You are still the best Goddamned poster on Hockeybuzz.
- Larsson_fan

Merci mon frere

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Good to have ya back as well!!

I don't just see this nomination as only considering this year. It is a culmination of the last 2 years.

In that time PC took a team finishing at the bottom of the league to a top 10 team.

He did this by:

Trading for a legitimate starting goalie.

Totally revamping the defense to the point that only Klefbom and Nurse are remaining from the defense from before his tenure.

He has completely retooled the bottom 6 and added integral players to the top 6.

I think he is deserves the nomination as much as the other 2.

JT is just an idiot.
- McSavioursPupil

Good post

I didn't really mean to slag pc or say much about the other nominees one way or another (although I do think poile is the man)

However, I do think it's kind of a silly award and there's an argument that pc maybe shouldn'tve been nominated. But I don't disagree with much of what u said.

Can't say I got the hate on for tanner though. Saw it coming. He's been pretty consistent on this topic, even If i do pretty much wholly disagree with his thoughts on pc. At least his time in edmonton anyway.

Ahhhh Mr Tanner!
God Bless!!

Absolutely hit the nail on the head with this one. And not that your comment needs reassurance, but 103pts season ain't to shabby and to mention the quiet signings of players like Caggiula and Benning with the season they had it's like having extra "ready to play" draft picks. Even if neither one pans out it was still beneficial for the TEAM having those guys this yr and go through a positive season for a change.

As for the award thing and Tanner, like seriously? Gonna break down the award for what it isn't. Sure gms success is based on longer than one season but it is what it is. His same arguments can go for other awards like coach of the year. If a 50 goal scorer is being fed by a superstar is it right that he wins the rocket richard when the guy who gets 48 isn't? Yes it does because the award isn't for the best goal scorer it's for the most. PC isnt the best gm in the league but his moves helped his team this yr, no denying that and rightfully deserves nomination for gm of the YEAR, not 5 or 10 yr.

He won a cup with Boston, and after what, two years? He gets Edmonton a full team, a relevant goaltender, and decent defense... they came within one game of defeating one of the best teams in the league, especially late in the season... contrast this with Washington who lives and dies on Ovie's performance... Edmonton did not live and die on McDavid cuz they had different players playing different hero roles.

He trades Phil Kessel cuz he was acting diva... gets two picks which turn into Dougie Hamilton and Tyler Seguin. Pretty good return if you ask me.

He trades Seguin cuz he turns out to be a bad character (and look at how Dallas has succeeded with him).

He trades Hall because Hall was his most marketable asset that he could actually turn into a return that wouldn't rip him off... gets a first pairing defenseman that actually knows how to play defense (DARES to make the move that his predecessors refused to do because they were too chicken).

NJ was almost in the playoffs with Larsson, a decent goaltender who looked awfully mortal without him, and a bunch of 2nd/3rd/4th liners on their team... this year, they win the draft lottery and were the worst team in the last half of the season, and Hall was doing with them what he was with Edmonton: scoring, but not winning... while with Larsson, among other solid pickups, Edmonton was playing pretty well down the stretch and pretty much just got stronger as a team as the season wore on. Maybe they're overpaying Lucic, but other than that, it's extremely hard to argue with the results. Maybe if that second line did more (all players he inherited)...

You punch the wall, but the wall is barely dented and your fists are getting bloodied.

I mean... are YOU trolling?
- archromat

Absolutely hit the nail on the head with this one. And not that your comment needs reassurance, but 103pts season ain't to shabby and to mention the quiet signings of players like Caggiula and Benning with the season they had it's like having extra "ready to play" draft picks. Even if neither one pans out it was still beneficial for the TEAM having those guys this yr and go through a positive season for a change.

As for the award thing and Tanner, like seriously? Gonna break down the award for what it isn't. Sure gms success is based on longer than one season but it is what it is. His same arguments can go for other awards like coach of the year. If a 50 goal scorer is being fed by a superstar is it right that he wins the rocket richard when the guy who gets 48 isn't? Yes it does because the award isn't for the best goal scorer it's for the most. PC isnt the best gm in the league but his moves helped his team this yr, no denying that and rightfully deserves nomination for gm of the YEAR, not 5 or 10 yr.
- hockey_talk079

Absolutely hit the nail on the head with this one. And not that your comment needs reassurance, but 103pts season ain't to shabby and to mention the quiet signings of players like Caggiula and Benning with the season they had it's like having extra "ready to play" draft picks. Even if neither one pans out it was still beneficial for the TEAM having those guys this yr and go through a positive season for a change.

