Looking at a scenario below that's been alluded too but adding more meat to the concept and how it can unfold.

The stars move for trade and signing of Bishop is a win now move. Next they need to improve their D with a trade. The 3OA pick will not help their retool for years. By then the window is closed. So why not trade it for a top pairing D. Are any available? Well Tanev could be. Plus sending out cap dump Lehtonan as well for say Gartieg and perhaps Subban would make it palatable too. Stars get a 3rd goalie insurance to develop plus a prospect who's made for new NHL. He could step in now, as PP specialist, during their window. Tanev as an add is cap friendly for a top pairing D. Then Stars could bid high for UFA Shatenkirk having also shed Lehtonan. Wouldn't all that be worth it for the Stars to trade a 3OA who will take years to be NHL ready? Plus they still have a first rounder to take someone to develop for the next retool.

As for Nucks if they are able to pull this off who do they pick at 3OA? Then 5OA? Guess it depends on what Avs want. We can assume Nico and Nolan will be gone. So at 3OA if Avs want D then take Heiskenan. Leave Avs Makar and Liljegren to ponder. Or have them bite on Vilardi. Then JB can make the 5OA either Glass or Mittlestadt having taken his future top pairing D. If this can be done before the expansion draft. Then Sbisa will be your vet stop gap for future D like OJ, Brisbois and Heiskenan to get integrated. If not, they could integrate one with Pedan if no other cast off UFA D isn't willing to sign here.

It's a win win scenario for both teams. Stars use the retool to push their current offensive stars with added D and tending for Cup in next couple years. Canucks add two core pieces at D & C for rebuild that makes them competative in a couple years.
- Nuck4U

So
Stars gets Tanev, Subban, Garteig

Canucks gets 3OA and Lethonen

Haven't been gifted NHL ready talent yet. Don't forget Demko.
- manvanfan

To me it comes down to what his philosophy is, does he actually have a plan? Personally I have a model in mind that I would've followed when he came onboard, again, providing I had ownership approval. This is a huge caveat, but entertain me.

I'm a build through the middle guy and defense guy, bar none!! That's how to be successful. Personal experience and observation has formed that opinion for me.

In 2014 I would have traded back, at the time I liked the Virtanen pick, but after having put some thought into it, that's what I would have done. There wasn't really any standout centers to be had so I probably would've traded back to and started to build the defense.

That year I like Sanheim, so did Vantel, so he's not all that bad lol, I also like Kempe and Demko. From there I would have started my path towards drafting centers and dmen until I got it right.

So
Stars gets Tanev, Subban, Garteig

Canucks gets 3OA and Lethonen
- manvanfan

Yes with the explanation above of what that can mean and do for both teams. At least to make sense of why it can work and be of benefit.

The thing for the Stars is that there are not any teams who have an established vet top paring D available right now. They also want Shatenkirk like many teams do. But can't afford him or attrack him, without shedding big salary now, and having a D like Tanev to play with for success. Shat will want to choose a team that pays him and he can win now with. So Stars can make that happen with those moves. It's worth giving up 3OA in this draft of no guarantees or close to ready NHL prospects.

For Canucks no need to explain, right

- Nucker101

Right on kid

Don must not be aware of cap space deals
- Nucker101

You seem to confuse our owner with Rogers? We aren't using our cap space to take on bad contracts. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

Anyways, rehashing the Erickson signing is incredibly boring. We have a meddling owner but he has backed off substantially. Good for him to realize he has (frank)ed up. He is still greasy and shady though enough whining about the same old bs for me for one day. Enjoy the game fellas

Yes with the explanation above of what that can mean and do for both teams. At least to make sense of why it can work and be of benefit.

The thing for the Stars is that there are not any teams who have an established vet top paring D available right now. They also want Shatenkirk like many teams do. But can't afford him or attrack him, without shedding big salary now, and having a D like Tanev to play with for success. Shat will want to choose a team that pays him and he can win now with. So Stars can make that happen with those moves. It's worth giving up 3OA in this draft of no guarantees or close to ready NHL prospects.

For Canucks no need to explain, right
- Nuck4U

I like the trade.

I like the trade.
- manvanfan

I read this morning Shattenkirk is from New York State, he'd like to remain in the North East, so I doubt he signs in Dallas.

To me it comes down to what his philosophy is, does he actually have a plan? Personally I have a model in mind that I would've followed when he came onboard, again, providing I had ownership approval. This is a huge caveat, but entertain me.

I'm a build through the middle guy and defense guy, bar none!! That's how to be successful. Personal experience and observation has formed that opinion for me.

In 2014 I would have traded back, at the time I liked the Virtanen pick, but after having put some thought into it, that's what I would have done. There wasn't really any standout centers to be had so I probably would've traded back to and started to build the defense.

That year I like Sanheim, so did Vantel, so he's not all that bad lol, I also like Kempe and Demko. From there I would have started my path towards drafting centers and dmen until I got it right.
- LeftCoaster

I'm a build from the back out guy. Goalie-Defence-defensive center

In 2014 you would have traded back. I understand personal preference for you but well I just went and unfortunately I couldn't really find it so I looked on hockeydb.com at all of the trades within the top 10 since 2010. Last time they have the trade feature at the bottom.

Anyways no one has traded picks 1 through 7 since 2010. 8 was traded in the Jordan Staal trade. 9 traded for Cory Schneider. So what I'm saying is that trading down in the top 10 is something teams don't do! Call it whatever you want "trendsetter" "innovator". It's just something that hasn't been done in the new NHL.

