He has scored 40 points . I guess that extra assist takes him from the gallows of hell to hockey stardom.

He has also scored 21 twice in his career.

He was Canucks third highest in goals and tied for 5? in scoring . Meanwhile we spent 20 mil on three top line Swedes to produce 41 goals.

Lets blame the third liner.
- VANTEL

1C
Horvat
Gaudette
Who cares

I don't think we need 2 Cs better than Bo

He's hardly "the" problem, he is however part of the problem.
- LeftCoaster

The style they play is the main problem. Predictable soft perimeter hockey. They have a bunch of pussies that cycle the puck.

Get him better wingers than Chaput Biega Megna and Skille and he might just reach 41.

There are so many things wrong with this team including the managers and leadership I don't know where to begin.

He's not a terrible player, soft as butter though, it's just the whole overpayment and stupid comments from Benning. As a proper third line center making 3 million he'd be of excellent value, instead, Benning called him "foundational" and they thrust him into a second line role and gave him a long contract making way too much money.

The optics are poor and Benning again seemingly has poor talent evaluation giving a guy like him money and a role he's not good enough for.
- LeftCoaster

My confusion about his stats has nothing to do with his contract or the optics of that.
He was playing as a 3rd liner behind Crosby and Malkin, and still had poor possession numbers. He gets poor possession numbers and drags everyone else's down no matter where he goes. Perhaps soft is a reason, but positionally he seems to be in the right places to prevent being on the wrong side of shot differential every night

My confusion about his stats has nothing to do with his contract or the optics of that. He was playing as a 3rd liner behind Crosby and Malkin, and still had poor possession numbers. He gets poor possession numbers and drags everyone else's down no matter where he goes. Perhaps soft is a reason, but positionally he seems to be in the right places to prevent being on the wrong side of shot differential every night
- WhiteLie

So he drove down waiver pick ups and players that other teams did not want and he is the problem

Do you remember getting on Bonino for the exact same thing two years ago?

My confusion about his stats has nothing to do with his contract or the optics of that.
He was playing as a 3rd liner behind Crosby and Malkin, and still had poor possession numbers. He gets poor possession numbers and drags everyone else's down no matter where he goes. Perhaps soft is a reason, but positionally he seems to be in the right places to prevent being on the wrong side of shot differential every night
- WhiteLie

there's a reason Pittsburgh didn't want to hand him the Large contract he wanted, they usually don't shy away from paying players when they are due. Sutter is a Roleplayer in the Top 6 AT BEST, to think he could be the playmaker and main part of our 2nd line was just nonsense. I hope they play him 3rd line minutes, and he excels at that and his contract will start to look better (3rd line enters can definitely contribute and Sutter has proven he can score goals in that role), I just hate how they are trying to put makeup on a pig, just because his name is Sutter.

Matt Sekeres just asked a question "Has Kesler always been this dirty" ?

No he hasn't . He was a diver and an instigator but he was never that brave here. He had no one to back him up here. It is a lot easier to be brave when you have Getzlaf Perry and Bol Despres than Sedins Raymond Edler and Dorsett.

The style they play is the main problem. Predictable soft perimeter hockey. They have a bunch of pussies that cycle the puck.

Get him better wingers than Chaput Biega Megna and Skille and he might just reach 41.

There are so many things wrong with this team including the managers and leadership I don't know where to begin.
- VANTEL

Exactly....that's why I said he's hardly "the" problem on the Canucks, things run much deeper than Brandon Sutter.

Benning compounds those problems by giving him too much money for too long though, it's not his fault for accepting, I would have too. It's Bennings fault for not having the foresight he needed when signing the guy.

So he drove down waiver pick ups and players that other teams did not want and he is the problem

Do you remember getting on Bonino for the exact same thing two years ago?
- VANTEL

Well, he actually drove down every single player he played with, except for Biega and Megna

My confusion about his stats has nothing to do with his contract or the optics of that.
He was playing as a 3rd liner behind Crosby and Malkin, and still had poor possession numbers. He gets poor possession numbers and drags everyone else's down no matter where he goes. Perhaps soft is a reason, but positionally he seems to be in the right places to prevent being on the wrong side of shot differential every night
- WhiteLie

People always said "he's gonna be better, he's never had the chance to be a number two center"....I called BS. He is what he is, as those people are finding out.

Well, he actually drove down every single player he played with, except for Biega and Megna
- NorthNuck

So he drove down crappy players to a new level of crap?

How did Loui do with the twins this year ,I forget.

Your top paid three forwards combined for 41 goals. No reason to look any further where the problem lies.

Exactly....that's why I said he's hard "the" problem on the Canucks, things run much deeper than Brandon Sutter.

Benning compounds those problems by giving him too much money for too long though, it's not his fault for accepting, I would have too. It's Bennings fault for not having the foresight he needed when signing the guy.
- LeftCoaster

Much much deeper.

He's hardly "the" problem, he is however part of the problem, going forward at least.
- LeftCoaster

There is a laundry list of players with worst contracts then Sutter. He's not that bad , not that good either, but at least he's no Brown or bieksa..... hell lets wait 5 years and then we can start talking about Toews and Kane with their 10 million dollar contracts.....

It's why I don't care that the twins make 7 million per. Over their career they've been underpaid and unappreciated, let them play out their contracts with dignity, sign them to one year deals at 3 million each, and we'll have a decent 3rd line.

Right Vantel? You agree with all that?

People always said "he's gonna be better, he's never had the chance to be a number two center"....I called BS. He is what he is, as those people are finding out.
- LeftCoaster

He is a third line center . Give him good wingers and he is still a third line center, the only difference is he will have more points .

