I hope this is a joke.

No way would a UFA in 19 go for an RFA right now for LA
- KINGS67

I was hoping there were fair weather fans and I could slip it by. Oh well. Worth the try.

- homiedclown

I was hoping there were fair weather fans and I could slip it by. Oh well. Worth the try.
- Wetbandit1

I am curious to what the asking price is though

I am curious to what the asking price is though
- KINGS67

For Kane?

I have no idea. Probably a top 4 D.

I really don't understand why they'd want to move him to be honest, unless he said he wasn't going to re-sign here. He scores 5v5 something that really no one else on the team does, he had 25 5v5 goals, Eichel had 14, and a 4 guys at 11 and 12. That would be a huge hole to fill, even if Eichel steps up and scores more at 5v5 over a full season.

Hopefully it was coaching as to why the team was so terrible 5v5 yet absolutely lethal on the PP.

I am curious to what the asking price is though
- KINGS67

Muzzin?

- smellmyfinger

-clown lives matter

For Kane?

I have no idea. Probably a top 4 D.

I really don't understand why they'd want to move him to be honest, unless he said he wasn't going to re-sign here. He scores 5v5 something that really no one else on the team does, he had 25 5v5 goals, Eichel had 14, and a 4 guys at 11 and 12. That would be a huge hole to fill, even if Eichel steps up and scores more at 5v5 over a full season.

Hopefully it was coaching as to why the team was so terrible 5v5 yet absolutely lethal on the PP.
- Wetbandit1

The reason they are looking at trading him is the same reason no team is offering a top4 defensemen for him.

Claiming that they need defense is only partially true. The other part is that he has 1 year left until UFA, has been injury prone throughout his career, when not injured he has been inconsistent, and has had off ice issue both in the locker room and away from the team.

Being that he is in what should be the prime of his career, I would guess that he is looking for a long term contract. I would be hesitant to give a guy like this a long term deal.

I know some fans claim he has cleaned up his act, but it hasn't even been a year since his last problems. I can't see teams lining up to give up good assets for a player that even if he produces, the team might still not want to sign him long term.

OMG! SOMEONE WHO DOSN'T GET RILED BY THE STICK POKIN' FROM THE WRITERS TO THE AUDIENCE.

DUMBASSES ARE THOSE THAT PUT LITTLE VALUE ON KANE AS A HOCKEY PLAYER.

And to those idiots who point out he's scored 30 only once in his career to diminish his value, have you ever scored a goal in the NHL? Scoring goals has gotten tough. Back in the day 50 goal scorers were more prevolent. 10 - 20 goal scorers were bottom to middle of the bucket players. Today 10-20 goal scorers every other season are treated as highly skilled players. Bull.

Last season he was out a good number of games due to injuries and almost scored 30 again. YOU DON'T GIVE THAT UP UNLESS YOU GET EQUAL OR BETTER VALUE. What armchair g.m. bloggers think is different than the people actually in those positions think.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand and realize that Joe working at the mobile station, Sue the pharmasist or Ed the doctor have no experience in the NHL running a team and thus makes their view and points poo poo.

Remember where you are NHL fans, your on a blog site who's staff tell you I heard it from a friend who's brother was sitting in the stall next to the team g.m. and I heard himsay this, so it must be true.

The reason they are looking at trading him is the same reason no team is offering a top4 defensemen for him.

Claiming that they need defense is only partially true. The other part is that he has 1 year left until UFA, has been injury prone throughout his career, when not injured he has been inconsistent, and has had off ice issue both in the locker room and away from the team.

Being that he is in what should be the prime of his career, I would guess that he is looking for a long term contract. I would be hesitant to give a guy like this a long term deal.

I know some fans claim he has cleaned up his act, but it hasn't even been a year since his last problems. I can't see teams lining up to give up good assets for a player that even if he produces, the team might still not want to sign him long term.
- VT001

I can see a decent value, 1 or 2 yr "show me how you can behave" bridge deal being acceptable.

I can see a decent value, 1 or 2 yr "show me how you can behave" bridge deal being acceptable.
- MLew65

Unless Botterill says, "ok go ahead, seek a trade and contract." and he comes back empty handed he's not taking a 1 or 2 year deal. Someone will do something stupid and give him 6 years for $6M+. Milan Lucic got a stupid contract this year, and he's got off ice stuff too.

OMG! SOMEONE WHO DOSN'T GET RILED BY THE STICK POKIN' FROM THE WRITERS TO THE AUDIENCE.

