if u offer sheet a 1C you're likely giving up multiple 1st rd picks. Not ideal. Especially for this team.
- storm88

Depends where we're at in the build and who we're targeting with that offer sheet. I'm not a big fan of offer sheets, but there are certain scenarios where anything can make sense.

not come playoff time.
if u were capitals gm, would u trade ovie to LV for just this years 1st rd pick?

is 9.5 mill off the books more important than getting a better return?

edit:

i know there is a NMC NTC. just a question of would u if u could?
- storm88

13 points in 13 games.


I guess I would do that, mainly because I just hate the idea of paying 9.5M to a guy who isn't a 1st liner at 5v5. Relying on referees to call penalties in the playoffs to score goals can lead to disaster.

It's tough though, because your PP would take a massive hit and this isn't an amazing draft class.

he's seemingly building this team backwards. Paying a premium for role players by using cap space/assets and now focusing on keeping/adding picks/prospects. It should've been done the other way around, both priority and time-wise.
- Nucker101

I think he's learning on the fly but he's still a frustrating guy to be in charge from a fans perspective, or at least my perspective, because he's not following any path I'd consider a plan. He's all over the map.

Some days I think he gets it and other I'm like

I think he's learning on the fly but he's still a frustrating guy to be in charge from a fans perspective, or at least my perspective, because he's not following any path I'd consider a plan. He's all over the map.

Some days I think he gets it and other I'm like
- LeftCoaster

Agreed.

We call that the Horvat syndrome.
- VANTEL

Thanks Gillis
- VANTEL

Wow…Gillis...

13 points in 13 games.


I guess I would do that, mainly because I just hate the idea of paying 9.5M to a guy who isn't a 1st liner at 5v5. Relying on referees to call penalties in the playoffs to score goals can lead to disaster.

It's tough though, because your PP would take a massive hit and this isn't an amazing draft class.
- Nucker101

oops i heard some schmuck say his ppg wasn't good. my bad for not doing my homework. self flagged.

Wow…Gillis...
- LordHumungous

only 5 more years left for roberto!

It's not that there aren't individual thoughts, it's that you're mercilessly mocked for thinking independently. Yesterday, at the end of the day, you were mature and posted that you see my point, and the Doc's point, you just see it differently, and that's great. You weren't your usual dismissive self...that was positive.

A good discussion doesn't have to always and forever turn into a poop chucking contest.

Edit: and I'm now as guilty as everyone else.
- LeftCoaster

Yup...

I think he's learning on the fly but he's still a frustrating guy to be in charge from a fans perspective, or at least my perspective, because he's not following any path I'd consider a plan. He's all over the map.

Some days I think he gets it and other I'm like
- LeftCoaster

The development of a team ebbs and flows. Nothing is black and white. There are many complicated factors that drive decisions. The fact is simple. As fans we don't have all the information as to why, when and what. Plus what you see as posssible isn't necessarily realistic or available as an option. If players perform and work out everyone is happy. How that happens is not so cut and dry.

It used to be possible to share new ideas/philosophies/paradigms on this site & spark a productive think tank.
- DrChristianTroy

It still is, you just need to converse with those that you can have intelligent conversations with, and to ignore the snarky sarcastic jabs.

Also I think you picked the one individual that many here think is as a savoir, Horvat is one of...err check that, the only bright spot on the canucks roster. I have not been a fan of their prospects, and I have also articulated that here only to receive the same response...there are quite a few Pom Pom wavers in this crowd.

I understand what you are trying to convey, I also think that your vision of building a championship team will be very difficult in today's NHL. To have Horvat as an elite 3C, that means there will be 2 much better than him at 1 and 2. And then high quality wings will be required, and solid D, and Stecher, Hutton, Gudbranson aren't it. How will that play out cap wise? And there will be so many other extenuating circumstances that would have to align to get to your vision.

But kudos for having the courage to post something that isn't Sedins, Sutter, or Tanev..

not come playoff time.
if u were capitals gm, would u trade ovie to LV for just this years 1st rd pick?

is 9.5 mill off the books more important than getting a better return?

edit:

i know there is a NMC NTC. just a question of would u if u could?
- storm88

He lead their team in both scoring and goals. Holtby had the lowest save percentage of any of the remaining eight teams, huge reason they lost IMO.

It still is, you just need to converse with those that you can have intelligent conversations with, and to ignore the snarky sarcastic jabs.

Also I think you picked the one individual that many here think is as a savoir, Horvat is one of...err check that, the only bright spot on the canucks roster. I have not been a fan of their prospects, and I have also articulated that here only to receive the same response...there are quite a few Pom Pom wavers in this crowd.

I understand what you are trying to convey, I also think that your vision of building a championship team will be very difficult in today's NHL. To have Horvat as an elite 3C, that means there will be 2 much better than him at 1 and 2. And then high quality wings will be required, and solid D, and Stecher, Hutton, Gudbranson aren't it. How will that play out cap wise? And there will be so many other extenuating circumstances that would have to align to get to your vision.

