acquiring Kovalchuk. They concluded he was worth a third round pick and thought it could get done. Now I think they are crazy, but if that is all he is worth, and after what he did to our franchise, it is not worth seeing him score 30 goals for another team for a third round pick. Let him wait a year.

https://www.sny.tv/island...n-the-islanders/230967094

I'm still in favor of moving Schneider if it netted us a top pick or top prospects. I was dreaming about that potential deal to Dallas for the #3, but obviously that's out the window. But I'd consider THAT trade more than moving away from #1 all together.
- jersey1414

I'm also on the trade Corey bandwagon, but be careful saying that here. I got lambasted at the trade deadline for suggesting the trade. But there seems to be a glut of goalies available so not sure we would get a kings ransom for him?

How about this (also posted on the Flames blog):


Ha good joke. We need defense and bad.

But yeah, 1st and a decent prospect is definitely in the ballpark.
- willschulme


How about we keep our first - but we give you 2 A level prospects (Kylington & Gillies) and 1 A- or B+ prospect (Mangiapane or Shinkaruk or Poirer). This would give Calgary a bonafide # 1, top 7 goalie in the league and at the age range that matches their core group. This would give Jersey an A level defense prospect with huge upside, an A level goaltending prospect to compete with Blackwood as the future starter, and a B+ offensive prospect, also with good upside (especially Mangiapane or Shinkaruk). From Jersey's perspective, they are getting 3 high level prospects that are much closer to playing in the NHL than an 18 year old, and they fill 3 of their organization needs. From Calgary's perspective they get their starter, and the goalie carousel ends, plus they give up no current roster players which helps the "win now" mode. They give up a lot from a prospect perspective, but there are still other prospects who should be ready to fill the shoes of the departed. This is an example from both sides of "giving quality to get quality". Get er done Tre!
- hags11

Schneids is a top 3 goalie, you put any goalie on this team and I would love to see how they faired. Its pretty easy to say when Holtby plays behind who he does. As for moving Cory we don't have to but if we did it would be to rapidly speed up the rebuild not speed it up 4-5 years from now. I would be asking for Tkchuk or Johnny hockey and if the flames don't like it then whatever I'm not the team with a terrible goaltending situation. Also is Gillies not a goalie ? I think we are good with Blackwood and Wedgewood no need to add Gillies when Blackwood could be better.

I'm also on the trade Corey bandwagon, but be careful saying that here. I got lambasted at the trade deadline for suggesting the trade. But there seems to be a glut of goalies available so not sure we would get a kings ransom for him?
- Crushers68

That is why you don't deal him. He is worth a kings ransom and if that isn't the market then you can't take less just because, you keep him and look at other avenues to speed up the build !

Schneids is a top 3 goalie, you put any goalie on this team and I would love to see how they faired. Its pretty easy to say when Holtby plays behind who he does. As for moving Cory we don't have to but if we did it would be to rapidly speed up the rebuild not speed it up 4-5 years from now. I would be asking for Tkchuk or Johnny hockey and if the flames don't like it then whatever I'm not the team with a terrible goaltending situation. Also is Gillies not a goalie ? I think we are good with Blackwood and Wedgewood no need to add Gillies when Blackwood could be better.
- blizzzard

Read the rest of the offer, Kylington is a 19 year old Dman who put up 30 points in the AHL last year when most players his age are in juniors, Gillies would add to depth with Wedgewood and Blackwood, and Shinkaruk is probably a future NHL winger, maybe 3rd liner. That's a pretty big haul for a goalie.

Just got bored of this topic, so bringing up another beat to death topic. Over at SNY, the Islander writers/bloggers were talking about acquiring Kovalchuk. They concluded he was worth a third round pick and thought it could get done. Now I think they are crazy, but if that is all he is worth, and after what he did to our franchise, it is not worth seeing him score 30 goals for another team for a third round pick. Let him wait a year.

https://www.sny.tv/island...n-the-islanders/230967094
- redmonsters

I think it more reasonable to discuss the draft since the Kovy situation really only makes sense to talk about after the expansion shuffle and the draft.

Was it on a podcast by chance?

Reminiscent of Larsson for Hall, the whole hockey world was flabbergasted except for some NJ fans and other GMs... they might have this reaction to the eventual Kovy deal.

Read the rest of the offer, Kylington is a 19 year old Dman who put up 30 points in the AHL last year when most players his age are in juniors, Gillies would add to depth with Wedgewood and Blackwood, and Shinkaruk is probably a future NHL winger, maybe 3rd liner. That's a pretty big haul for a goalie.
- smellmyfinger

lol A lot of guys are just goalies, Schneider is premier. Kylington is an unknown commodity and if he tickles you're fancy that badly you offer something else... Lets not forget how special the draft was supposed to be that we traded 9th for ( as deep as the 03 it was said over and over again ) Cory. Also if he is so great they should have no problem keeping him like I have no problem keeping Cory IF I don't get the package or return I want. It's as simple as he isn't available.

Read the rest of the offer, Kylington is a 19 year old Dman who put up 30 points in the AHL last year when most players his age are in juniors, Gillies would add to depth with Wedgewood and Blackwood, and Shinkaruk is probably a future NHL winger, maybe 3rd liner. That's a pretty big haul for a goalie.
- smellmyfinger

Shinkaruk is charity. He's only playing for Calgary right now because Alberta is his home province. Vancouver pretty much declared him a bust. Most he'll ever be is a healthy scratch who you slot in to your second/third lines when you have injuries. He's a top 6 AHLer,, like a bunch of the guys we already have on our team.

He has no value; if he was put on waivers, he'd probably not get picked up.

