Not for nothing but Duchense can be that player that gets over 70 points a year. A change of scenery could have been all he needed
- kasperrko

He had 70 points once, and even if he got 70 points the next three years is that worth losing a first-round pick Nelson barzal and pulock? The cumulative effect is not worth it especially losing barzal and pulock

listen I get your desire for a trade but the trade deadline is not the time to try and improve your team this team needs several moves and with the expansion draft the regular draft in free agency coming up this is when you make the team better

Duchenne was 18g 23a 41 pts.
Nelson was 20g 25a 45 pts

So we get less points and lose a pick, and sakic wanted 3 2 more pieces, that's (frank)ing nuts
- Upstate_isles

I'm not the biggest Duchene fan, but I'll take him over Nelson anyday and I'm not suggesting giving up Barzal and Pulock for him. We need to stop this thinking of Garth not being able to get Duchene so it's ok for him not to trade at all.

I will settle for nothing less then a trade at the draft. We do not need to make this pick at all this year. Do something make that trade that will shock the team and the fans. Maybe then players will play a little harder knowing they can get traded at any time
- kasperrko

I want at least to trades and I'm not even looking for two all stars. Garth can just forget UFA's this year. Let him put all his focus on trades.

I'm not the biggest Duchene fan, but I'll take him over Nelson anyday and I'm not suggesting giving up Barzal and Pulock for him. We need to stop this thinking of Garth not being able to get Duchene so it's ok for him not to trade at all.
- ses111

No one thinks that , we are saying or at least I'm saying that it was not the right time at the deadline

I'm not the biggest Duchene fan, but I'll take him over Nelson anyday and I'm not suggesting giving up Barzal and Pulock for him. We need to stop this thinking of Garth not being able to get Duchene so it's ok for him not to trade at all.
- ses111

That is the thing SES. He sets his heart on one guy each year and when he dont get that player he stomps and he feet and does nothing.

Its funny how other teams can make a splash when they need to and not give up much. Maybe Garth is just not respected with the other GMs and they feel they can ask him for anything

No one thinks that , we are saying or at least I'm saying that it was not the right time at the deadline
- Upstate_isles

Fair enough. So we are all in agreement that no excuses will be accepted if Garth strikes out this offseason?

Fair enough. So we are all in agreement that no excuses will be accepted if Garth strikes out this offseason?
- ses111

I agree totally. I mean he has had a million chances already

That is the thing SES. He sets his heart on one guy each year and when he dont get that player he stomps and he feet and does nothing.

Its funny how other teams can make a splash when they need to and not give up much. Maybe Garth is just not respected with the other GMs and they feel they can ask him for anything
- kasperrko

Well if you saw a guy poop all over himself multiple times you'd expect it too

Fair enough. So we are all in agreement that no excuses will be accepted if Garth strikes out this offseason?
- ses111

Yes

That is the thing SES. He sets his heart on one guy each year and when he dont get that player he stomps and he feet and does nothing.

Its funny how other teams can make a splash when they need to and not give up much. Maybe Garth is just not respected with the other GMs and they feel they can ask him for anything
- kasperrko

I do not think the guy works hard enough to investigate all possibilities. Why should he when he has no pressure to win?

Fair enough. So we are all in agreement that no excuses will be accepted if Garth strikes out this offseason?
- ses111

If the team makes a deep playoff run next season, I don't give a poop whether Garth made any trades. If the team stinks next season, I don't care if he made 25 trades...

Not for nothing he did catch lightning in a bottle when he grabbed MAtt Moulson off the trash heap. P.A PAranteau was another guy who was not doing much when we grabbed him. These were low cost risks that ended up being decent for the Islanders. He tried it with PRince and Quine and it did not work.

As for Martin Hanzel who knows how he would have played here or if he would have success but like I said sometimes you have to take that leap of faith.
- kasperrko

Oh now it's OK to go shopping on the trash heap, but only if it turns out to be successful. Moulson/PAP were good moves but Snow should be blamed for Prince/Quine? Come on, you can't just look back and make hindsight-based judgement.

And "as for Martin Hanzal" go look at the MIN GM saying that he regrets making that move now. That's what you get when you buy into the deadline-day hype. Regret. Most of the teams that are considered "winners" on deadline day don't win the Cup, FYI.

It's OK to take that leap of faith you mentioned when you're trying to add that one piece that you think will help propel you to winning the Cup, but the Islanders are not that team right now. He should only be concerned with adding future pieces that are under contract, not rental players that will cost us a good prospect and then some. That isn't how you build a winning team.

If the team makes a deep playoff run next season, I don't give a poop whether Garth made any trades. If the team stinks next season, I don't care if he made 25 trades...
- JohnScammo

If this is the same team from last year going into next year there is no way we make the playoffs or a playoff run. This team has been together for a while now and thye have only advanced once in the playoffs. USusally that is the sign that big changes need to be made

Oh now it's OK to go shopping on the trash heap, but only if it turns out to be successful. Moulson/PAP were good moves but Snow should be blamed for Prince/Quine? Come on, you can't just look back and make hindsight-based judgement.

