Why not pay darling and trade Crawford ?
- Redmile247

because one is a proven #1 and a Cup winner. the other is not.

Raanta or Grubauer should be on your list if you don't wanna pay big bucks for a proven #1. just be happy you didn't get Bishop.

because one is a proven #1 and a Cup winner. the other is not.

Raanta or Grubauer should be on your list if you don't wanna pay big bucks for a proven #1. just be happy you didn't get Bishop.
- fidopro

I'd love either and am thrilled we didn't get Bishop. Dude wanted way too much money and term for declining stats.

I'd love either and am thrilled we didn't get Bishop. Dude wanted way too much money and term for declining stats.
- Helios

with the game Grubauer played this afternoon againts CAN, his tag price just went up

because one is a proven #1 and a Cup winner. the other is not.

Raanta or Grubauer should be on your list if you don't wanna pay big bucks for a proven #1. just be happy you didn't get Bishop.
- fidopro

I get that Crawford is proven ....but he wasn't at one point and sane with niemi when they both won cups ...I feel like the hawks need to get creative the next few years with the cap if they want to compete again ...

I get that Crawford is proven ....but he wasn't at one point and sane with niemi when they both won cups ...I feel like the hawks need to get creative the next few years with the cap if they want to compete again ...
- Redmile247

no doubt. you cannot win a cup every other year if you're not
but seriously, it will be tough, Keith is getting older. he's the key.

no doubt. you cannot win a cup every other year if you're not
but seriously, it will be tough, Keith is getting older. he's the key.
- fidopro

I think having toews Kane and seabrook making like 40% more per a year is what hurts them the most ...you cant add pieces when your stars are overpaid ( I do believe they deserve the money as they were very underpaid for years )

I think having toews Kane and seabrook making like 40% more per a year is what hurts them the most ...you cant add pieces when your stars are overpaid ( I do believe they deserve the money as they were very underpaid for years )
- Redmile247

yeah.
10,5M per is maybe a bit much. at the same time they won 3 cups in 6 years. can't have your cake and eat it too I guess.

I don't think we'll see Kase again tonight. what an idiot.

yeah.
10,5M per is maybe a bit much. at the same time they won 3 cups in 6 years. can't have your cake and eat it too I guess.
- fidopro

I laugh when people complain about the contracts given to guys like Kane toews kopi etc ...if I knew the flames could win a couple cups I would no problem paying guys over ten million for ten years after that

yeah.
10,5M per is maybe a bit much. at the same time they won 3 cups in 6 years. can't have your cake and eat it too I guess.

I don't think we'll see Kase againn tonight. what an idiot.
- fidopro

Come on preds ....gotta score here

Come on preds ....gotta score here
- Redmile247

Classic Bieksa play. Come on Preds make em pay!

Classic Bieksa play. Come on Preds make em pay!
- Helios

I'm calling Josi with the tie

I'm calling Josi with the tie
- Redmile247

I couldn't stop laughing at the complaining about the refs during that intermission

I couldn't stop laughing at the complaining about the refs during that intermission
- ScotsonFire

In the playoffs everyone become hypocrites

To get this straight, you would give up a package of Kylington, Gillies and Shinkaruk for Schneider?
- smellmyfinger

Yes - got to give to get. I'm trying to be realistic on what the Flames would have to give up, but apparently from some comments on the Devils blog, I'm not being realistic. Shinkaruk wouldn't even be picked up on waivers if put there, don't need Gillies-already have 2 goalie prospects who could be better than Gillies and Kylington can't be that good if we are trying to get rid of him.

Wow - make a counter offer then that does not include any of our core.

I would take Tkchuk or Johnny hockey like I said in the Devils thread and if that doesn't interest them then Im not the one with a goalie issue and a win now mode. If there is no market for goaltenders I keep Cory no need to move an elite asset for pennies.
- blizzzard

Pennies?? Do you know anything about the two A prospects suggested and either of the 3 B+ (you pick 1) prospects offered? We don't need Schneider that bad and there are way too may other goalie options out there and none of Calgary's core will be traded for a goalie. You guys are very early in a rebuild - don't you see the value in the prospects offered? Make a counter offer - but be realistic & take into consideration where each team is at in their rebuild. You guys have a great opportunity to really speed up your rebuild by moving Schneider for "A" prospects that are almost (or possibly are) NHL ready. Why keep him around to steal games for you and move you up in the standings - also slowing your rebuild.