Shinkaruk is charity. He's only playing for Calgary right now because Alberta is his home province. Vancouver pretty much declared him a bust. Most he'll ever be is a healthy scratch who you slot in to your second/third lines when you have injuries. He's a top 6 AHLer,, like a bunch of the guys we already have on our team.

He has no value; if he was put on waivers, he'd probably not get picked up.
- archromat

I was thinking the same thing. Like Reid Boucher, only has one or two attributes to their game.

lol A lot of guys are just goalies, Schneider is premier. Kylington is an unknown commodity and if he tickles you're fancy that badly you offer something else... Lets not forget how special the draft was supposed to be that we traded 9th for ( as deep as the 03 it was said over and over again ) Cory. Also if he is so great they should have no problem keeping him like I have no problem keeping Cory IF I don't get the package or return I want. It's as simple as he isn't available.
- blizzzard

I get it, Schneider is an elite goalie, but the fact is goalies do not get a great return for the most part on the trade market, and while the 2013 draft wasn't 2003, it was pretty damn good.

Shinkaruk is charity. He's only playing for Calgary right now because Alberta is his home province. Vancouver pretty much declared him a bust. Most he'll ever be is a healthy scratch who you slot in to your second/third lines when you have injuries. He's a top 6 AHLer,, like a bunch of the guys we already have on our team.

He has no value; if he was put on waivers, he'd probably not get picked up.
- archromat

I wouldn't rule out Shinkaruk yet, and I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at him as a toss in for a trade. Our injury call ups have been Coleman and Pietila, I think Shinkaruk has more upside.

I get it, Schneider is an elite goalie, but the fact is goalies do not get a great return for the most part on the trade market, and while the 2013 draft wasn't 2003, it was pretty damn good.
- smellmyfinger

Do you realize how bad we just where with him ? We wouldn't get two first overall picks next year for finishing dead last by record margins so why give away a guy who is only going to help us. We still don't know what can happen this off season. It isn't unrealistic to think we can turn this around quicker then not I mean in a year where there isn't expansion we got palms so I think we are set to take advantage of more then one team this off season plus potential free agent signings and internal growth. I just can't trade a goalie who in my mind is top 3 ( every goalie gets a down year ) for anything less then the piece I want not the pieces I get talked down to talking. Just because we stole him from vancouver doesn't mean we need to let someone else steal him from us.

Todd Cordell: More thoughts on Nico Hischier and Nolan Patrick
- Todd.Cordell

Q speaks very highly of Patrick

Also ekblad is way better and more valuable than those players listed

1) Patrick was a big part of that dominant Wheaties team, not a mere passenger.

2) In terms of pedigree, as a 16-year-old, he was already a 30-goal, point-per-game player in the Western League.

3) Even with the injury issues this past season and the Wheaties being not nearly as strong, he still averaged roughly 1.4 points per game. The previous year, healthier and with a loaded lineup, he was 1.42 PPG. Hardly a big drop.

4) I have no idea where this "lazy player" and "bad teammate" nonsense is coming from in some of the pubs. If the former is because of the sports hernia injury and recovery time frame, well, he wouldn't be the first player to have physical struggle mistaken by some for apathy. As for "bad teammate", he's worn the C with Brandon and was also a captain at lower levels.
- bmeltzer

My boy

Q speaks very highly of Patrick

Also ekblad is way better and more valuable than those players listed
- shvingter88

I said that but it holds no weight because that is expected of him...

1) Patrick was a big part of that dominant Wheaties team, not a mere passenger.

2) In terms of pedigree, as a 16-year-old, he was already a 30-goal, point-per-game player in the Western League.

3) Even with the injury issues this past season and the Wheaties being not nearly as strong, he still averaged roughly 1.4 points per game. The previous year, healthier and with a loaded lineup, he was 1.42 PPG. Hardly a big drop.

4) I have no idea where this "lazy player" and "bad teammate" nonsense is coming from in some of the pubs. If the former is because of the sports hernia injury and recovery time frame, well, he wouldn't be the first player to have physical struggle mistaken by some for apathy. As for "bad teammate", he's worn the C with Brandon and was also a captain at lower levels.
- bmeltzer

Legend

wow what a ridiculous article. you think Florida would trade ekblad for anyone else in the DRAFT? I doubt that. and how can you possibly say that scouts saying patrick is a #1 for years doesn't mean a thing. look we were never supposed to get nolan patrick. now we can. and I don't think it's a good idea to draft a Swiss born player 1st overall. the first overall pick should come out of canada.

Just got bored of this topic, so bringing up another beat to death topic. Over at SNY, the Islander writers/bloggers were talking about acquiring Kovalchuk. They concluded he was worth a third round pick and thought it could get done. Now I think they are crazy, but if that is all he is worth, and after what he did to our franchise, it is not worth seeing him score 30 goals for another team for a third round pick. Let him wait a year.

https://www.sny.tv/island...n-the-islanders/230967094
- redmonsters

Read through it somewhat. It seems they are in denial. They are saying that Kovy would fit nicely with Tavares on the 1st line and 1st PP, but somehow think that a 3rd would do it?

It would probably start with one of their really good players/prospects, and that's the starting point.

The thing is most people are saying that this team could use him to play with this or that player. And most of the time it's with someone on the 1st line or 1st PP, but somehow they all, if not most, come to the conclusion that a 3rd would get it done.

I get it, Schneider is an elite goalie, but the fact is goalies do not get a great return for the most part on the trade market, and while the 2013 draft wasn't 2003, it was pretty damn good.
- smellmyfinger

Then don't trade him. We shouldn't sell low for no reason. Also, Gilles wasn't even the best goalie on his team at 23 and while Kylington had a pretty good season, I'd need a more blue chip asset if I'm thinking of moving Schneider, either a really high pick in this draft or a blue chip D prospect.