That's fine, I agree he got screwed by the NTC's, but having 4 drafts, including top 6 picks in 3 of them should allow you to build a decent future core that should be starting to make an impact by your 4th/5th years as GM. At some point, the excuses have to stop just based on the fact that he's had a good amount of time to make the roster his own.

He still got back a 1st + Bonino from Kesler. Got a 2nd for Bieksa after a terrible year by him. Got decent returns for Hansen/Burrows so it's not as bad as people make it out to be. He's had decent cap space and assets to work with.

How many Gillis contracts will still be on the team after the Sedins are gone? Elmer signed Tanev and Edler will only have 1 more year left. And I'll laugh at anyone who argues in 2018/2019 that Edler alone is holding back the team if Elmer is still around for that.
- Nucker101

He's had three drafts, 2014-2016. pick 6/24, 23 and 5. got back a 1st, a 3rd, bonino and Sbisa for Kesler (great value considering). Be accurate if you're going to harp on the guy.

The year Daniel was injured Hank won the Hart and scored 29 goals . Maybe a good coach would have kept them split up so they were not always looking for each other.
- VANTEL

Ridiculous, you continually harp that they're not scoring goals when it's a known fact that Henrik has never been a goal scorer. One year, a career year, he scores 29 goals, that doesn't make him a goal scorer.

His next best year in his career is 22, 19 after that.

He's had three drafts, 2014-2016. pick 6/24, 23 and 5. got back a 1st, a 3rd, bonino and Sbisa for Kesler (great value considering). Be accurate if you're going to harp on the guy.
- neem55

I'm counting the upcoming one, he's not getting fired within the next 40 days. I'm not harping on him for the trades right now lol, I'm suggesting that his fingerprints are all over this organization after his 4th summer with this team coming up right now.

your speaking logic. No one likes that.
- SRam19

- Nucker101

I do

I'm counting the upcoming one, he's not getting fired within the next 40 days.
- Nucker101

Alright, that's fair. I think after this one he will have a lot of the components that will fuel the team (much like Burke, it takes about 4 or 5 drafts to get all the pieces and you're going to miss some picks as every gm does). He'll probably get fired(much like Burke) and then all the guys he drafted will be the nucleus of the team for the next ten years, with the exception of BO. The guy was brought in to draft and develop. It's way too early to know what we have with his picks, but I like a lot of what he's done. The team is just rebuilding, it takes time. Next years lineup will be almost all JB players, with Boeser and possibly OJ coming in. But it will still be very young and developing. Demko is still in the AHL. Seems like you want to diss the guy even though in many ways he has set us up for future success. The imperative of retooling, I'm fairly sure, did not come from JB. Pretty sure he's just the guy doing the job the owner asked. I hope you give just as much hate to Hextall over in Flyerville. Are you just as impatient with him? Seems like they have been rebuilding a lot longer, and haven't improved much under his tenure (although I love Provorov).

I wake up everyday feeling good knowing that it's one day closer to Elmer getting fired and hopefully Linden too
- Nucker101

The question we've all been dying to hear the answer to is this.
Are you still upset that GMMG got fired? To fire up the old anger train on a non Sutter related subject.

Alright, that's fair. I think after this one he will have a lot of the components that will fuel the team (much like Burke, it takes about 4 or 5 drafts to get all the pieces and you're going to miss some picks as every gm does). He'll probably get fired(much like Burke) and then all the guys he drafted will be the nucleus of the team for the next ten years, with the exception of BO. The guy was brought in to draft and develop. It's way too early to know what we have with his picks, but I like a lot of what he's done. The team is just rebuilding, it takes time. Next years lineup will be almost all JB players, with Boeser and possibly OJ coming in. But it will still be very young and developing. Demko is still in the AHL. Seems like you want to diss the guy even though in many ways he has set us up for future success. The imperative of retooling, I'm fairly sure, did not come from JB. Pretty sure he's just the guy doing the job the owner asked.
- neem55

TBD

Even though I don't agree with the re-tool method, I could get on board with it if I liked the way it was done, but I found myself shaking my head at a lot of his moves.

That's fine, I agree he got screwed by the NTC's, but having 4 drafts, including top 6 picks in 3 of them should allow you to build a decent future core that should be starting to make an impact by your 4th/5th years as GM. At some point, the excuses have to stop just based on the fact that he's had a good amount of time to make the roster his own.

He still got back a 1st + Bonino from Kesler. Got a 2nd for Bieksa after a terrible year by him. Got decent returns for Hansen/Burrows so it's not as bad as people make it out to be. He's had decent cap space and assets to work with.

How many Gillis contracts will still be on the team after the Sedins are gone? Elmer signed Tanev and Edler will only have 1 more year left. And I'll laugh at anyone who argues in 2018/2019 that Edler alone is holding back the team if Elmer is still around for that.
- Nucker101

Luongo.... that is the MG contract that's going to (frank) is in the donkey one day after he retires....

The question we've all been dying to hear the answer to is this.
Are you still upset that GMMG got fired? To fire up the old anger train on a non Sutter related subject.
- Pres.cup

Not really, after he was fired I was on board with hiring a GM who had better scouting skills as long as he had a right hand man to work with that could keep him in line with managing the cap, asset management, contracts, etc. I was also a big fan of hiring David McNab, the old man scouting guru from the Ducks who was born in B.C. And keeping Gilman around to handle contracts.

Luongo.... that is the MG contract that's going to (frank) is in the donkey one day after he retires....
- Pres.cup

Probably. NHL (frank)ed over a few teams by changing up the CBA.

TBD

Even though I don't agree with the re-tool method, I could get on board with it if I liked the way it was done, but I found myself shaking my head at a lot of his moves.
- Nucker101

I feel like most of those you didn't like are bringing in older guys though, no? rebuild=go young, retool=bring in guys of all ages.

