That's only good IF you actually win the cup. Easier said than done.
- Iggysbff

he's a risk taker and will make moves to try and fill holes. some moves will work, some will not.

personally, with all the talent on your roster i'd rather see that the watch my team go sideways like what that asshat in winnipeg is doing.

Kessel, Lucic, Marchand were already drafted before him. Others were already in the system. Bergeron was there. They had just traded Thornton for a bunch of players. So no. You are wrong again. As usual.
- Iggysbff

https://www.nhl.com/news/...-rise-to-success/c-681274

That's just because arguing with you is boring and you're annoying. Read it and go on about your day.

Since he came into the league in 2010, Hall is 31st among skaters in points, 37th in goals, and 28th in points per game.

If you only go LW he's top 10 in all of those.

That's pretty good.
- BINGO!

I think he's also much higher if you only look at 5v5 - which is what makes Hall so good, a 5v5 monster!

Hall is one of the fastest players in the NHL and his scoring rates for the four years before this one put him in the top three or four in the league. He is also a dominant driver of possession making his defense completely irrelevant.


After McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, I'd say Hall might be the best young player in the NHL - he's still only 24, and could easily finish #2 behind McDavid in the scoring title next year.
- james_tanner1

That is quite a reach.

Bergeron was there, Chara made the choice to go there, Thomas became a hall-of-fame style goalie suddenly after being a career backup.

You could literally fill out the rest of the team with any breathing NHL players and be a Cup Contender with those three.
- james_tanner1

https://www.nhl.com/news/...-rise-to-success/c-681274

and you as well.

I think he's also much higher if you only look at 5v5 - which is what makes Hall so good, a 5v5 monster!
- james_tanner1

He has certainly led the Oilers and Devils to all kinds of success.

That is quite a reach.
- kinigitt

I lol'd for real when I read that.

Bergeron was there, Chara made the choice to go there, Thomas became a hall-of-fame style goalie suddenly after being a career backup.

You could literally fill out the rest of the team with any breathing NHL players and be a Cup Contender with those three.
- james_tanner1

HYPE HYPE HYPE.

No, they woulda stunk without the supporting cast they had. Lots of mortar held those solid gold bricks together.

The majority of the pieces were there when he got there, he just lucked out and had a legit franchise defenseman on the open market the moment he got there.

Peter Chiarelli traded Taylor Hall for a #4 defenseman and signed Lucic to what will quickly become a regrettable contract.

But yeah, he's the GM of the year because prospects he didn't draft took a further step and McDavid was healthy all year.
- BINGO!

I think Larsson Is much better than a "4" and certainly was far more integral to making the oilers defence adequate than you think.
Him amd klefbom were actually a competent top pairing. in the playoffs.

Lucic regrettable ??
23 goals, 50 pts and great on the pp.
Plus a huge part of the fundamental change in the way the oilers play now.
Amd was acquired for his leadership and experience in getting to the dance. Which they achieved and then some.
Say what u will about what might happen in 3-4 years, but to call it regrettable is a fundamental misunderstanding of last season I'd say. Whatever the opposite of regrettable is, at present it's that.

I mean I suppose we should get used to posters espousing "it's all Connor, it's all Connor, you got so lucky getting him!!"
Amd while I know he's undoubtedly the biggest factor in our turnaround, it's a team game and we have other guys who contributed a ton to our success.

I think Larsson Is much better than a "4" and certainly was far more integral to making the oilers defence adequate than you think.
Him amd klefbom were actually a competent top pairing. in the playoffs.

Lucic regrettable ??
23 goals, 50 pts and great on the pp.
Plus a huge part of the fundamental change in the way the oilers play now.
Amd was acquired for his leadership experience in getting to the dance. Which they achieved and then some.

I mean I suppose we should get used to posters espousing "it's all Connor, it's all Connor, you got so lucky getting him!!"
Amd while I know he's undoubtedly the biggest factor in our turnaround, it's a team game and we have other guys who contributed a ton to our success.
- HB77

Nice to see Im not alone on my island of rationality.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...-rise-to-success/c-681274

That's just because arguing with you is boring and you're annoying. Read it and go on about your day.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I guess you really are this stupid.

July 1, 2006 -- Chiarelli technically doesn't start working for the Bruins until July 15,

So check into it. He was not allowed to participate in the draft. Kessel, Lucic, Marchand all drafted before he started working there. Krejci, sobotka, Versteeg, Rask were all in the system.