Pennies?? Do you know anything about the two A prospects suggested and either of the 3 B+ (you pick 1) prospects offered? We don't need Schneider that bad and there are way too may other goalie options out there and none of Calgary's core will be traded for a goalie. You guys are very early in a rebuild - don't you see the value in the prospects offered? Make a counter offer - but be realistic & take into consideration where each team is at in their rebuild. You guys have a great opportunity to really speed up your rebuild by moving Schneider for "A" prospects that are almost (or possibly are) NHL ready. Why keep him around to steal games for you and move you up in the standings - also slowing your rebuild.
- hags11

Wasting your time. They have Taylor Hall & the guy is a lotto magnet & it doesn't matter if they finish 20th or 23rd in the league, they'll win every lotto with Taylor Hall.
Don't forget, they have 11 picks in the draft & they are all going to be studs.
They will be able to turn this into a contender by next year. Patrick> than McDavid

Wasting your time. They have Taylor Hall & the guy is a lotto magnet & it doesn't matter if they finish 20th or 23rd in the league, they'll win every lotto with Taylor Hall.
Don't forget, they have 11 picks in the draft & they are all going to be studs.
They will be able to turn this into a contender by next year. Patrick> than McDavid
- Kevin R

Pennies?? Do you know anything about the two A prospects suggested and either of the 3 B+ (you pick 1) prospects offered? We don't need Schneider that bad and there are way too may other goalie options out there and none of Calgary's core will be traded for a goalie. You guys are very early in a rebuild - don't you see the value in the prospects offered? Make a counter offer - but be realistic & take into consideration where each team is at in their rebuild. You guys have a great opportunity to really speed up your rebuild by moving Schneider for "A" prospects that are almost (or possibly are) NHL ready. Why keep him around to steal games for you and move you up in the standings - also slowing your rebuild.
- hags11

I think the NJ fan is closer than we have been in the suggested trade proposals
Think of what Larrson fetched...now think about the fact Schneider is probably more coveted
He's a young stud goalie...we aren't getting him for just prospects
I'm not saying trade johnny, but realistically it's gotta be a real NHLer, not high prospects...they're still prospects for a reason

So no....a piece like Kylington + picks isn't gonna do it, think more like Brodie and picks
I wouldn't do it, NJ won't do it for less....so end of discussion?

Pennies?? Do you know anything about the two A prospects suggested and either of the 3 B+ (you pick 1) prospects offered? We don't need Schneider that bad and there are way too may other goalie options out there and none of Calgary's core will be traded for a goalie. You guys are very early in a rebuild - don't you see the value in the prospects offered? Make a counter offer - but be realistic & take into consideration where each team is at in their rebuild. You guys have a great opportunity to really speed up your rebuild by moving Schneider for "A" prospects that are almost (or possibly are) NHL ready. Why keep him around to steal games for you and move you up in the standings - also slowing your rebuild.
- hags11

So we are trading a guy who is a proven elite talent for a guy you took in the third round last year just because he had 1 good ahl season ??? And then you want us to be happy about you giving us such talents as Shinkaruk who is Reid Boucher 2.0 and would literally likely clear waivers just because Schneider is 31 ?

He only became a starter last year basically so there is plenty of miles left in the tank and I'm not just banking on this years draft we have quite a few guys who are ready and more along the way. Mikey Mcleod just had a hell of a season, Zacha had a pretty solid first year, Miles Wood, John Quennville had a pretty huge year in his first as a pro, Blackwood was solid we have Joey Anderson coming and we just drafted a russian defender who had a solid year in st petersburgh in Rykov.

I would say we are not banking on this draft alone at all but it sure will help, thing is we have already done enough stock piling for this draft so why add more pieces? Do you seriously think the only way we can move back into the first is by moving Schneider ? We have the picks to package to get back into the first and same as next draft. We need to add 2-3 players ( either one up front and two on the back or vice versa) that are in the 25 age range. We also don't need to move Schneider to do that either.

