Hall for Larsson seems to be a good trade for both teams. Edmonton wouldn't have gone as far as they did this season without Larsson on the blue line.

Here are some bad trades..

The Filip Forsberg Trade
WAS receives Erat/Latta
NSH receives Forsberg (Imagine Washington with Forsberg right now)

Florida Trades Luongo
VAN receives Luongo, Krajicek, and 6th Rd Pick
FLA receives Bertuzzi, Auld, and Allen
Note: Bertuzzi only played 7 games for Florida

The Marian Hossa Trade
ATL receives Colby Armstrong, Angelo Espesito, Eric Christensen and a first rd pick (Daultan Leveille)
PIT receives Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis

The Jagr Trade
WAS receives Jagr
PIT receives Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, Ross Lupashek, and cash
Note: PIT only received 13 goals out of the players traded for Jagr

DET Trades Adam Oates
DET receives Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney
STL receives Adam Oates and Paul MacLean

Brett Hull Trade
CAL receives Rob Ramage and Rick Wamsley
STL receives Brett Hull and Steve Bozek

Cam Neely Trade
BOS receives Cam Neely
VAN receives Barry Pederson

The list could go on and on before even nearing the Hall/Larsson trade.

Pierre Dorion deserves his nomination as GM of the year.

It is really bizarre that Guy Boucher was not nominated as coach of the year.
- spatso

The reason Boucher should have been nominated was because of how lousy Dorion is as a GM and how bad their roster is.

I know they're still playing and everything, so everyone thinks they're awesome, but it's basically a total fluke their still in it. Boucher yes, Dorien ahead of Chiarelli, but no one else.

Jump the shark eh?

As a prodigious word-smith, don't you hate it when people use stale expressions?
- kinigitt

Not when they are references to Happy Days.

Hall for Larsson seems to be a good trade for both teams. Edmonton wouldn't have gone as far as they did this season without Larsson on the blue line.

Here are some bad trades..

The Filip Forsberg Trade
WAS receives Erat/Latta
NSH receives Forsberg (Imagine Washington with Forsberg right now)

Florida Trades Luongo
VAN receives Luongo, Krajicek, and 6th Rd Pick
FLA receives Bertuzzi, Auld, and Allen
Note: Bertuzzi only played 7 games for Florida

The Marian Hossa Trade
ATL receives Colby Armstrong, Angelo Espesito, Eric Christensen and a first rd pick (Daultan Leveille)
PIT receives Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis

The Jagr Trade
WAS receives Jagr
PIT receives Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, Ross Lupashek, and cash
Note: PIT only received 13 goals out of the players traded for Jagr

DET Trades Adam Oates
DET receives Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney
STL receives Adam Oates and Paul MacLean

Brett Hull Trade
CAL receives Rob Ramage and Rick Wamsley
STL receives Brett Hull and Steve Bozek

Cam Neely Trade
BOS receives Cam Neely
VAN receives Barry Pederson

The list could go on and on before even nearing the Hall/Larsson trade.
- RedDog18

There are a lot of trades that in hindsight are worse, I'll give you that.

But can you think of a trade that was this stupid on the day it happened? Maybe I should have been more clear, but certainly can't.

Mact actually did alot of the heavy lifting for the organization, and doesn't get any love.
but pc had a vision for the team he thought could be more competitive and he executed it. And its worked thus far. Doubt he shoulda been nominated, but I don't think he's a poor gm by any stretch.

Maroon was a great pickup.

I like the lucic deal thus far. Might be ugly in the last few years, but dude is only 28 still, and this past year the deal was pretty much a homerun considering everything he brought to the table and did. Sure we can predict, but it's gotta be considered a success until it actually no longer is..

Talbot mightve been the most impactful acquisition of the last offseason.

Still don't like the Larsson deal on pure value, but it doesn't look like there was much out there when more information came to light. and he helped solidify our defence significantly. The trade isn't as lopsided as you suggest in terms of the oilers needs. He's a quality defender. And on a beauty contract.

Kassian was a solid piece

He got sekera his first season which gave us another decent top 4 piece along with oscar.

Benning, caggiula both quality college signings

Etc

I dunno, he transformed this team into one that can play many styles and went from 29th to almost beating one of the leagues best. I think he can certainly be accused of paying too high a cost when he wants a certain piece and might be too impetuous to get those deals done. But I also think he really understands what kind of team can win in this league better than many gms do. Just my opinion though.