I read this morning Shattenkirk is from New York State, he'd like to remain in the North East, so I doubt he signs in Dallas.
- LeftCoaster

That's Dallas's problem not ours.


EDIT:

Mike Heika: Think it’s possible that the Stars would be interested in defenseman Karl Alzner if he hits the open market.

You seem to confuse our owner with Rogers? We aren't using our cap space to take on bad contracts. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
- CanuckDon

They did for free with Eriksson and Sbisa so why not? 10mil almost there

They did for free with Eriksson and Sbisa so why not? 10mil almost there
- Nucker101

I read this morning Shattenkirk is from New York State, he'd like to remain in the North East, so I doubt he signs in Dallas.
- LeftCoaster

He would have signed with the Blues if they had the cap space. Do you see anyone in NE that can make a Cup run and has the cap space to pay him big $? Rangers can't. Caps can't. Devils suck. Isles a big question mark and far from ready. You can include Boston and Philly there if they were interested too. So NE teams don't seem to be viable options.

If Stars make the moves I suggested then they could sign him. I don't see him saying no to Stars given all that. Not like it's a backwater for him.

He would have signed with the Blues if they had the cap space. Do you see anyone in NE that can make a Cup run and has the cap space to pay him big $? Rangers can't. Caps can't. Devils suck. Isles a big question mark and far from ready. You can include Boston and Philly there if they were interested too. So NE teams don't seem to be viable options.

If Stars make the moves I suggested then they could sign him. I don't see him saying no to Stars given all that. Not like it's a backwater for him.
- Nuck4U

Just telling him what I read....I don't propose to know what's most important to Mr. Shattenkirk.

Just telling him what I read....I don't propose to know what's most important to Mr. Shattenkirk.
- LeftCoaster

That's fair. What do you think of the trade scenario? Does it work for you?

Just telling him what I read....I don't propose to know what's most important to Mr. Shattenkirk.
- LeftCoaster

Money and somewhere that will let him play first pairing is what I hear. Having Lindell and Klingberg, Honka. I don't think Dallas needs anymore offence. They need someone who defends.

I like the trade.
- manvanfan

Hope JB does too. Let go of a prized player for the future you know.

Also, what do you think of subsequent draft scenario post trade?!?

Mittelstadt if we want a very skilled playmaker.
Glass if we want a more developed all around game.
My prediction is both will lan out as top 2 C's but Casey has more potential.
A C like Pettersen also is a possible offensive stud in the coming years.
BPA now is not BPA in a few years more often than not excluding generational players. Safe picks r just that but i like foresight & projecting down the road what an 18yr old is more likely to be. That is most difficukt if course but every draft is rife with players picked further down who end up being better than the so-called BPA at Entry draft time. Hitting a home run is key & its anyone's guess who that is.
- Nighthawk

Getting on base is more important. Just don't strike out or pop up

Just finished reading through. You guys are a bunch of whiny b!tches on this fine Saturday. Smoke one, down a beer, take a salt tablet n chill.

Money and somewhere that will let him play first pairing is what I hear. Having Lindell and Klingberg, Honka. I don't think Dallas needs anymore offence. They need someone who defends.
- manvanfan

That's fine too. I thought Shat fit the new D model for them with a guy like Tanev. But that Defensice minded balance works too then going for Tanev. Then Alzner for the mix you are looking for above.

As long as that means shedding cap with Lehtonen and 3OA for prized Tanner and co is a win win for both teams.

Hope JB does too. Let go of a prized player for the future you know.

Also, what do you think of subsequent draft scenario post trade?!?
- Nuck4U

I'm a right left D pairing guy. According to a guy I met the other day who plays D ECHL/AHL last season. He said the left right D pairing is much more preferred if possible by teams.

I like Heiskanen. I also think that OJ will be good enough to be a top pairing. I also see Brisebois to be able to be a top 4. So my lefts are taken care of. Gudbranson second pairing. Tanev is going to be traded. So Makar or Liljegren fill my own needs more then Heiskanen.

This was the mistake, a team that is slow, lacks skill/size shouldn't be trying to sign an expensive 31 year old UFA to a 6 year deal, they should be looking for a youth movement and trying to give the team as much financial/roster flexibility as realistically possible in the future.

The problem with his "age gap" theory/execution is that it made more sense to trade vets for to fill that gap, not picks/prospects, because all he did was weaken his next age gap by doing that.
- Nucker101

Toronto and Emonton both took on brutal contracts also during the 10 years. Not everything works the first time you try

I'm a right left D pairing guy. According to a guy I met the other day who plays D ECHL/AHL last season. He said the left right D pairing is much more preferred if possible by teams.

I like Heiskanen. I also think that OJ will be good enough to be a top pairing. I also see Brisebois to be able to be a top 4. So my lefts are taken care of. Gudbranson second pairing. Tanev is going to be traded. So Makar or Liljegren fill my own needs more then Heiskanen.
- manvanfan

I'm neutral to it. But going with your preference then with Canuck & Stars trade scenario you would have Nucks take C first at 3OA. Allowing Avs to go for supposed BPA D Heiskanen. Then grab Makar at 5OA. I would say gamble on him then Liljegren who's not showing the right hockey IQ.

Or are you saying forget C and take both D at 3OA and 5OA?

Who hammer and Vrbata. Well only Dallas wanted hammer and they choose someone else. Vrbata handcuffed him with a NTC.

You don't just sell everyone at every deadline because you suck.
- manvanfan

Waited too late . He should have traded Vrbata after his 30 goal year and was taken off Sedin line .

Waited too late . He should have traded Vrbata after his 30 goal year and was taken off Sedin line .
- VANTEL

A year to late for Hanhuis too.