I've played with a lot of guys who were excellent skaters and had good hockey IQ's but they just weren't highend offensive guys. They don't always go hand in hand.
- LeftCoaster

Well he is already producing against men and just tore up the U 18's so I don't see a lack of offense in his future. Apparently he is already the best D on his men's team. I agree with your point I just don't think it applies to Heiskanen. Heiskanen and Juolevi on the PP could be sick in the future

Well he is already producing against men and just tore up the U 18's so I don't see a lack of offense in his future. Apparently he is already the best D on his men's team. I agree with your point I just don't think it applies to Heiskanen. Heiskanen and Juolevi on the PP could be sick in the future
- CanuckDon

This is a much more promising report, I could certainly live with a 45 point dman at this point with a projected faster track to the NHL than most.

"In a desperate attempt to list more weaknesses for this player, the only thing I could think of is his offensive upside. He isn’t as dynamic and offensively dangerous as someone like Cale Makar. He won’t be an Erik Karlsson-type offensive player. Think 40 to 50 points max., not 82."

Edit: this guy initially said he doesn't have many weaknesses other than his size.

Well he is already producing against men and just tore up the U 18's so I don't see a lack of offense in his future. Apparently he is already the best D on his men's team. I agree with your point I just don't think it applies to Heiskanen. Heiskanen and Juolevi on the PP could be sick in the future
- CanuckDon

Full Finland defence? I'm not sold on Heiskanen. I would take Makar or Lilly over him.

Yes, I find the idea of trading out of the top 5 insane. The only exception is if another team in the top 10 is desperate to draft a player at 5 you don't want and they will pay a huge premium. An unlikely scenario. Benning should NOT shop the pick
- CanuckDon

Not as insane as it'd seem in other years IMO... The prospect pool's a cluster. There's a legit chance teams could have someone who ends up being available at 5 rated in their top 2, and if the board is falling in a way where it looks like we could trade down, pick up an extra asset, and still get someone we really like, then why not? I want Mittelstadt, but I'd be just as thrilled with Pettersson + an asset.

This is a much more promising report, I could certainly live with a 45 point dman at this point with a projected faster track to the NHL than most.

"In a desperate attempt to list more weaknesses for this player, the only thing I could think of is his offensive upside. He isn’t as dynamic and offensively dangerous as someone like Cale Makar. He won’t be an Erik Karlsson-type offensive player. Think 40 to 50 points max., not 82."

Edit: this guy initially said he doesn't have many weaknesses other than his size.
- LeftCoaster

Having two 40 point D man patrolling the PP would be outstanding. Most teams don't have a Burns or Karlsson and that's ok.

Yup....just thinking I'd like to maximize our picks while still getting a really talented kid (Pettersson). At the end of the day I believe they'll get either Mittelstadt or Glass at #5.

To me Pettersson is as good as Mittelstadt or Glass.
- LeftCoaster

Didn't see this before I posted...

Not as insane as it'd seem in other years IMO... The prospect pool's a cluster. There's a legit chance teams could have someone who ends up being available at 5 rated in their top 2, and if the board is falling in a way where it looks like we could trade down, pick up an extra asset, and still get someone we really like, then why not? I want Mittelstadt, but I'd be just as thrilled with Pettersson + an asset.
- DrChristianTroy

I have seen Middlestadt and Petterson rated in the 10 to 15 range. Lots can change.

Full Finland defence? I'm not sold on Heiskanen. I would take Makar or Lilly over him.
- thundachunk

Heiskanen is a lot safer than either. Makar probably has a higher ceiling but lots of risk

This kid intrigues me as a second round pick, a September 12th baby, probably the youngest kid in the draft.

http://thecanuckway.com/2...e-c-jaret-anderson-dolan/

I don't know, he's not really an offensive stud, he's more like Juolevi, we need a skilled center way more than we need another Juolevi imo.
- LeftCoaster

This draft is weak. If the draft included 17 year olds(eligible in 2018) the only 18 year olds(eligible in 2017) in the top ten would be nico and Patrick... and they'd be 6 to 10 ranked.

If you extend that to the top 60 this year, there would probably only be 10 or so players from this draft that get into the top 60.

If you're going to move picks, this is the year to do it.

It's also why JB got prospects instead of picks at the deadline, he knows this draft is weaker then your wrists.

Heiskanen is a lot safer than either. Makar probably has a higher ceiling but lots of risk
- CanuckDon

I like risk. Success isn't built on doing what is safe.

Just spit-balling with ideas, not set on anything, simply a thought if things play-out like this....