If it wasn't a re-tool, we would not have Miller, dorsett or Eriksson. Arguably he wouldn't have gone out looking for Sutter either. Out of those 4, Miller was the only good player, followed by Sutter (who hasn't been amazing, but the other two make him look like a stud shutdown player).

I'm counting the upcoming one, he's not getting fired within the next 40 days. I'm not harping on him for the trades right now lol, I'm suggesting that his fingerprints are all over this organization after his 4th summer with this team coming up right now.
- Nucker101

I'll give him this, he was saddled with an aged lineup and those damn movement clauses when he got to Vancouver. His greatest downfall is wasting the first three years of his tenure trying to compete instead of rebuilding.

In my humble opinion it takes some time to develop the kids you've drafted, unless you pick really really well, which he didn't do his first year, and it's hurt the organization.

To me it takes three to four years to see what you've got in a draft pick. Unless you're picking first overall of course.

I'll give him this, he was saddled with an aged lineup and those damn movement clauses when he got to Vancouver. His greatest downfall is wasting the first three years of his tenure trying to compete instead of rebuilding.

In my humble opinion it takes some time to develop the kids you've drafted, unless you pick really really well, which he didn't do his first year, and it's hurt the organization.

To me it takes three to four years to see what you've got in a draft pick. Unless you're picking first overall of course.
- LeftCoaster

Don't those 2 statements slightly contradict each other? By your 3/4 year rule, we should reserve judgement on JV until the end of next season

I feel like most of those you didn't like are bringing in older guys though, no? rebuild=go young, retool=bring in guys of all ages.

If it wasn't a re-tool, we would not have Miller, dorsett or Eriksson. Arguably he wouldn't have gone out looking for Sutter either. Out of those 4, Miller was the only good player, followed by Sutter (who hasn't been amazing, but the other two make him look like a stud shutdown player).
- neem55

I don't like overpaying...especially when the team isn't contending. I'm talking about contracts and trades. The reason why the team was/is such a mess is the lack of assets with real value that other teams covet. So to me the goal is to maximize cap space/assets as much as possible(squeeze very bit of juice out of the lemon) to build back up a pool of younger/valuable/coveted assets. I flat out didn't see the logic behind a lot of moves he's made and don't think Benning's made the best use of the cap space and assets that he's had to work with.

It's just an opinion.

I'll give him this, he was saddled with an aged lineup and those damn movement clauses when he got to Vancouver. His greatest downfall is wasting the first three years of his tenure trying to compete instead of rebuilding.

In my humble opinion it takes some time to develop the kids you've drafted, unless you pick really really well, which he didn't do his first year, and it's hurt the organization.

To me it takes three to four years to see what you've got in a draft pick. Unless you're picking first overall of course.
- LeftCoaster

Yeah, I'll admit it was a tough position. But outside of Hamhuis, none of the Gillis NTC's have screwed him over to the point where a guy just walked for nothing.

To really dumb down my argument, basically I think Benning made a tough job even tougher on himself with some of the easily avoidable things he did.

I'll give him this, he was saddled with an aged lineup and those damn movement clauses when he got to Vancouver. His greatest downfall is wasting the first three years of his tenure trying to compete instead of rebuilding.

In my humble opinion it takes some time to develop the kids you've drafted, unless you pick really really well, which he didn't do his first year, and it's hurt the organization.

To me it takes three to four years to see what you've got in a draft pick. Unless you're picking first overall of course.
- LeftCoaster

We should have been tanking when it was more favorable. New rules ruined it.

How did we get the number 41 for top line goal production? Is that Sedins plus, Boeser, 30% Granlund, 30% Sutter and 15% of Eriksson's goal totals or something?

Is this a real number or just something Vantel threw out there?

How did we get the number 41 for top line goal production? Is that Sedins plus, Boeser, 30% Granlund, 30% Sutter and 15% of Eriksson's goal totals or something?

Is this a real number or just something Vantel threw out there?
- belcherbd

I do
- LeftCoaster

Killjoy

Don't those 2 statements slightly contradict each other? By your 3/4 year rule, we should reserve judgement on JV until the end of next season
- NorthNuck

I don't think so? Jake is still young and may turnout to be a good NHL'er, yet to be determined. Were there other kids taken behind him that were better, ya for sure, doesn't mean he's a complete write-off.

Killjoy
- Pres.cup

It's hard to troll the winning side baby

I don't think so? Jake is still young and may turnout to be a good NHL'er, yet to be determined. Were there other kids taken behind him that were better, ya for sure, doesn't mean he's a complete write-off.
- LeftCoaster

Sorry I think I misread, you said he didn't draft extremely well, and I took that to mean you were saying he drafted poorly followed by "we shouldn't judge until at least 3/4 years later

Not really, after he was fired I was on board with hiring a GM who had better scouting skills as long as he had a right hand man to work with that could keep him in line with managing the cap, asset management, contracts, etc. I was also a big fan of hiring David McNab, the old man scouting guru from the Ducks who was born in B.C. And keeping Gilman around to handle contracts.
- Nucker101

I agree with the Gilman remark and the nhl screwing is on the Lou contract. Can you believe we could get hot with any 8m recapture penalty... Such bs

I don't like overpaying...especially when the team isn't contending. I'm talking about contracts and trades. The reason why the team was/is such a mess is the lack of assets with real value that other teams covet. So to me the goal is to maximize cap space/assets as much as possible(squeeze very bit of juice out of the lemon) to build back up a pool of younger/valuable/coveted assets. I flat out didn't see the logic behind a lot of moves he's made and don't think Benning's made the best use of the cap space and assets that he's had to work with.

It's just an opinion.
- Nucker101

I think Benning reached a lot on most of his moves.