The Main point is I don't think a single reputable person has said anything about either Ray Shero or Cory Schneider not wanting to be in NJ anymore so to sit here and tell us that we need you're prospects for a player that I don't even think is available at all is just silly. I also think it's funny that you took what I said and turned it into me thinking we where going to get nothing but studs, but you seriously think we aren't going to find anyone outside the top pick with our 11 picks ???? The next guy we take after number one doesn't need to be ready for 2-3 years as there are good players coming up wether you want to believe it or not.

I think the NJ fan is closer than we have been in the suggested trade proposals
Think of what Larrson fetched...now think about the fact Schneider is probably more coveted
He's a young stud goalie...we aren't getting him for just prospects
I'm not saying trade johnny, but realistically it's gotta be a real NHLer, not high prospects...they're still prospects for a reason

So no....a piece like Kylington + picks isn't gonna do it, think more like Brodie and picks
I wouldn't do it, NJ won't do it for less....so end of discussion?
- cpltanto

I don't know why it gets taken so seriously. Like I have said Cory Schneider isn't available and if he is it isn't for what he is worth it is for a lot more. It's simple as that any player is available for the right price. No one stops to realize that the price is going to be ridiculous. I Also never disputed how weak the goalie market is and has been but it doesn't matter because again who is saying he is on the market ? Do you pay market value for something that isn't even on the market ? I also think you guys are making a mistake and valuing Keith's son to much ( ala Hall and the Oil ) he might be a fan fav and is going to be a hell of a player but he isn't in the same category as so many goood players that you're refusal to give up him for something you need might cost the flames one day. You can't tell me that you guys miss the play offs next year if you add Cory and remove Tkchuk ??? I know it stings but does he really impact the game more then Cory potentially could ?

I don't know why it gets taken so seriously. Like I have said Cory Schneider isn't available and if he is it isn't for what he is worth it is for a lot more. It's simple as that any player is available for the right price. No one stops to realize that the price is going to be ridiculous. I Also never disputed how weak the goalie market is and has been but it doesn't matter because again who is saying he is on the market ? Do you pay market value for something that isn't even on the market ? I also think you guys are making a mistake and valuing Keith's son to much ( ala Hall and the Oil ) he might be a fan fav and is going to be a hell of a player but he isn't in the same category as so many goood players that you're refusal to give up him for something you need might cost the flames one day. You can't tell me that you guys miss the play offs next year if you add Cory and remove Tkchuk ??? I know it stings but does he really impact the game more then Cory potentially could ?
- blizzzard

#wheresDogla?

I don't know why it gets taken so seriously. Like I have said Cory Schneider isn't available and if he is it isn't for what he is worth it is for a lot more. It's simple as that any player is available for the right price. No one stops to realize that the price is going to be ridiculous. I Also never disputed how weak the goalie market is and has been but it doesn't matter because again who is saying he is on the market ? Do you pay market value for something that isn't even on the market ? I also think you guys are making a mistake and valuing Keith's son to much ( ala Hall and the Oil ) he might be a fan fav and is going to be a hell of a player but he isn't in the same category as so many goood players that you're refusal to give up him for something you need might cost the flames one day. You can't tell me that you guys miss the play offs next year if you add Cory and remove Tkchuk ??? I know it stings but does he really impact the game more then Cory potentially could ?
- blizzzard

Tkachuk is exactly the kind of forward Calgary has needed for years. He's young, he's mean and he pisses people off. Taylor Hall was expendable because the Oilers already have several forwards like him. Calgary has no other forwards like Tkachuk. Also, if he doesn't "impact the game that much" why would you take him for Schneider?

Tkachuk can score, he can hit, and he won't back down from anybody. Calgary's needed a guy in their line up like that for years. I don't know why we're still talking about this as it's pretty clear this Schneider deal isn't happening (which is fine because we have several other options), but don't tell me I value Tkachuk too much when you're the one who wants to trade him for Schneider.

I disagree with Elliot being the better goalie. Elliot was babied at times throughout the season to try and get his confidence back up. Johnson had the most difficult schedule, and playing spectacularly at times through it. Elliot finally got hot at the end and played a great stretch, but eventually regressed to his earlier abilities by seasons end. Johnson came back in at the end, but was so cold and I imagine not getting the trust from the coaching staff that he didn't get the opportunity to bounce back. Elliot out, keep Johnson, pick up someone new to bet on.