Of course Connor is by far the biggest reason for it all. Zero argument there. But the team surrounding him built by pc is now a factor going forward. He deserves some credit for that imo
- HB77

Good post man! Although I disagree on the Lucic part...I think you're just lying to yourself on that one.

Chia is getting a bit of a rough time for some reason, probably because he was gifted McDavid. That being said it did change the team completely, and it would be way different without him. But if you look at the body of work outside of the McDavid thing I think the moves are mostly positive.

Worst trade ever - Phil Esposito for the soft crap the Hawks received back

http://thehockeywriters.c...-that-shaped-a-franchise/

Bad trade yes. Worst ever? No.

Chiarelli is a bad gm. Everyone says we'll he won a cup...he was given a pretty good roster and got very lucky on two things. 1) Chara. Basically one of the only UFA signings be to live up to his contract. 2) Tim Thomas went otherworldly in those playoffs.

Chia is a bad gm. Anyone say he turned the oilers around is ignoring the fact that all of the core was there before him.

I do agree that Chiarelli is a below average GM, but the award itself is so stupid. You have to just see the short term moves a GM have done and base the vote on that.

Also, I find it amusing that the blogger who believes He would do a better job as a GM than half the GMs in the league, who also stated "With some creativity, they could trade the Sedins" about Benning, is ripping on a GM who made a halfbad trade when dealing from a position of strength to add to a position of weakness.

If you can enlighten me with some creativity and present a possible trade for the Sedins, then I will eat my hat, take back everything I said and donate $1000 bucks to the City of Glendale.
- Cloud

What pierre mcguire was to coaching is what jimmy tanner would be to general managing.

Good post man! Although I disagree on the Lucic part...I think you're just lying to yourself on that one.

Chia is getting a bit of a rough time for some reason, probably because he was gifted McDavid. That being said it did change the team completely, and it would be way different without him. But if you look at the body of work outside of the McDavid thing I think the moves are mostly positive.
- The-O-G

There is no mystery.

Why would I give him a rough time for getting McDavid?

I might give someone who credits PC for winning when he didn't do anything but make the obvious choice, but even that isn't a reason to criticise him specifically, the just the critics. I also hate the fact that a specialized awards committee can't be trusted to at least think seriously about their choice rather than just pick the guys who's teams moved up the most points year to year.

There is not hatred of Chiarelli on my part. It is completely objective: He surrounds himself with yes-men, doesn't respect analytics, makes bad trades and most of all, made one specific trade that I can't believe anyone can defend.

So we're all just pretending that Chiarelli didn't let the Boston Bruins completely fall apart, eh?

So we're all just pretending that Chiarelli didn't let the Boston Bruins completely fall apart, eh?
- BINGO!

who cares.

cycle of teams in a cap world: suck ---> get good ---> suck again

if you win cup in the get good phase, all is forgiven about the suck again phase.

So we're all just pretending that Chiarelli didn't let the Boston Bruins completely fall apart, eh?
- BINGO!

Chiarelli is that weaselly middle manager who always gets promoted just for being at the right place and the right time.

His reputation is basically built on signing Chara two months into his job in Boston. No doubt an awesome move, but literally every team wanted Chara and he picked Boston. That's about as crafty as drafting McDavid.

He was gifted a roster with Bergeron, Chara and a 56 year old goalie who suddenly became amazing.

Worst trade ever - Phil Esposito for the soft crap the Hawks received back

http://thehockeywriters.c...-that-shaped-a-franchise/
- riozzo

Toronto Trades J.M. Liles for Tim Gleason.

Toronto buys out Tim Gleason, pays $1.3 million per season for 4 years.

Carolina Signs Gleason again for one year, $1.3 million.

Carolina Trades Gleason for Jack Hillen, 4th Round Pick in 2015 (Callum Booth)

Carolina Trades J.M. Liles for Anthony Camara, 3rd Round Pick 2016 (Jack Lafontaine), 5th Round Pick 2017


So...
Toronto Gets 39 Games of Tim Gleason, $1.3 million Cap hit for 4 years.

Carolina Gets 156 games of J.M. Liles, 3 Games of Jack Hillen, 15 AHL games of Anthony Camara, Callum Booth, Jack Lafontaine, 5th round pick 2017

who cares.

cycle of teams in a cap world: suck ---> get good ---> suck again

if you win cup in the get good phase, all is forgiven about the suck again phase.
- Tumbleweed

It doesn't have to be that way, though, if you have the patience to build

Toronto Trades J.M. Liles for Tim Gleason.