But kudos for having the courage to post something that isn't Sedins, Sutter, or Tanev..
- Makita

God damn, your posts have been on point lately

he's seemingly building this team backwards. Paying a premium for role players by using cap space/assets and now focusing on keeping/adding picks/prospects. It should've been done the other way around, both priority and time-wise.
- Nucker101

He's not building the team backwards. He's playing catch up because MG left him with nothing. Van had just about no one from the 20-27 range. Except for Tanev. Literally Kassian was the only other player. No team is going to win with 15 - 20 year old kids.

It's morphed into a fanboy club where independent thought is not encouraged or tolerated. Conform or you're an outsider. Probably a lot of NDP voters here lol. When Nucker was shunned into another thread, even though he's still an avid Canucks fan, I changed....and not for the better!
- LeftCoaster

Interesting, am I a conformist? Not that I voted NDP, but that correlation escapes me.

God damn, your posts have been on point lately
- Nucker101

Aw shucks, but Golfing has been coaching me lately...credit where credit is do...

Interesting, am I a conformist? Not that I voted NDP, but that correlation escapes me.
- Makita

You're definitely an independent thinker (I would bet large sums of money you voted Green lol)

He's not building the team backwards. He's playing catch up because MG left him with nothing. Van had just about no one from the 20-27 range. Except for Tanev. Literally Kassian was the only other player. No team is going to win with 15 - 20 year old kids.
- manvanfan

Expand on this please. I agree that he came into a horrible situation, but to me by paying a premium for guys like Sutter/Gudbranson/Sbisa/Eriksson combined with the fact that he tried to rebuild while competing, he just made the job harder for himself.

I'm not advocating for a team full of 20 year olds, I just think he could have added veteran depth more efficiently.

Hopefully he's been humbled(shoutout Kendrick) by his mistakes and learned his lessons. Stockpile picks, draft and develop and worry less about having a 3rd line center and #4 dman.

I think he's learning on the fly but he's still a frustrating guy to be in charge from a fans perspective, or at least my perspective, because he's not following any path I'd consider a plan. He's all over the map.

Some days I think he gets it and other I'm like
- LeftCoaster

Do you mean because he isn't just sitting on his hands and waiting? He's addressing needs now instead of hoping and praying that oh maybe a guy I draft will turn out to be that player.

It took the Oilers how many years before they were like "hey, we need a defensemen and a goalie." By that time the NHL gifted them McJesus.

Toronto didn't say "oh we will wait till one of our drafted goalies pans out then we will win hockey games"

Both of these teams finished last for almost 10 years. Neither maybe any trades they just accepted sucking and sucking.

Oilers trade for a goalie and a defensemen and signed some free agents.

Toronto traded for a goalie. Signed some free agents. Even now talk is Toronto want a top 4 D. They aren't just sitting around waiting for a drafted player to turn out.

You're definitely an independent thinker (I would bet large sums of money you voted Green lol)
- LeftCoaster

Liberals - Corrupt
NDP - Crazy idea peoples
Green - Hippies

Didn't vote

Liberals - Corrupt
NDP - Crazy idea peoples
Green - Hippies

Didn't vote
- pker2theend

He's not building the team backwards. He's playing catch up because MG left him with nothing. Van had just about no one from the 20-27 range. Except for Tanev. Literally Kassian was the only other player. No team is going to win with 15 - 20 year old kids.
- manvanfan

I don't think he's playing catch-up, personally, he's continually tried to win since he got to Vancouver. He signed a 30 something year old guy to a 36 million dollar contract less than a year ago.

I think he had a perfect opportunity to rebuild three years ago and he chose not to, or the owner wouldn't let him, to that we'll never know.

Draft Glass this year. Draft a better D next year, In three years Glass can will be ready.
- VANTEL

Mittelstadt if we want a very skilled playmaker.
Glass if we want a more developed all around game.
My prediction is both will lan out as top 2 C's but Casey has more potential.
A C like Pettersen also is a possible offensive stud in the coming years.
BPA now is not BPA in a few years more often than not excluding generational players. Safe picks r just that but i like foresight & projecting down the road what an 18yr old is more likely to be. That is most difficukt if course but every draft is rife with players picked further down who end up being better than the so-called BPA at Entry draft time. Hitting a home run is key & its anyone's guess who that is.

Expand on this please. I agree that he came into a horrible situation, but to me by paying a premium for guys like Sutter/Gudbranson/Sbisa/Eriksson combined with the fact that he tried to rebuild while competing, he just made the job harder for himself.

I'm not advocating for a team full of 20 year olds, I just think he could have added veteran depth more efficiently.
- Nucker101

He was brought in to help the team compete. He did that in the first year. Van won the division. Traded a few picks who may have never played in the NHL for players that have turned out to be decent hockey players.

Season 2 they were bad. Tried to sell a few players, didn't happen. Saw that the team had needs to be addressed. Toughness, and some more skill. He did that by making trades and signing FA's. It's kind of how you do it.

Season 3 hasn't turned out to be any better. Didn't turn out any better. Traded away some players for other teams prospects. Van currently has 12 players that are between that 20-27 range that MG had 1!

This team still needs more elite talent kids. They will get that this year and probably next.

Kane trade talks back on the table. Not a good move for Canucks this year . If they have interest wait until he is a UFA next year. Don't give up assets
- VANTEL

I don't foresee us making any big waves for a Kane this season.