DUMBASSES ARE THOSE THAT PUT LITTLE VALUE ON KANE AS A HOCKEY PLAYER.

And to those idiots who point out he's scored 30 only once in his career to diminish his value, have you ever scored a goal in the NHL? Scoring goals has gotten tough. Back in the day 50 goal scorers were more prevolent. 10 - 20 goal scorers were bottom to middle of the bucket players. Today 10-20 goal scorers every other season are treated as highly skilled players. Bull.

Last season he was out a good number of games due to injuries and almost scored 30 again. YOU DON'T GIVE THAT UP UNLESS YOU GET EQUAL OR BETTER VALUE. What armchair g.m. bloggers think is different than the people actually in those positions think.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand and realize that Joe working at the mobile station, Sue the pharmasist or Ed the doctor have no experience in the NHL running a team and thus makes their view and points poo poo.

Remember where you are NHL fans, your on a blog site who's staff tell you I heard it from a friend who's brother was sitting in the stall next to the team g.m. and I heard himsay this, so it must be true.
- MLew65

Damn, I just got dumber from reading this.

And you don't get "equal or better" when the player in question has multiple off-ice disciplinary issues. You get "equal at best", but more likely much less.

Also, "DUMBASSES ARE THOSE WHO THINK THAT KANE'S DRAFT POSITION COVERS THE FACT THAT HE'S BEEN PRODUCING POINTS LIKE A MIDDLE SIX WINGER WHO IS POOR DEFENSIVELY".

OMG! SOMEONE WHO DOSN'T GET RILED BY THE STICK POKIN' FROM THE WRITERS TO THE AUDIENCE.

DUMBASSES ARE THOSE THAT PUT LITTLE VALUE ON KANE AS A HOCKEY PLAYER.

And to those idiots who point out he's scored 30 only once in his career to diminish his value, have you ever scored a goal in the NHL? Scoring goals has gotten tough. Back in the day 50 goal scorers were more prevolent. 10 - 20 goal scorers were bottom to middle of the bucket players. Today 10-20 goal scorers every other season are treated as highly skilled players. Bull.

Last season he was out a good number of games due to injuries and almost scored 30 again. YOU DON'T GIVE THAT UP UNLESS YOU GET EQUAL OR BETTER VALUE. What armchair g.m. bloggers think is different than the people actually in those positions think.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand and realize that Joe working at the mobile station, Sue the pharmasist or Ed the doctor have no experience in the NHL running a team and thus makes their view and points poo poo.

Remember where you are NHL fans, your on a blog site who's staff tell you I heard it from a friend who's brother was sitting in the stall next to the team g.m. and I heard himsay this, so it must be true.
- MLew65

WTF?

Are you OK?

Damn, I just got dumber from reading this.

And you don't get "equal or better" when the player in question has multiple off-ice disciplinary issues. You get "equal at best", but more likely much less.

Also, "DUMBASSES ARE THOSE WHO THINK THAT KANE'S DRAFT POSITION COVERS THE FACT THAT HE'S BEEN PRODUCING POINTS LIKE A MIDDLE SIX WINGER WHO IS POOR DEFENSIVELY".
- lumlums

I stopped at "have you ever scored a goal in the NHL?" No further reading required as it started in capitals & went down hill from there.

OMG! SOMEONE WHO DOSN'T GET RILED BY THE STICK POKIN' FROM THE WRITERS TO THE AUDIENCE.

DUMBASSES ARE THOSE THAT PUT LITTLE VALUE ON KANE AS A HOCKEY PLAYER.

And to those idiots who point out he's scored 30 only once in his career to diminish his value, have you ever scored a goal in the NHL? Scoring goals has gotten tough. Back in the day 50 goal scorers were more prevolent. 10 - 20 goal scorers were bottom to middle of the bucket players. Today 10-20 goal scorers every other season are treated as highly skilled players. Bull.

Last season he was out a good number of games due to injuries and almost scored 30 again. YOU DON'T GIVE THAT UP UNLESS YOU GET EQUAL OR BETTER VALUE. What armchair g.m. bloggers think is different than the people actually in those positions think.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand and realize that Joe working at the mobile station, Sue the pharmasist or Ed the doctor have no experience in the NHL running a team and thus makes their view and points poo poo.

Remember where you are NHL fans, your on a blog site who's staff tell you I heard it from a friend who's brother was sitting in the stall next to the team g.m. and I heard himsay this, so it must be true.
- MLew65

Your pic says it all. Nuff said.

sabres


come on your better than that you freaking nuck
- homiedclown

Fast flying fingers I guess. Hope my daughter doesn't see that, as her name is Sabre!