As for the award thing and Tanner, like seriously? Gonna break down the award for what it isn't. Sure gms success is based on longer than one season but it is what it is. His same arguments can go for other awards like coach of the year. If a 50 goal scorer is being fed by a superstar is it right that he wins the rocket richard when the guy who gets 48 isn't? Yes it does because the award isn't for the best goal scorer it's for the most. PC isnt the best gm in the league but his moves helped his team this yr, no denying that and rightfully deserves nomination for gm of the YEAR, not 5 or 10 yr.
- hockey_talk079

Both caggiula and benning could turn out to be beauties.

Some drawbacks and adjustments needed obviously, but I think there's little doubt both will be at least effective nhl'ers. Already are pretty much. Drake certainly was in the playoffs anyway. Tenacious and talented little fuker.

And in Bennings case especially, with time potentially much more

Alright, Tanner, you're right about one thing. The GM of the Year Award is kind of a joke.

But you're hate of Chiarelli seems pretty unfounded. I'm a Flames fan and I can see what he's done for that team. I mean sure I'll hardly give him credit for drafting McDavid, but he has made some good moves for the Oilers. Talbot was a great trade, and as much as I'm not a fan of the Hall-Larsson trade in terms of pure skill it is certainly a trade that helped Edmonton. Sometimes it's okay to lose a trade if it makes your team better. Lucic turned out to be a good signing (though that contract is going to bite the Oilers in the ass in a couple years) and Russell worked out really well.

I'm not sure I'd give Chiarelli GM of the Year, either, but he certainly isn't a "terrible" GM. He made some good moves.

Ok, he wasn't the best GM. But

1) He made the Maroon trade, who is a great addition to the team. He could be what Kunitz was to Crosby for years. Of course it is great to play with McDavid but the revolving door at Crosby's wing showed that it takes a certain type of player to understand the genius of a player like Crosby or McDavid.

2) Larsson for Hall was bad but for the defense it is not that bad. I dare to say that without this trade this year Edmonton would have had less balance and less points. The problem with the Hall trade is more that Eberle is extremely inconsistent and I don't know what's going on with RNH. So even though they had Hall, McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Eberle and Yakupov at some point their offense might be missing some pieces.

3) Russell signing for 1 year 3M is bad? Ehm no, smart term and decent money to fill a hole on the roster. If they would resign him now, well that would be bad.

But agreed that he shouldn't be nominated.

I do agree that Chiarelli is a below average GM, but the award itself is so stupid. You have to just see the short term moves a GM have done and base the vote on that.

Also, I find it amusing that the blogger who believes He would do a better job as a GM than half the GMs in the league, who also stated "With some creativity, they could trade the Sedins" about Benning, is ripping on a GM who made a halfbad trade when dealing from a position of strength to add to a position of weakness.

If you can enlighten me with some creativity and present a possible trade for the Sedins, then I will eat my hat, take back everything I said and donate $1000 bucks to the City of Glendale.

I do agree that Chiarelli is a below average GM, but the award itself is so stupid. You have to just see the short term moves a GM have done and base the vote on that.

Also, I find it amusing that the blogger who believes He would do a better job as a GM than half the GMs in the league, who also stated "With some creativity, they could trade the Sedins" about Benning, is ripping on a GM who made a halfbad trade when dealing from a position of strength to add to a position of weakness.

If you can enlighten me with some creativity and present a possible trade for the Sedins, then I will eat my hat, take back everything I said and donate $1000 bucks to the City of Glendale.
- Cloud

If the Canes are in a play off spot at TDL Vancouver should try to trade the Sedins to them, 50% retained. The Canes need forwards, have the prospect, and they will have a good shot at the cup with fwd help. A man can dream

If the Canes are in a play off spot at TDL Vancouver should try to trade the Sedins to them, 50% retained. The Canes need forwards, have the prospect, and they will have a good shot at the cup with fwd help. A man can dream
- DutchSenators

Yes, but that comment was for last TDL. What team has cap space, is a contender and can take on not one, but TWO, NMC before the expansiondraft? Just ridiculous.