My confusion about his stats has nothing to do with his contract or the optics of that.
He was playing as a 3rd liner behind Crosby and Malkin, and still had poor possession numbers. He gets poor possession numbers and drags everyone else's down no matter where he goes. Perhaps soft is a reason, but positionally he seems to be in the right places to prevent being on the wrong side of shot differential every night
- WhiteLie

No he just sucks

So he drove down crappy players to a new level of crap?

How did Loui do with the twins this year ,I forget.

Your top paid three forwards combined for 41 goals. No reason to look any further where the problem lies.
- VANTEL

I'm saying he drove down the twins, Granlund, Eriksson, Hansen, Burrows, Goldobin, Boucher, Tryamkin, Gudbranson, Edler, Tanev, Hutton

As well as players like Larsen, Skille, Chaput, Crammarosa

So it would seem whether he has good or crappy teammates on the ice makes no difference, the fact that he drags everyone down universally is somewhat troubling

So he drove down waiver pick ups and players that other teams did not want and he is the problem

Do you remember getting on Bonino for the exact same thing two years ago?
- VANTEL

Can we not evaluate an individual player without talking about his contract or crying over the state of the entire team? His possession metrics are barely different than when he was with Pittsburgh, a much better and deeper team where he had sheltered opportunities.

I am not saying hes a problem, just asking a question to discuss why he's statistically awful despite having a decent skillset of speed and shot; instead of regurgitating topics of whining over scraps, waiver pick ups, we have deep problems, draft rankings, fake trade proposals, is Jim dim?, or how great the lineup will be in 2022

No he just sucks
- classic321

No he doesnt.

The problem is his hilariously gigantic set of balls. They terrify everyone he plays with into making mistakes. They make his teammates nervous, they're so large. He is one man that perhaps should tale some roids to shrink his balls down a bit.... then his teammates wouldn't be dragged down by those big dangling bits.

Can we not evaluate an individual player without talking about his contract or crying over the state of the entire team? His possession metrics are barely different than when he was with Pittsburgh, a much better and deeper team where he had sheltered opportunities.

I am not saying hes a problem, just asking a question to discuss why he's statistically awful, instead of regurgitating topics of whining over scraps, waiver pick ups, we have deep problems, draft rankings, fake trade proposals, is Jim dim?, or how great the lineup will be in 2022
- WhiteLie

Everyone starts with sheltered opportunities. He doesn't need sheltered opportunities anymore . He sheltered the twins for most of the year.

Put him with offensive minded players and see what he does. Put him with Goldobin and maybe Dorsett who will go to the net.

Can we not evaluate an individual player without talking about his contract or crying over the state of the entire team? His possession metrics are barely different than when he was with Pittsburgh, a much better and deeper team where he had sheltered opportunities.

I am not saying hes a problem, just asking a question to discuss why he's statistically awful despite having a decent skillset of speed and shot; instead of regurgitating topics of whining over scraps, waiver pick ups, we have deep problems, draft rankings, fake trade proposals, is Jim dim?, or how great the lineup will be in 2022
- WhiteLie

It is wierd how bad he is statistically. He passes the eye test, looks good and in the right spots at the right time. Has speed to burn and a wicked wrister. The exception that makes the rule perhaps?

Edit: 2022 roster is so all star its unreal.

He is a third line center . Give him good wingers and he is still a third line center, the only difference is he will have more points .
- VANTEL

He's a ok third line center, I have no issues there. I really don't have issues with his point totals either, they're fine for a third line guy, even if he's playing second line minutes.

It's his contract that bugs me the most, it's not hurting the team right now but it might in the near future if they manage to get better sooner than later.

It'll probably be fine because I don't see Benning turning this thing around quickly.

He's a ok third line center, I have no issues there. I really don't have issues with his point totals either, they're fine for a third line guy, even if he's playing second line minutes.

It's his contract that bugs me the most, it's not hurting the team right now but it might in the near future if they manage to get better sooner than later.

It'll probably be fine because I don't see Benning turning this thing around quickly.
- LeftCoaster

He played 3rd line minutes last year..... bye the by

He's a ok third line center, I have no issues there. I really don't have issues with his point totals either, they're fine for a third line guy, even if he's playing second line minutes.

It's his contract that bugs me the most, it's not hurting the team right now but it might in the near future if they manage to get better sooner than later.

It'll probably be fine because I don't see Benning turning this thing around quickly.
- LeftCoaster

I think the focus switches to Benning this year. He is now stuck in a hard place . He got rid of his coach so the attention is on him now.

Linden said we are now in a rebuild lets see if Benning has Sutter sized balls to see it through.

Fans will understand a tear down and applauded him at TDL for his moves. He needs to continue.

Edler should be moved this year . Lets see if Jim can convince him.

lol

BTW - picked up the CRV Saturday. I must say, I am super impressed Thanks again for all your tips!
- Codes1087

What year? With the Turbo? I've been humming and hawing about getting an SUV for at least a year but since lots made upgrades and changes this year, I haven't bothered to get one yet.

He played 3rd line minutes last year..... bye the by
- Pres.cup

He didn't actually, he had the second most TOI, and averaged the second most minutes per game.....for forwards of course.

http://www.hockey-referen...e.com/teams/VAN/2017.html

He played 3rd line minutes last year..... bye the by
- Pres.cup

He was 4th on the team in minutes per game among forwards(excluding PK mins)


The Canucks roster flat out sucks but I'd at least like to see guys like Horvat/Baerstchi get more minutes than him at ES + PP.