Damn, I just got dumber from reading this.

And you don't get "equal or better" when the player in question has multiple off-ice disciplinary issues. You get "equal at best", but more likely much less.

Also, "DUMBASSES ARE THOSE WHO THINK THAT KANE'S DRAFT POSITION COVERS THE FACT THAT HE'S BEEN PRODUCING POINTS LIKE A MIDDLE SIX WINGER WHO IS POOR DEFENSIVELY".
- lumlums

Kane is being undervalued.

I stopped at "have you ever scored a goal in the NHL?" No further reading required as it started in capitals & went down hill from there.
- Aussiepenguin

I highly doubt that...he's seen more wiener than a bar-b-q and you're as ugly as (frank).
- annoyed

I've been to Vancouver, the Geico caveman looks like Fabio compared to all of yaz.

Damn, I just got dumber from reading this.

And you don't get "equal or better" when the player in question has multiple off-ice disciplinary issues. You get "equal at best", but more likely much less.

Also, "DUMBASSES ARE THOSE WHO THINK THAT KANE'S DRAFT POSITION COVERS THE FACT THAT HE'S BEEN PRODUCING POINTS LIKE A MIDDLE SIX WINGER WHO IS POOR DEFENSIVELY".
- lumlums

WTF is a middle six winger? Is that the same as top 6 player? Yes defensively he's not good but he was brought here to score and that he does well.

Kane is being undervalued.
- MLew65

No, he's not - particularly when you factor in his contract. If you look at this past season for folks with similar PPG (Kane was 0.61 PPG) and contract status (i.e. first contract after ELC) you come up with comparables such as Silfverberg ($3.25m), E. Lindholm ($2.7m), Hayes ($2.6m), Lee ($3.75m) - and these are all folks who out-paced him. There are also plenty of rookies out there who out-performed him or came close, and are only going to get better, pushing him further down the relative rankings.

Kane was 128th overall in PPG (117th for forwards) - that doesn't sound like a top line player to me. Now you can pay someone like him as a first liner and play him as a first liner, but that does not lead to sustained success - and yes, that is speaking from the experience of the past decade with my own team.

For Kane?

I have no idea. Probably a top 4 D.

I really don't understand why they'd want to move him to be honest, unless he said he wasn't going to re-sign here. He scores 5v5 something that really no one else on the team does, he had 25 5v5 goals, Eichel had 14, and a 4 guys at 11 and 12. That would be a huge hole to fill, even if Eichel steps up and scores more at 5v5 over a full season.

Hopefully it was coaching as to why the team was so terrible 5v5 yet absolutely lethal on the PP.
- Wetbandit1

Ty wet, you do understand his value. 5v5 was impacted by injuries to the team. I think if Kane played a full season he would've score 32.

WTF is a middle six winger? Is that the same as top 6 player? Yes defensively he's not good but he was brought here to score and that he does well.
- MLew65

On most teams, the second line produces more similarly to the third line than it does the first; as such, many folks are describing teams in terms of top line, middle six, bottom line - particularly since the concept of "Top six scorers, bottom six grinders" is going the way of the dodo.

And unless your team is blessed with exceptional depth that folks are playing a lower role than capable of (and results would suggest not in this case), you shouldn't be paying those middle six guys north of $5m per year, particularly when you factor in that he is both poor defensively and has well-documented attitude problems

gergswillinme stop jackin to my picture and get yourself a pet and a jar of peanut butter.
- MLew65

You're so ugly your mom used to plant your face in dough and make gorilla cookies.

Ty wet, you do understand his value. 5v5 was impacted by injuries to the team. I think if Kane played a full season he would've score 32.
- MLew65

His G/60 5v5 last year was 1.33 and P/60 was 1.85. If you look at his cumulative values since he scored 30 in 2012, his G/60 is 1.04 and P/60 is 1.53. The fact that he is outpacing these rates suggest that there is no weight to the argument that his relatively mediocre points return is due to injuries affecting his 5v5 play.

Saber fans keep saying they need to improve the D. They want to trade Kane. Well Nucks have Sbisa he's ripe for that and Subban for their PP. As Kane will probably leave as a UFA better to do that now then lose for nothing. A TDL deal won't happen given his cap hit for a contender so keep dreaming. Not many teams will give up core assets to get him at his cap hit and one year away from UFA.
- Nuck4U

we won't burden you and Canucks with our problems