NJ - Hischier
Philly - Patrick
Dallas - Mittelstadt
Avs - Glass

If that happens I think they can get a skilled center (Pettersson) at 7th, for instance, and get another second round pick for it.
- LeftCoaster

I'm not generally into moving out of the 5th but in that scenario I could see moving back a couple of spots. We need to pick an offensive center with that pick. I don't see any certainty in the top D prospects this year. Like you said they are commonly found in the later rounds. Top centers not so much.

I'm not generally into moving out of the 5th but in that scenario I could see moving back a couple of spots. We need to pick an offensive center with that pick. I don't see any certainty in the top D prospects this year. Like you said they are commonly found in the later rounds. Top centers not so much.
- belcherbd

I could see NJ trade out of the #1 spot and take a defence man at 5 or 6 if they get t he right return.

I like risk. Success isn't built on doing what is safe.
- thundachunk

No good story ever start with "I was drinking a coffee when"

I could see NJ trade out of the #1 spot and take a defence man at 5 or 6 if they get t he right return.
- thundachunk

NJ has needed a #1 center for 20 years, I don't see them passing on either of the top two rated prospects.

This kid intrigues me as a second round pick, a September 12th baby, probably the youngest kid in the draft.

http://thecanuckway.com/2...e-c-jaret-anderson-dolan/
- LeftCoaster

he is the youngest kid in the draft and the Canucks will likely select him in the 2nd if he falls. They have scouted him a few times

No good story ever start with "I was drinking a coffee when"
- LeftCoaster

Unless it was full of bailey's at the river.

I like risk. Success isn't built on doing what is safe.
- thundachunk

When it comes to intercourse and orgasms do condoms accelerate or deccelerate success.

Bare with me. ... he he he

Yes you will have more pleasure but higher risk sex without one. But you're going to have mite longevity and success over time with one.

Ipsofacto
Wear a condom, draft safe, don't catch a sti ( substandard terestrial iceskater).


(frank), mothersday sucks for a single dad.......

When it comes to intercourse and orgasms do condoms accelerate or deccelerate success.

Bare with me. ... he he he

Yes you will have more pleasure but higher risk sex without one. But you're going to have mite longevity and success over time with one.

Ipsofacto
Wear a condom, draft safe, don't catch a sti ( substandard terestrial iceskater).


(frank), mothersday sucks for a single dad.......
- Pres.cup

Hahahaha. Its funny how as men we can relate everything to sex.

This draft is weak. If the draft included 17 year olds(eligible in 2018) the only 18 year olds(eligible in 2017) in the top ten would be nico and Patrick... and they'd be 6 to 10 ranked.

If you extend that to the top 60 this year, there would probably only be 10 or so players from this draft that get into the top 60.

If you're going to move picks, this is the year to do it.

It's also why JB got prospects instead of picks at the deadline, he knows this draft is weaker then your wrists.
- Pres.cup

It's not always that simple, this time last year everyone was hyping up liljgren (sp) as potentially the guy to knock Patrick out of first and Nico was not in the conversation for #1. Things change a lot in prospects draft year and even more in their draft +1.

I could see NJ trade out of the #1 spot and take a defence man at 5 or 6 if they get t he right return.
- thundachunk

I think we would have to pay a lot to move up from 5 and can't see it being worth it. Dallas or Colorado moving 3/4 seems more likely as the also might want a crack at the top D. But is it worth moving one spot if you know the other team isn't taking your guy?

Unless it was full of Carolans at the river.
- thundachunk

Fixed

It's not always that simple, this time last year everyone was hyping up liljgren (sp) as potentially the guy to knock Patrick out of first and Nico was not in the conversation for #1. Things change a lot in prospects draft year and even more in their draft +1.
- belcherbd

I still think he is a potential top 3 pick. He is that good imo. He is as Don would say the safer pick imo of him, Makar and Heiseknen. I take the risky pick in Makar but Lijergren could turn out better. Its a tough call. I would love to be the one to make it.

he is the youngest kid in the draft and the Canucks will likely select him in the 2nd if he falls. They have scouted him a few times
- CanuckDon

Reminds me of Jost or Brendan Morrison

This kid intrigues me as a second round pick, a September 12th baby, probably the youngest kid in the draft.

http://thecanuckway.com/2...e-c-jaret-anderson-dolan/
- LeftCoaster

Yep lots of good players there and at 56 and at 64.

I'm really hoping Safin Is available with our 3rd.
http://thecanuckway.com/2...ft-profile-c-ostap-safin/