And "as for Martin Hanzal" go look at the MIN GM saying that he regrets making that move now. That's what you get when you buy into the deadline-day hype. Regret. Most of the teams that are considered "winners" on deadline day don't win the Cup, FYI.

It's OK to take that leap of faith you mentioned when you're trying to add that one piece that you think will help propel you to winning the Cup, but the Islanders are not that team right now. He should only be concerned with adding future pieces that are under contract, not rental players that will cost us a good prospect and then some. That isn't how you build a winning team.
- eichiefs9

WEll if that is the case then GArth obviously has no clue what he is doing. He does not add future pieces. He thinks the guys that he has is taking them to the promise land and if you look at the teams still playing right now in the playoffs they all made trades at the trading deadline just saying

If the team makes a deep playoff run next season, I don't give a poop whether Garth made any trades. If the team stinks next season, I don't care if he made 25 trades...
- JohnScammo

Trust me, If I thought the team was good enough I would not be looking for them to make trades. They do not need 5 trades, but one or two are needed.

WEll if that is the case then GArth obviously has no clue what he is doing. He does not add future pieces. He thinks the guys that he has is taking them to the promise land and if you look at the teams still playing right now in the playoffs they all made trades at the trading deadline just saying
- kasperrko

All the teams that have been eliminated from the playoffs and a lot of teams that missed the playoffs made deadline day trades too.

Snow is a bad GM, but he didn't make a mistake by not trading for rentals on deadline day. He will have made a large mistake if he doesn't make some improvements to the roster this off-season.

Yea Dan this is like when I say I love my wife
- Upstate_isles

Man your on everybody's wife today

If this is the same team from last year going into next year there is no way we make the playoffs or a playoff run. This team has been together for a while now and thye have only advanced once in the playoffs. USusally that is the sign that big changes need to be made
- kasperrko

Same team? No frans ko or Martin. 25 and 16 also 72 66 were all new so it took time to get them together and they played much better when weight took over. Not an excuse but it is a different team that just missed, let's see what it can do with a new staff and system in place. Hopefully a few new players as well one preferably being a top 6

All the teams that have been eliminated from the playoffs and a lot of teams that missed the playoffs made deadline day trades too.

Snow is a bad GM, but he didn't make a mistake by not trading for rentals on deadline day. He will have made a large mistake if he doesn't make some improvements to the roster this off-season.
- eichiefs9

Ok fair enough Chief I get your point and agree about the offseason. I just dont trust him as for me he just does not have the smarts to improve this team and why he should have gone out the door with Cappy.

Also I have read all the trade ideas and players that you would like. Their is one player I dont think the Islanders have a chance at and this Johnson just because he is with Tampa and I doubt they trade him within the conference

Man your on everybody's wife today
- nyisles7

Well this is my wife at least

Same team? No frans ko or Martin. 25 and 16 also 72 66 were all new so it took time to get them together and they played much better when weight took over. Not an excuse but it is a different team that just missed, let's see what it can do with a new staff and system in place. Hopefully a few new players as well one preferably being a top 6
- Upstate_isles

The core of this team is still the same. You still have the same dummy as a GM. I am hoping that Weight changes the system as this system does not work obviously. The Islanders need speed and that is what they are lacking. These other teams are fast and they fly right by us. So to me he gets teh same type of players to replace the old ones so yea it might be different names but it is still the same team

Trust me, If I thought the team was good enough I would not be looking for them to make trades. They do not need 5 trades, but one or two are needed.
- ses111

I understand your impatience with this GM and the teams stale growth in the last 4 years. I think he's run his course and should be run out of town, but I think at this point the team needs a clear definition of its future and signing or not signing JT to a long term extension will define what direction this team should go as far as holding on to prospects or trading them imho.

I understand your impatience with this GM and the teams stale growth in the last 4 years. I think he's run his course and should be run out of town, but I think at this point the team needs a clear definition of its future and signing or not signing JT to a long term extension will define what direction this team should go as far as holding on to prospects or trading them imho.
- nyisles7

I think JT is as good as signed. I think it's critical the Isles take advantage of JT's prime years. They have already wasted too many years as it is.

The core of this team is still the same. You still have the same dummy as a GM. I am hoping that Weight changes the system as this system does not work obviously. The Islanders need speed and that is what they are lacking. These other teams are fast and they fly right by us. So to me he gets teh same type of players to replace the old ones so yea it might be different names but it is still the same team
- kasperrko

Yup, and they traded one of their speedy forwards (Grabner) for 5 scrubs. And Grabner scored like 27 goals for the Rags, playing as a bottom six forward. That's more goals than the great Nelson scored.

Sometimes, the best trade is the one you don't make.....

Yup, and they traded one of their speedy forwards (Grabner) for 5 scrubs. And Grabner scored like 27 goals for the Rags, playing as a bottom six forward. That's more goals than the great Nelson scored.

Sometimes, the best trade is the one you don't make.....
- JohnScammo

Just shows that Crappy and GArth had no clue what they were doing., This league has changed into a speed game and the Islanders have not turned that corner yet. They ar stuck in the old era