Pierre Dorion deserves his nomination as GM of the year.

It is really bizarre that Guy Boucher was not nominated as coach of the year.

"look beyond the results"?????

It's a results oriented business and he produced.

Your snowflake is showing Tanner. "but but, I MEANT to get an A on the test...I...I...I just didn't feel like studying".

Missed the mark on this one bud.

Best Tanner blog ever

Yes, but that comment was for last TDL. What team has cap space, is a contender and can take on not one, but TWO, NMC before the expansiondraft? Just ridiculous.
- Cloud

Ah ok, yes, that's not the best comment I've seen

Jump the shark eh?

As a prodigious word-smith, don't you hate it when people use stale expressions?

You're becoming Cloutier and you don't even realize it.

Come on James...there were many many more trades in the NHL's history worse than Hall for Larsson.
- Larsson_fan

I nominate the Patrick Roy trade as being way, way worse than this.

I nominate the Patrick Roy trade as being way, way worse than this.
- Scabeh

And any trade that involved Gretzky.

Larson for Hall was not that bad of a trade. The Devils were lit up this year without Larson and Hall did not make up the gap. Larson solidified the Oilers too pairing and made them hard to play against. It is not even close to the worst trade in NHL history. That honour goes to the Caps for trading Philip Forsburg for Martin Erat. Chuarelli added muscle throughout the lineup with Lucic, Kassian, and Marroon all making marks on the Oilers season. Without these hard choices the Oilers probably don't make the playoffs. I never liked the guy but Chiarelli turned a hot mess in Edmonton into one of the real up and coming teams.

Worst trade in NHL history, nope sorry not even close. Luongo and Olli Jokinen for Parrish and Kvasha, nobody can ever touch that one.

I nominate the Patrick Roy trade as being way, way worse than this.
- Scabeh

Ladies and gentlemen,... I give you Scott Gomez for Ryan McDonagh!!

And thank you again to Mr. Gainey. I still giggle thinking about that one.

And for the record, Tanner is a tool of a broken record who likely will never try and understand that if you address your teams needs and improve your TEAM's chances of winning, it is ok to move out a very talented player. Unless your job as GM is to try and amass individual awards for your players.

I nominate Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat (and Latta).

Peter C has done a good job. I don't know how you can't see that Jimmy. You're obsessed with Hall. I know i will get criticism for this but the Hall Larrson trade was a good one. Every one acts like Hall has scored 40 goals for five years. He has never scored more than 27 . Yes he has been injured a lot . The team went from 29th to one win from final four. I think he knew to build around Mcdavid obviously and that he wanted size and toughness ✔
improve defence✔
add depth players✔
I know having Mcdavid healthy was the biggest factor this year of coarse, but I believe they had a losing record when he was in the line up last year.

Ok, he wasn't the best GM. But

1) He made the Maroon trade, who is a great addition to the team. He could be what Kunitz was to Crosby for years. Of course it is great to play with McDavid but the revolving door at Crosby's wing showed that it takes a certain type of player to understand the genius of a player like Crosby or McDavid.

2) Larsson for Hall was bad but for the defense it is not that bad. I dare to say that without this trade this year Edmonton would have had less balance and less points. The problem with the Hall trade is more that Eberle is extremely inconsistent and I don't know what's going on with RNH. So even though they had Hall, McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Eberle and Yakupov at some point their offense might be missing some pieces.

3) Russell signing for 1 year 3M is bad? Ehm no, smart term and decent money to fill a hole on the roster. If they would resign him now, well that would be bad.

But agreed that he shouldn't be nominated.
- DutchSenators

The problem with the Hall trade is that he traded a player who was a top ten NHL forward (had a bit of an off year this year, but the stats prior to being traded were unreal, and I am sure many of the people who think it's a good trade don't actually realize how good Hall is.

So you trade a Franchise player in exchange an alright D.

It's indefensible. Imagine the Penguins had traded Malkin for Lubiner Visnosky in 2007 that's about the level of trade this was.

A Franchise player on each of the first two lines, and RNH on the 3rd - they'd have been a much better team.