Suck it bumhole.

he's a risk taker and will make moves to try and fill holes. some moves will work, some will not.

personally, with all the talent on your roster i'd rather see that the watch my team go sideways like what that asshat in winnipeg is doing.
- Tumbleweed

Straight up, they have one of the most talented teams and still fail to obtain a goalie to help them.
And still yet to win a playoff series

I guess you really are this stupid.

July 1, 2006 -- Chiarelli technically doesn't start working for the Bruins until July 15,

So check into it. He was not allowed to participate in the draft. Kessel, Lucic, Marchand all drafted before he started working there. Krejci, sobotka, Versteeg, Rask were all in the system.

Suck it bumhole.
- Iggysbff

and you didn't read the article. Shocking. Would it be easier for you if I found it in audio?

He has certainly led the Oilers and Devils to all kinds of success.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

And what "success" has Larsson lead either team to?

And what "success" has Larsson lead either team to?
- Iggysbff

2nd round of the playoffs in his first year.

And what "success" has Larsson lead either team to?
- Iggysbff

A semblence of a D corps. That's a form of success in Edmonton.

and you didn't read the article. Shocking. Would it be easier for you if I found it in audio?
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Obviously you didn't asshat.

I copied the most important part you are arguing about into my post. He didn't start working there until July 15, 2006. After the draft.

And what "success" has Larsson lead either team to?
- Iggysbff

Larsson is a part of our success.
Not being the driver of it like mcdavid doesn't therefore also mean he had no part

I don't understand why everything is so black and white

Connor and talbot are the backbones of this team.
Leon seems to becoming part of that now as wel

But this shouldn't suggest nuge, lucic, klefbom, Larsson, maroon aren't also key cogs

2nd round of the playoffs in his first year.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

1) that's not success
2) he didn't "lead " anything. Talbot, Drai, Klef, McDavid lead. Larsson was a passenger.

Obviously you didn't asshat.

I copied the most important part you are arguing about into my post. He didn't start working there until July 15, 2006. After the draft.
- Iggysbff

So you're actually just focusing on only that and not all the other moves made until they won the Cup. 5 years later.

Interesting how you say a contender is built over a number of years yet on this subject Chiarelli's success in Boston is defined by one year.

1) that's not success
2) he didn't "lead " anything. Talbot, Drai, Klef, McDavid lead. Larsson was a passenger.
- Iggysbff

For the oilers !!?

That's HUGE success. This season was nothing short of an absolute slam dunk success bro.


Passenger suggests hinderance to me. I won't assume what you meant. But he certainly wasmt a hinderance. He was an important part of our defence

Larsson is a part of our success.
Not being the driver of it like mcdavid doesn't therefore also mean he had no part

I don't understand why everything is so black and white

Connor and talbot are the backbones of this team.
Leon seems to becoming part of that now as wel

But this shouldn't suggest nuge, lucic, klefbom, Larsson, maroon aren't also key cogs
- HB77

Larsson is a good #3 shutdown guy. Zero offense, poor skating, muffin wrister.bad stick mechanics.

He's not what so many oiler fans like tao to make him out to be.

So you're actually just focusing on only that and not all the other moves made until they won the Cup. 5 years later.

Interesting how you say a contender is built over a number of years yet on this subject Chiarelli's success in Boston is defined by one year.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

He made a bunch of moves. But the core was there. And he got very lucky with Chara. Not everyday you get a top 5 NHL dman to sign with you as a UFA.

1) that's not success
2) he didn't "lead " anything. Talbot, Drai, Klef, McDavid lead. Larsson was a passenger.
- Iggysbff

You're right. That double OT where he played 45 minutes. Passenger. 6 pts in the playoffs leading the blueline. Passenger. Leader in TOI. Passenger. 2nd in hits. Passenger. 3rd in blocked shots. Passenger.

Wow was he ever useless. We better hurry up and find someone more well rounded.

Larsson is a good #3 shutdown guy. Zero offense, poor skating, muffin wrister.bad stick mechanics.

He's not what so many oiler fans like two tao to make him out to be.
- Iggysbff

Good shutdown guy.
Can play tough minutes.

No offence, but he can break a forecheck and get the puck out.

He's not a pretty skater, but he's certainly good enough.

I think it became apparent that his lack of offence was rather irrelevant.
Just keep doing what you're doing Adam amd we're happy. At least for me anyways