Toronto buys out Tim Gleason, pays $1.3 million per season for 4 years.

Carolina Signs Gleason again for one year, $1.3 million.

Carolina Trades Gleason for Jack Hillen, 4th Round Pick in 2015 (Callum Booth)

Carolina Trades J.M. Liles for Anthony Camara, 3rd Round Pick 2016 (Jack Lafontaine), 5th Round Pick 2017


So...
Toronto Gets 39 Games of Tim Gleason, $1.3 million Cap hit for 4 years.

Carolina Gets 156 games of J.M. Liles, 3 Games of Jack Hillen, 15 AHL games of Anthony Camara, Callum Booth, Jack Lafontaine, 5th round pick 2017
- BINGO!

Hey that's awesome.

who cares.

cycle of teams in a cap world: suck ---> get good ---> suck again

if you win cup in the get good phase, all is forgiven about the suck again phase.
- Tumbleweed

There is still a ton of room for an NHL team to always be good by making smart value trades like the one Carolina made for Liles. Teams will over pay big time for guys with certain characteristics and I strongly believe there are real GMs running actual teams that will over pay for block shots, faceoffs, leadership, toughness and size.

Hey that's awesome.
- james_tanner1

It was pretty ugly.

who cares.

cycle of teams in a cap world: suck ---> get good ---> suck again

if you win cup in the get good phase, all is forgiven about the suck again phase.
- Tumbleweed

This

No ones forgetting. Just doesn't matter. They got a ring and were an elite contender for a few years. Players aged, a few mistakes occurred etc and the window closed. Happens

It doesn't have to be that way, though, if you have the patience to build
- BINGO!

cap is designed to have different teams at the top. it's just how long you can stay in the good team phase before you suck again.

poile is the only guy out there that seems to have found a sustainable path to winning without sucking.

It doesn't have to be that way, though, if you have the patience to build
- BINGO!

He did . He built a Stanley cup winner

The problem with the Hall trade is that he traded a player who was a top ten NHL forward (had a bit of an off year this year, but the stats prior to being traded were unreal, and I am sure many of the people who think it's a good trade don't actually realize how good Hall is.

So you trade a Franchise player in exchange an alright D.

It's indefensible. Imagine the Penguins had traded Malkin for Lubiner Visnosky in 2007 that's about the level of trade this was.

A Franchise player on each of the first two lines, and RNH on the 3rd - they'd have been a much better team.
- james_tanner1

He had one really good year, a cluster of pretty good years,was a defensive liability, got hurt all the time and never cracked 30 goals, but yes equate him with Malkin lol and equate shutdown Larsson with offensive specialist Visnovsky.

I watched Hall for years. Every game, and he's not as good as you confusingly keep saying he is and he certainly isn't a (lol) franchise player. What Edmonton gained on the blueline was far more valuable to the team than what they lost.

You were wrong about the trade. You'll always be wrong about the trade. You're also wrong about Chiarelli and you really are starting to approach Cloutier territory. Just stop.

He had one really good year, a cluster of pretty good years,was a defensive liability, got hurt all the time and never cracked 30 goals, but yes equate him with Malkin lol and equate shutdown Larsson with offensive specialist Visnovsky.

I watched Hall for years. Every game, and he's not as good as you confusingly keep saying he is and he certainly isn't a (lol) franchise player. What Edmonton gained on the blueline was far more valuable to the team than what they lost.

You were wrong about the trade. You'll always be wrong about the trade. You're also wrong about Chiarelli and you really are starting to approach Cloutier territory. Just stop.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

old oilers

There are a lot of trades that in hindsight are worse, I'll give you that.

But can you think of a trade that was this stupid on the day it happened? Maybe I should have been more clear, but certainly can't.
- james_tanner1

You can't judge a trade the day it happens you idiot. Trades can't really be judged for years. Surely you can at least understand that.

He did . He built a Stanley cup winner
- HB77

The majority of the pieces were there when he got there, he just lucked out and had a legit franchise defenseman on the open market the moment he got there.

Peter Chiarelli traded Taylor Hall for a #4 defenseman and signed Lucic to what will quickly become a regrettable contract.

But yeah, he's the GM of the year because prospects he didn't draft took a further step and McDavid was healthy all year.

old oilers


- Tumbleweed

In a nutshell yes, and once they stopped that cycle suddenly they're a lot better. According to Tanner the old cycle was better though because reasons.